Devils 2021-22 offseason team discussion (news, notes and speculation) - part II

[New Jersey Devils]

Something fishy is going on behind the scenes.

 

[TrufleShufle]

See it really isn't...
Lou said We need to get tougher and add some scoring when he took over as President...Korn, Maley, Sunderstrom, McPhee...Boom done. Playoffs first time ever.

The issue here is you need to know what you want to build and you need know what you need...Collecting random players from the draft or trades doesn't achieve anything. No vision mean spinning in circles. And too many GM's just try to collect the best pieces available like this was some sort of fantasy keeper league.

So I was close....

I defend you as much as I disagree with you, but this trend of crapping on everything non-stop (whether warranted or not,) only to go silent or deflect as soon as someone tries to have a productive conversation about anything you would like to see done, past, present or future is getting old.

 

[Devils731]

When you publicly look for another job when employed, there is going to be trouble.

But seriously, I do think sports psychology is helpful so hopefully the Devils announce someone new to fill that or a similar role.

 

[ScottyK]

Something fishy is going on behind the scenes.

Probably just Fitzgerald getting more of "his" people in place and removing some of the people left from the Shero regime

 

[Bleedred]

I’d love to see us make a big steal Taylor Hall type of trade, but I don’t expect it to be that cheap or that type of a steal.

 

[Unknown Caller]

Something fishy is going on behind the scenes.

Why?

 

[JimEIV]

So I was close....

I defend you as much as I disagree with you, but this trend of crapping on everything non-stop (whether warranted or not,) only to go silent or deflect as soon as someone tries to have a productive conversation about anything you would like to see done, past, present or future is getting old.

I am not following your thought process here? You need specifics? Is that what you are saying? How can I give you specifics when I can't figure out what the hell this organization is trying achieve? If it were up to me I go all defense all the time...Build a ridiculous stable of Dmen...But that is pure bias on my part...But I also think if you have a good 20 year D man you can cover up a lot of ugly warts...I think you still can win a championship with a D-corp as the basis for your team. That changes the conversation a bit...It is also a 180 from where we are today.

And I don't need defending Hoss.

 

[Unknown Caller]

I am not following your thought process here? You need specifics? Is that what you are saying? How can I give you specifics when I can't figure out what the hell this organization is trying achieve? If it were up to me I go all defense all the time...Build a ridiculous stable of Dmen...But that is pure bias on my part...But I also think if you have a good 20 year D man you can cover up a lot of ugly warts...I think you still can win a championship with a D-corp as the basis for your team. That changes the conversation a bit...It is also a 180 from where we are today.

And I don't need defending Hoss.

Is it really that hard to figure out what the organization is trying to achieve or are you just impatient and opposed to building a team around skilled players and high draft picks?

 

[JimEIV]

Is it really that hard to figure out what the organization is trying to achieve or are you just impatient and opposed to building a team around skilled players and high draft picks?

I'd be open to hear your opinion...
Because I look at Hayden, Boyle, Gusev, Johanssan, Johnsson, Palmieri, Butcher, Mueller, Subban, Moore and I can't really figure out they are doing or trying to achieve. Honestly.

 

[TrufleShufle]

I am not following your thought process here? You need specifics? Is that what you are saying? How can I give you specifics when I can't figure out what the hell this organization is trying achieve? If were up to me I go all defense all the time...Build a ridiculous stable of Dmen...But that is pure bias on my part...But I also think if you have a good 20 year D man you can cover up a lot of ugly warts...I think you still can win a championship with a D-corp as the basis for your team. That changes the conversation a bit...It is also a 180 from where we are today.

And I don't need defending Hoss.

My thought process is simple. You complain non-stop for pages, defending why you think this was a dumb move or that player is a disgrace, but the second someone asks you for any actual input, you vanish. This is the closest you've come to actually saying what you would like to see happen, that I've ever seen. And what upsets me the most is I actually agree completely, so it could make for great discussion on a discussion board.... But you can go back to just saying what moves we've made over the last however many years Lou has been gone you hate the most.

And when I said defend you, it was more in the sense of going against the idea that people should be ignored or not allowed to post for one reason or another. You just get the brunt of that more than most.

 

[JimEIV]

So we are going through Phase 2 of house cleaning it appears.

 

[MartyOwns]

See it really isn't...
Lou said We need to get tougher and add some scoring when he took over as President(He was Pres before GM in case you didn't know)...Korn, Maley, Sundstrom, McPhee...Boom done. Playoffs first time ever.

