Devils 2021-22 team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part XII

[PizzaAndPucks]

These owners no nothing about Hockey or Hockey Players or running a hockey team.
They are business men who know how to save a buck for example hiring Lindy Ruff as head coach when there was so many better options.

Oh shut up. Our owners are fine. No one has any info for sure on who we interviewed or had interest in. Remember we tried to bring in the Swedish head coach from the Swiss league the season before but he turned us down to honor his club's contract.

 

[MadDevil]

These owners no nothing about Hockey or Hockey Players or running a hockey team.
They are business men who know how to save a buck for example hiring Lindy Ruff as head coach when there was so many better options.

I wasn't a fan of the Ruff hiring, but it's not as simple as "throw money at the best coach available and he'll always sign" either. I can't imagine we were very high on many coaches lists, so who knows if we even could have hired one of the "so many better options" that were supposedly available.

Also, if the owners were cheap I'm pretty sure Dougie Hamilton would not be a Devil.

 

[McDuffz88]

He is leafs fan boy writer.
Niemela is a good prospect, but if Leafs want to have cheap RHD who can play 23 min in all situations, they will pay. Amirov is ok, but I don’t think that’s enough.
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For all of guys who want Severson to stay
I have mantra for you.

Before season there were 124 players in the league with 6+ mil salary. It’s a 4 players per team.
If Devils want to manage team normally they MUST trade Severson. Because he is not our top-4 overall player. Nico, Jack, Dougie now have their 6+ and Bratt will be our fourth player .

I think Severson has his own prons and cons, he is ok when he play with Jonas, but he makes his mistakes, his offensive job must be taken by Hamilton and Luke in the future.

This is a time, when Devils must start to decide, who will be a part of the team and have their big checks, and who will be replaced by cheaper versions. If devils wants to be a team with good deep of roster, they must safe money and find another option - give Bahl or Okhotiuk opportunity to play on the right side, find cheaper defensive minded player on the market, make a trade.
Devils will need to sign Graves, Mercer after a year, maybe find another goalie, Siegenthaler will have more money, Sharangovich has some potential to have more than he has now, and Fitz must think about to find scoring power winger for top six and even think about third center.

There were no room for Severson new deal, only if he will make big discount. If only we want to manage team smartly.

Fully agreed on everything. Looking at it from a team building perspective, unless he's willing to take a hometown discount (he won't) he is by far the best piece we have to trade. People on this thread wan't to acquire new talent. This is how you do it.

 

[Andre Palot]

We could go the route of taking on a bad contract, getting a sweetener and not give up anything of significant value.

This would make me point to someone like Patric Hornqvist, who, while still might not be the player he used to be can be valuable player for our bottom six. Not only that, if proven to be effective, Hornquvist can give us the front net results that this team has been looking for in quite some time. For an extra 2022 first? I think it's something to consider. A move like this worked for Carolina in the Marleau deal.

But then we could go a completely other route - if trading Damon, I honestly thing the Canucks make the best fit in regards to trading partners because we can put a competitive package for some combination of Boeser, Miller and Halak.

JT Miller is a force on the power play, which we need. However, I'm not sure Vancouver could be that open to trading him in comparison to Boeser. With Boeser and Halek we get short term goaltending stability and a top flight winger for Jack & Nico.

 

[Guttersniped]

We could go the route of taking on a bad contract, getting a sweetener and not give up anything of significant value.

This would make me point to someone like Patric Hornqvist, who, while still might not be the player he used to be can be valuable player for our bottom six. Not only that, if proven to be effective, Hornquvist can give us the front net results that this team has been looking for in quite some time. For an extra 2022 first? I think it's something to consider. A move like this worked for Carolina in the Marleau deal.

But then we could go a completely other route - if trading Damon, I honestly thing the Canucks make the best fit in regards to trading partners because we can put a competitive package for some combination of Boeser, Miller and Halak.

JT Miller is a force on the power play, which we need. However, I'm not sure Vancouver could be that open to trading him in comparison to Boeser. With Boeser and Halek we get short term goaltending stability and a top flight winger for Jack & Nico.

Florida loves Horny and I doubt they see him as that much of a cap dump. Not sure what they will do capwise but Zito is a smart guy and so I doubt we would get a 1st for taking him.

 

[NJDevs26]

One player’s negotiations have absolutely nothing to do with another’s.

Of course they do...players' agents compare them with other players on the same team, and similar players at the same position around the league all the time. You don't think the first part of Bratt's next negotiation will be his agent saying Jack and Nico got this before they proved anything now give my client his after he did?

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Of course they do...players' agents compare them with other players on the same team, and similar players at the same position around the league all the time. You don't think the first part of Bratt's next negotiation will be his agent saying Jack and Nico got this before they proved anything now give my client his after he did?

Bratt’s negotiations will have nothing to do with Jack or Nico’s. Different positions, different age, different production.

Obviously an agent will try to get his client at least as much as what other similar players around the league get. But it’s just a made narrative to suggest Severson’s negotiations will effect Graves’, or Jack’s negotiations will impact Bratt’s. Doesn’t make sense.

