Post-Game Talk: Devil IV

[redwhiteandblue]

I'm not one to be super reactionary, but I could see a 1st round exit in an ugly fashion (dropping 4 after being up 2-0) getting him canned. I'm sure that first power play want to all be best friends and try to play chel out there, but you gotta step in and do something.

His one tactic has seemed to be wait 2 games and then bury the guys in the post-game interview. Might be effective, but we might need a little more out of ya Turk.

 

[Fitzy]

this is so wrong, he was the youngest player on almost every team he played for? he beat up on older players and dominated at the world juniors where he was one of the youngest players in the tournament

Again, it's all about adaptation. Kakko dunked on older players too. It's just that his 'role' as he has adapted his skillset to the NHL isn't as a star player. It's as a role player. This is by far the best, fastest, most talented league in the world- unless you're Crosby, you're gonna have to adjust.

Laf is floating with a lack of identity to his game. He's consistently the weak link of the three. What is he bringing to the table?

 

[Brutananadilewski]

It was said just year because we were slow last year. We're even slower this year. How does winning change that?

The topic of team speed is so weird on here. Every time we bring it up it's like "but didn't you see that time we won?" I didn't say we're bad, I said we're slow. We've been successful a lot of times but better speed would make is successful more consistently.

"We did it that one time do we can do it at will" is not how competition works.

Fine.

Was speed the reason we won the first two games?

Again, bullshit. Get us 2-3 speedsters and it means shit if they can't complete a rudimentary pass, shots are wide, and a PP that is anemic because they're looking for the perfect pass with no one in front.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Again, it's all about adaptation. Kakko dunked on older players too. It's just that his 'role' as he has adapted his skillset to the NHL isn't as a star player. It's as a role player.

i dont disagree, but using false statements is just that....false

ive been one of the biggest supporters of laf but hes been ass this playoffs

so has 85% of the roster

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I'll add that I think NYR win this series- I just think we are learning a lot about who is a big game player and who isn't.

I get that Kane is injured. He has that excuse. But I think the now antiquated 'old school' philosophy that grinders are more useful in the playoffs really is starting to rear it's ugly head when it comes to non-contact players like Artemi Panarin.

I think they win too. Outside of Hughes, they've completely neutralized the Devils. Hischier, Meier, Bratt, Mercer haven't done shit. And if we're being honest, no one here would have predicted that. For f***'s sake the first goal last night was a goddam hail mary. Sigenwhatever was just trying to clear the puck out of the crease and he just so happened to put it on Hughe's stick. Score the first goal on Thursday and they win the series.

 

[haohmaru]

Bottom line is Panarin and Zibanejad need to be impact players over the next three games or this thing is likely over.

 

[Fitzy]

Bottom line is Panarin and Zibanejad need to be impact players over the next three games or this thing is likely over.

It's increasingly evident to me that the fate of this series rests on the shoulders of NYR's first PP unit.

 

[NikC]

Fine.

Was speed the reason we won the first two games?

Again, bullshit. Get us 2-3 speedsters and it means shit if they can't complete a rudimentary pass, shots are wide, and a PP that is anemic because they're looking for the perfect pass with no one in front.

Right... lack of speed is making them:

Not chase after dumping the puck
Take shots at the goalies chest.
Not crash the net
Not forecheck
Not hit
refuse to go to the net.

He has a viewpoint, that he's convinced himself of, and you're in the dark ages unless you agree 100% with him

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

Laffy is N'Keal Harry

 

[Greschner4]

They never should have messed with PP1 in the first place. Massive mistake.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Right... lack of speed is making them:

Not chase after dumping the puck
Take shots at the goalies chest.
Not crash the net
Not forecheck
Not hit
refuse to go to the net.

He has a viewpoint, that he's convinced himself of, and you're in the dark ages unless you agree 100% with him

This speed thing is being way overblown. There were no issues with their speed in games 1 and 2.

 

[Machinehead]

so with your logic, fast skating rectifies the problems of the last 2 games? Dark ages? There are attributes to winning hockey games that require will.

They have will. They bodied the Devils the first two games. They won two rounds last year. You think they just stopped because don't feel like it anymore? You think this team is talented enough to win as much as they have the last couple of seasons not trying?

Yes, speed rectifies most of the problems we've had the last two games. Our problem is we've scored two goals. Period. Our offensive is ineffective because the entire opposing team is back and ready to defend before we effectively transition. Forechecking is ineffective because they beat us to every puck.

how have you determined the ranges are the slowest team in the NHL?

They're just violently f***ing slow. I don't know how people don't see it.

It's like asking me how I determined Joel Lundqvist is ugly.