The issue here is you need to know what you want to build and you need know what you need...Collecting random players from the draft or trades doesn't achieve anything. No vision means spinning in circles. And too many GM's just try to collect the best pieces available like this was some sort of fantasy keeper league.

most of those players wouldn't even make the 4th line in 2021. it's completely different- changed rules, faster game, salary cap.

we aren't collecting random players- if you look at our defense drafting for example, we're clearly selecting a good mix of mobile and stay-at-home players. there is a process- you may disagree with it (for example, you may have wanted shero to address defense before offense and not the other way around) but it's clearly there. and not just through the draft, but consistently through trades as well.

i still don't understand why you can't just say who you want to trade and who you want to obtain. you want grit? who? and how much are you willing to give up for it? and has it occurred to you that we have grit coming through the pipeline because, for once, we have a stocked pond?

we will never see eye to eye on this because i don't think the organization is a tire fire, where we desperately need players at all positions. you do, yet you can't articulate specific things you'd like to see. and that's ok, but it's also why nobody takes you seriously. i still love you though.

 

[Unknown Caller]

So we are going through Phase 2 of house cleaning it appears.

Two people left. Two people leave my company on a weekly basis.

 

[aboriginal]

All I was trying to say was that his downward trajectory began in the first of half of that season.

 

[aboriginal]

That is the thing about all the detractors...they typically just complain to hear themselves speak but yet don't typically offer examples of what they would have done

At least myself (and others) throw ideas out there on who we would sign, who we would trade for, etc even if we are wrong sometimes. I was all for signing Trouba and that was a bad take. It happens.

I need to know these surefire moves that the Devils should have made over the past 4-5 years that would have turned them into a contender by now.

Quebec

 

[aboriginal]

I think I am the user of the word "hyperbolic". I'm not sure I've seen anyone else say that in the team futility discussion. I don't think I've been up in arms about the points made by folks suggesting that the team is struggling to rebuild. I don't think most folks are in denial about it. I think it's the way the baloney is being sliced that folks take exception to. I agree there are some that are too optimistic but there are some that will typically choose to highlight the bad at most opportunities rather than be balanced. I'd just like to see reasonable discussion rather than hot takes and insults that don't advance anyone's argument.

I think what they mean is this team is hyperbowlic. Dreadful.

 

[JimEIV]

I think what they mean is this team is hyperbowlic. Dreadful.

I used to smoke a lot of hyperbowlics

 

[devilsblood]

Really hoping we trade for Garland and try to lock him up long term. At 25, you can get away with a long-term deal and probably at a relatively affordable rate ($6 million or less?).

Would be a great option in the top 6 and PP.

Aight, he looks pretty solid. Even with the year to year swings in both goals and assists, his 5v5 pts/60are above 2 in each of the last 2 years. His pts/60 on the pp is above 4in each of the last 2 years as well.

I guess the though would be

Shara Hughes Garland
Zacha Nico Bratt.

Which would then move Kuok down, which strengthens the bottom 6.

Who do you squeeze off the top PP is a thing, but that's something you work out down the line.

Wary of what assets it would cost, as well as the contract($6 mil sounds exorbitant) but given the points, the underlying stats, his age, his handedness, he does look like a good target.

 

[ScottyK]

 

[devilsblood]

So she is leaving us?

"I have....... a strong desire to help a team go from potential to dominance."

Even she sees no end to this rebuild.

 

[JimEIV]

most of those players wouldn't even make the 4th line in 2021. it's completely different- changed rules, faster game, salary cap.

we aren't collecting random players- if you look at our defense drafting for example, we're clearly selecting a good mix of mobile and stay-at-home players. there is a process- you may disagree with it (for example, you may have wanted shero to address defense before offense and not the other way around) but it's clearly there. and not just through the draft, but consistently through trades as well.

i still don't understand why you can't just say who you want to trade and who you want to obtain. you want grit? who? and how much are you willing to give up for it? and has it occurred to you that we have grit coming through the pipeline because, for once, we have a stocked pond?

we will never see eye to eye on this because i don't think the organization is a tire fire, where we desperately need players at all positions. you do, yet you can't articulate specific things you'd like to see. and that's ok, but it's also why nobody takes you seriously. i still love you though.

Because it is a ridiculous exercise...You don't see me commenting on any of the "we should get..." post. It is typically a dumb fantasy conversation. And it 99% of the time is sounds like a child in the cereal isle...

There are many Dmen around the league I like...But I am not going to suggest getting them. There a ton of awesome under 25 defenders in the league right now...Ironically we had a crack at just about everyone of them in the draft...I am huge fan of Werenski, does that mean I am supposed to put a trade package for the entertainment of this board? That is moronic.

 

[Ripshot 43]

Does hfboards periodically delete old threads because we could then look back and realize this conversation has happened year after year after year?

Adjust players time in the league and add new players to crap on is about the only difference.

 

[MartyOwns]

"I have....... a strong desire to help a team go from potential to dominance."

well i don't see how she's going to do that, jim korn retired many moons ago

 

[JimEIV]

Leftover Pittsburgh trash going out the door. She'll probably end up in Nashville too or Minnesota

 

[BurntToast]

Fitz is a new(er) GM and changes this offseason were inevitable. They probably kept most of the management team around last offseason to guide him. In reality Kimball’s role is redundant with Duggan’s vague “Manager of Player Development Role”..