 

[Buck Dancer]

You did not understand my point even a little bit. My point in bringing up Hall is that while he had 0 success in Edmonton, the claim from Shero was that in April 2017 he was unhappy in New Jersey and wanted to be back in Edmonton, even though he didn't win squat there - he was traded just as it looked like the team was getting good. The Devils are getting better, Hughes is looking like the star he was drafted to be, everything other than the goaltending is coming around in the last month.

This is extremely condescending and almost none of what I've said sounds like a fan's assessment of Severson. Severson is a very odd player who has offensive ability but cannot play PP1, has defensive ability but isn't an ace penalty killer, and while he seems all around good he's yet to have the kind of season where his results on the ice match that - he's yet to have a 5v5 breakeven season. I don't really know his value around the league and I think some teams who think more traditionally would not be paying a lot for Severson because he has 4 career playoff games and he's 27.

I don't know how you can say that we were heading in the right direction when we made the playoffs by the skin of our teeth, Hall had to play on "god mode" to even get us there and a career backup had to play lights out down the stretch to make it happen. As for the Oilers, they had 2 of the most exciting players in the game and having to play with one of them, on a team and city he grew up in, is by no means a sign of anything other then him trying to land in the best possible place for him in terms of his professional life and his personal life. Damon Severson might be loyal to this franchise, for whatever reason, but it sure in hell isn't the best spot for him as an athlete because he can pick and choose his destination and we as a team haven't proved that we can do no best then pick in the top #10 since he's been here. We are getting better, instead of being a laughing stock, we're now mediocre. Hughes is looking good and that's what everyone has been waiting to see from him since day #1, now I'd hold back on the "star" tag for now but he is making major strides. Bratt is looking like a legit top #6 winger and that's also great but everyone else up front are either stagnating or regressed. Our goaltending, despite not being good at all is mostly pinned on the over use of Mackenzie Blackwood and the lack of a healthy and decent backup. I also think we are trending in the right direction but we have a looooooong way to go before we start being relevant. Our future will be decided in the upcoming years because Fitz has to make moves to surround our talent and waiting for everyone to bloom at the same time is wishful thinking and hoping we pick the prospect that will turn this ship around isn't the route to success IMO.

What I would like to know is if you consider Damon Severson to be a very odd player because he has offfensive abilities but can't run a PP, has defensive abilities but isn't an ace penalty killer and while he seems all around good he's yet to have the kind of season where his results on the ice match that yet to have a 5V5 breakeven season... why in the world would you want to give that same guy, who you described very well, a long term deal over 6M$ per season? In all honesty, that's probably the worst pitch I've ever heard when trying to defend or counter a point as to why we need to keep a certain player. You basically made my point in one single sentence and I thank you for that.

 

[JrFischer54]

how is muk so far off and schinder just played for the rangers and scored the other night?

 

[Buck Dancer]

Bratt’s negotiations will have nothing to do with Jack or Nico’s. Different positions, different age, different production.

Obviously an agent will try to get his client at least as much as what other similar players around the league get. But it’s just a made narrative to suggest Severson’s negotiations will effect Graves’, or Jack’s negotiations will impact Bratt’s. Doesn’t make sense.

This is straight up wrong. Agents do that all the time, especially when you're comparing players on the same roster. Heck, I'm sure you'd do it yourself if some bum would be making more money then you at your own job and it's perfectly fair because you want yours and Bratt, Graves, Siegenthaler, etc will wants theirs.

It's not coincidence that noboby on the Bruins team is making more then their captain. Deals like the one that Jack got sets the salary chart for the rest of the guys on the team, it's just the way it is. I can see the Rantanen argument a mile away and that's an exception because everyone who follows this game knows that MacKinnon was massively underpaid and will hit the jackpot when his time will come.

 

[glenwo2]

how is muk so far off and schinder just played for the rangers and scored the other night?

Because that's how the Devils roll : Taking their time with their prospects while the Rags rush their own.

(that's probably not true but I don't care 'cause it sounded good to me when I said it. )

 

[Better Call Sal]

how is muk so far off and schinder just played for the rangers and scored the other night?

Not all players develop the same. Mukhamadullin is likely to have an adjustment period potentially to North American sized rinks from the KHL as well. No one knows anything for certain.

 

[AfroThunder396]

I have a lot of issues with ownership. None of them have anything to do with how much money Lindy Ruff is making.

 

[Buck Dancer]

how is muk so far off and schinder just played for the rangers and scored the other night?

One would think that his deal in the KHL is probably a big reason why he hasn't come over to NA.

 

[Better Call Sal]

One would think that his deal in the KHL is probably a big reason why he hasn't come over to NA.

Devils Sign Mukhamadullin | RELEASE

We signed him to his ELC just last month with him being loaned to his current team for the rest of the season.

Don't think it necessarily means he's a guarantee to come over after this season ends, but I'm not familiar with how that sort of thing works between the two leagues. Seems to be a case by case basis.

 

[Ripshot 43]

Devils Sign Mukhamadullin | RELEASE

We signed him to his ELC just last month with him being loaned to his current team for the rest of the season.

