Devils 2019 offseason team discussion (news and notes) XI

[njdevils1982]

Me too, and I say that 100% being fully aware his bust quotient is high.

That's the thing I think a lot of people HFBoard-wide are underrating and/or not understanding, that just because you lit it up in the KHL doesnt mean you're going to do that in the NHL. But I think if it's true that he seeks a short-term deal (and I'm sure it is) and it's true he seeks $4M per year (and I'm not sure it is), that's precisely the roulette table sort of deal I'm all for. Especially since the Devils have cap to spare.

The final piece of the puzzle, however, is that Vegas cant be asking anything too crazy, like a 1st Round pick & a prospect, and it does worry me if it is true that so many teams have their hats in the Gusev pot, because that could drive the value too high.

sign nigel dawes

 

[Devils8961]

Just curious - but what would the overall reaction be if tomorrow the Devils formally issued an offer sheet to the Leafs for Marner?

sorry if that one has been discussed at nauseam but i feel most of the talk has been about Gusev recently,

** posted on the around the league one as well - sorry i didn't notice Marner talk was there **

 

[RangerDoggo]

Just curious - but what would the overall reaction be if tomorrow the Devils formally issued an offer sheet to the Leafs for Marner?

sorry if that one has been discussed at nauseam but i feel most of the talk has been about Gusev recently,

Given that Marner is dead set at a three-year term, I’ll be pretty upset.

 

[Nubmer6]

Just curious - but what would the overall reaction be if tomorrow the Devils formally issued an offer sheet to the Leafs for Marner?

sorry if that one has been discussed at nauseam but i feel most of the talk has been about Gusev recently,

** posted on the around the league one as well - sorry i didn't notice Marner talk was there **

I think there would be a revolt... or at least the 20 phases of Free Agent grief.

 

[None Shall Pass]

Just curious - but what would the overall reaction be if tomorrow the Devils formally issued an offer sheet to the Leafs for Marner?

sorry if that one has been discussed at nauseam but i feel most of the talk has been about Gusev recently,

My worry for what 4 1st round picks lost could do to this team would outweigh my excitement for getting a gamebreaking talent.

Lest we forget, one of the biggest reasons Rejean had such a big hole to dig out of was that we absolutely squandered 1st round picks. From 2004 (Zajac drafted in the 1st) until Zacha in 2015, the Devils drafted in the 1st round 7 times. Of those 7 picks, only two are still playing in the NHL at all - Adam Larsson (Who not even Lou in his advanced senility could have screwed up) and John Quennville, who will very likely flame out in a year or two.

You only give up 4 1st round picks if you're going through a Penguins with Sid and Malkin-esque run of success. We are not there yet.

 

[Brooklyndevil]

i don’t really disagree with that, but is that the standard we want to use on a 6, 7 year deal for the guy? better defensively than butcher and severson?

He’s a slightly better John Moore. If he was as good as people make him out to be, he would already been signed.

 

[Jack Be Quick]

My worry for what 4 1st round picks lost could do to this team would outweigh my excitement for getting a gamebreaking talent.

Lest we forget, one of the biggest reasons Rejean had such a big hole to dig out of was that we absolutely squandered 1st round picks. From 2004 (Zajac drafted in the 1st) until Zacha in 2015, the Devils drafted in the 1st round 7 times. Of those 7 picks, only two are still playing in the NHL at all - Adam Larsson (Who not even Lou in his advanced senility could have screwed up) and John Quennville, who will very likely flame out in a year or two.

You only give up 4 1st round picks if you're going through a Penguins with Sid and Malkin-esque run of success. We are not there yet.

If the Devils land a talent like Marner they are all but guaranteed to draft in the 22+ range for the next 5+ years. Which is where they were drafting for most of the time frame you're speaking of.

Not to mention that Nico and Jack could shape up to be the next Sid and Gino.

As currently constructed the Devils are a playoff team. Toss in a 94 point 22 y/o and you have a legit contender for as long as you can pay the players for.

 

[Billdo]

College hockey community is very high on him.

He's never going to jump out at you like holy crap he's a stud but he's a very serviceable lunch pail type of guy. Won't make many mistakes, very good positionally, and isn't a grenade handler with the puck.

 

[Billdo]

Obviously. If Las Vegas genuinely believed Gusev is a 100% NHL All-Star they'd be moving "someone else" and keeping Gusev.

It's not complicated.

I don't necessarily think they question his ability, just his contract demands for never having played a game might be a little too high for them. The kid can play, there's no doubt about that.

 

[Nubmer6]

I don't necessarily think they question his ability, just his contract demands for never having played a game might be a little too high for them. The kid can play, there's no doubt about that.

If they were so sure, 2x4M isn't that high. I think they could make room for that pretty easily.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Behind door number two, the New Jersey Devils. Still working its way out from under the Lou Lamoriello era that ended with an old and slow roster, the Devils joined the new NHL a couple of years ago. In Nico Hischier’s rookie season, coach John Hynes went all-in with an up-tempo and skilled lineup. Those smaller Devils were entertaining and, thanks to a late-season winning streak, qualified for the 2018 playoffs. Injuries and below-average goaltending stunted the progression last season, but with the addition of Jack Hughes, the Devils see an opportunity. Because Ray Shero is in the midst of a rebuild, he has cap space, something he used to pry PK Subban out of Nashville. The addition of Wayne Simmonds on a one-year deal should bolster New Jersey’s power-play, and all of a sudden, the Devils are on a faster track.

Why not put the pedal down? What would a successful offer sheet to Mitch Marner or Patrik Laine look like to Taylor Hall, who has one year left on his deal? If the offer sheet is successful and Hall ends up walking, the damage is mitigated. New Jersey is well-positioned for this rogue move, Devils president Hugh Weber told The Chirp with Daren Millard podcast, New Jersey wants to be proactive, build with personality which will help elevate the “brand” outside of the NHL fan. An offer sheet generates buzz, and if it works the Devils are a better team, and considering they have drafted first overall in two of the last three drafts, they are a franchise that could most afford to surrender the four first-round selections, should the sheet qualify for maximum compensation.

other team he mentions is Philly.

 

[TrufleShufle]

The only way I would be ok with an offer sheet is if they traded for their 2nd back and went the 10.5x3 route. They match, who cares, they are screwed. But if they don't and we have to go through the same BS in 3 years, either trade him or get 4 1sts if he keeps up the play to deserve an OS that calls for it.

 

[Billdo]

other team he mentions is Philly.

I just have a hard time believing an offer sheet for a guy like Marner or Laine will be worth giving up the picks AND the required money. Especially for Marner if he's dead set on signing for three years. I wonder how much less it would cost for Laine though. Imagine Hughes dishing and Laine sniping? Yikes.

 

[Nubmer6]

 

[TrufleShufle]

I just have a hard time believing an offer sheet for a guy like Marner or Laine will be worth giving up the picks AND the required money. Especially for Marner if he's dead set on signing for three years. I wonder how much less it would cost for Laine though. Imagine Hughes dishing and Laine sniping? Yikes.

Plus if we successfully OS either of them, they would be in our top six, and then where the hell would we put the goose?

 

[Nubmer6]

Plus if we successfully OS either of them, they would be in our top six, and then where the hell would we put the goose?

Behind Maverick.

 

[Billdo]

Plus if we successfully OS either of them, they would be in our top six, and then where the hell would we put the goose?

I am so sick of this Gusev crap tbh.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

I am so sick of this Gusev crap tbh.

Why? That option definitely makes the most sense for us. It would be stupid to offer sheet Marner or Liane (IMO), and we aren't trading the farm for a guy like Ehlers. We are in the perfect situation to take advantage of Vegas not being able to sign Gusev, though.

 

[Billdo]

Why? That option definitely makes the most sense for us. It would be stupid to offer sheet Marner or Liane (IMO), and we aren't trading the farm for a guy like Ehlers. We are in the perfect situation to take advantage of Vegas not being able to sign Gusev, though.

I just want it to be over. I can't go on any social media and not see the same people saying the same things over and over. This is my "get off my lawn moment" but it's growing tired, that's all. I would like to sign him, but I want it over more.

 

[BenedictGomez]

An offer sheet generates buzz, and if it works the Devils are a better team, and considering they have drafted first overall in two of the last three drafts, they are a franchise that could most afford to surrender the four first-round selections

Hard No.

This is the same logic by which the Vanderbilts & the Pulitzers went bankrupt.

"We have SO much, lets SPEND randomly on this and that!"

 

[Jack Be Quick]

Why? That option definitely makes the most sense for us. It would be stupid to offer sheet Marner or Liane (IMO), and we aren't trading the farm for a guy like Ehlers. We are in the perfect situation to take advantage of Vegas not being able to sign Gusev, though.

Laine yes, Marner maybe not so much.

Were talking about a 44 point disparity in those 2 players.

Palms put up pretty much the exact same stats as Laine with fewer games played and will be an animal on Hughes' wing imo. No need whatsoever to give up 2 draft picks for the Finn, nevermind 4.

 

[MadDevil]

Is Provorov offer sheet eligible?

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Is Provorov offer sheet eligible?

Yes. He is the guy I really think the Devils should be going after. Need that 2nd rounder back from NSH though

 

[MadDevil]

It won't happen, but it would be kind of funny if Philly offer sheeted Marner, and while they're tied up with him we offer sheeted Provorov.

 

[zombie abo]

Yes