Don't think it necessarily means he's a guarantee to come over after this season ends, but I'm not familiar with how that sort of thing works between the two leagues. Seems to be a case by case basis.

Upon his signing, I remember there being something said that made it seem as if he would not only stay the remainder of this season but next season as well.

 

[Triumph]

Devils Sign Mukhamadullin | RELEASE

We signed him to his ELC just last month with him being loaned to his current team for the rest of the season.

Don't think it necessarily means he's a guarantee to come over after this season ends, but I'm not familiar with how that sort of thing works between the two leagues. Seems to be a case by case basis.

They already said he's not coming over next year either, although he could play in the AHL this season when his KHL season ends.

 

[njdevils1982]

Damn...Just checked the schedule.

Not playing until Thursday?

Oh well...at least it's against the Coyotes.

 

[Better Call Sal]

They already said he's not coming over next year either, although he could play in the AHL this season when his KHL season ends.

Upon his signing, I remember there being something said that made it seem as if he would not only stay the remainder of this season but next season as well.

That's what I thought I recalled reading when he signed, but couldn't find a link with anything from Fitz. Cheers.

 

[Ripshot 43]

That's what I thought I recalled reading when he signed, but couldn't find a link with anything from Fitz. Cheers.

That means a good possibility we get Shak and Luke at development camp the same year. Should be exciting just for those 2.

 

[Buck Dancer]

How many games does he have left and is his team making the playoffs? Just want to know when we could expect him to come over to NA. Does he speak the English language?

 

[Better Call Sal]

How many games does he have left and is his team making the playoffs? Just want to know when we could expect him to come over to NA. Does he speak the English language?

https://www.eliteprospects.com/league/khl

Don't know about number of games but appears they're first in their division here.

 

[Zippy316]

That means a good possibility we get Shak and Luke at development camp the same year. Should be exciting just for those 2.

Good chance they both also end up joining the team when their respective seasons end too. We may have both Luke and Shakir potentially in the running for a roster spot at the end of the 2022-23 season.

I do wonder if this (mainly Luke’s timeline) will leave Severson as the odd man out next off-season. You already have Dougie as your top offensive option. Graves/Siegs could be re-signed as your sturdy defensive guys and then you slide Hughes in next to one of them. The biggest obstacle is probably the cap though because Severson can probably get at least 6 million+ AAV elsewhere.

 

[JrFischer54]

i loved the pick at the time and still do to an extent if the kid can put it all together with his size he can be something special. that being said though the devils really should've thought about their timeline with his timeline and learning curve. if your telling me hes x amount of time away and we are what already a two years away from the draft thats a lot of learning curve for him to catch up on. the longer he is away from north american ice and play the more imo the longer shot of him actually being a useful player.

 

[Triumph]

I don't know how you can say that we were heading in the right direction when we made the playoffs by the skin of our teeth, Hall had to play on "god mode" to even get us there and a career backup had to play lights out down the stretch to make it happen.

I have no idea what you are talking about. If you think Severson will make any decision based on the 2017-18 season, I don't know what to tell you. This is the best I can do at interpreting what this means based on what I said.

As for the Oilers, they had 2 of the most exciting players in the game and having to play with one of them, on a team and city he grew up in, is by no means a sign of anything other then him trying to land in the best possible place for him in terms of his professional life and his personal life.

Taylor Hall did not grow up in Edmonton. He grew up in Calgary and moved to the Toronto suburbs for junior hockey.

Damon Severson might be loyal to this franchise, for whatever reason, but it sure in hell isn't the best spot for him as an athlete because he can pick and choose his destination and we as a team haven't proved that we can do no best then pick in the top #10 since he's been here. We are getting better, instead of being a laughing stock, we're now mediocre. Hughes is looking good and that's what everyone has been waiting to see from him since day #1, now I'd hold back on the "star" tag for now but he is making major strides. Bratt is looking like a legit top #6 winger and that's also great but everyone else up front are either stagnating or regressed.

Lol sure, Nico and Mercer are just stagnating. Sensible take. Also loving watching Bastian stagnate on PP1.

What I would like to know is if you consider Damon Severson to be a very odd player because he has offfensive abilities but can't run a PP, has defensive abilities but isn't an ace penalty killer and while he seems all around good he's yet to have the kind of season where his results on the ice match that yet to have a 5V5 breakeven season... why in the world would you want to give that same guy, who you described very well, a long term deal over 6M$ per season? In all honesty, that's probably the worst pitch I've ever heard when trying to defend or counter a point as to why we need to keep a certain player. You basically made my point in one single sentence and I thank you for that.

I'm not sure I want to give Severson that kind of deal but you can do a whole lot worse with RHD and the market for them is weirdly stagnant. The thing is that the Devils already have Hamilton for PP1 so they are set up to maximize the value of Severson by not letting him on to PP1. My point is that the Devils should wait with Severson, they have plenty of time. He is not such a valuable player that they cannot afford to let him walk if that's the optimal course up until that point. I do not think many teams will be beating down the doors for him.