The Rangers are slow like Zdeno Chara is tall.

We have two players on the entire roster I would consider very good skaters - Tyler Motte and K'Andre Miller. Two. The Devils have two on every line. Everyone else ranges from "can skate" to "he lumbers a bit" to Alexis Lafreniere.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Right... lack of speed is making them:

Not chase after dumping the puck
Take shots at the goalies chest.
Not crash the net
Not forecheck
Not hit
refuse to go to the net.

He has a viewpoint, that he's convinced himself of, and you're in the dark ages unless you agree 100% with him

this is so true it hurts

 

[Kovalev27]

My big take away on lafreniere is less on his skill and skating both of which I see as no problem at all really

My concern is he’s an EXTREMELY immature kid with his head in the clouds. I don’t think he’s focused on getting better or being anything other than a goofball. He’s a day dreamer on the ice. Got by on talent alone in juniors. But here he’s not a pro. Not close. He’s not working like chytil does off ice. He’s not putting the effort than even kakko does who’s probably the opposite in being too serious.

I see Jack Hughes and he wants to be the best. I see lafreniere and he’s looking up at the lights and singing songs. He’s a clown.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Buch we traded wrongfully. Miller's physical game is non-present, which is a bigger issue. Kravtsov is a diva, and Andersson was a head-case.

It is what it is. Still, all three of the kids took a step-back compared to the last playoffs when they were contributing.

Now?

One or two kids is a coincidence, going through the draft years this is going on a few decades of drafts with the odd exception ie kreider, Stepan, Lundqvist etc. Andersson and Kravtsov were supposed to be real prospects, they were kids when they arrived, they certainly didn't help themselves but the organization is supposed to be able to right their ship and i dont have any faith in this organization when it comes to developing high end forwards, something has to change we're just drafting players and trying to turn them into grinders. We have Othmann and Sykora coming, I'd really love if things were better done before they get here.

 

[Machinehead]

Fine.

Was speed the reason we won the first two games?

Again, bullshit. Get us 2-3 speedsters and it means shit if they can't complete a rudimentary pass, shots are wide, and a PP that is anemic because they're looking for the perfect pass with no one in front.

You're still going back to the first two games. Slow teams have won the Stanley Cup. That we won a couple of games isn't an argument against what I'm saying.

The Ducks are terrible at literally every aspect of ice hockey and they won 23 games this year.

 

[bhamill]

The veterans need to step it up. IMO very few players seemed committed to doing the hard stuff: too fancy, not heavy enough. NYR still likely win this, but they just made it way more difficult on themselves. A "lucky" breakaway where Hughes was cheating as the NYR almost scored twice, and a screamer off of the post and in, that's all the Devils generated even with how poorly NYR played. Kid line seemed like the only one spending any time in the Devil's zone, and Laf had two of the best NYR scoring chances. They need to get on the board next game, but more importantly, Zib, Panarin, Kane, Kreider, Taresanko need to lead the offense, and get the PP going. Trocheck is one of the few who seemed to show up last night. No shifts taken off.

 

[Machinehead]

Right... lack of speed is making them:

Not chase after dumping the puck
Take shots at the goalies chest.
Not crash the net
Not forecheck
Not hit
refuse to go to the net.

He has a viewpoint, that he's convinced himself of, and you're in the dark ages unless you agree 100% with him

All of the bolded are directly related to skating.

 

[NikC]

They have will. They bodied the Devils the first two games. They won two rounds last year. You think they just stopped because don't feel like it anymore? You think this team is talented enough to win as much as they have the last couple of seasons not trying?


We have two players on the entire roster I would consider very good skaters - Tyler Motte and K'Andre Miller. Two. The Devils have two on every line. Everyone else ranges from "can skate" to "he lumbers a bit" to Alexis Lafreniere.

lack of willingness was ONE of the factors that imo have contributed to the losses in games 3/4.. just one. When a team isn't doing the small things that made them effective previously, you have to ask yourself why? lack of speed in terms of "overprocessing".. .overthinking, which this fancy ass team does over and over again... I'm not saying we have a team of young Bures... but
saying we're the slowest team is just stupid. Krieder is slow? lol? Panarin, Mika? Chytil, Fox?

 

[Fitzy]

I think this debate can be summed up as follows...

NYR need either
A) more speed at forward
B) better puck movers at the blueline

Both would be ideal. But we struggle with a dearth of both.

 

[ReddestRum]

My big take away on lafreniere is less on his skill and skating both of which I see as no problem at all really

My concern is he’s an EXTREMELY immature kid with his head in the clouds. I don’t think he’s focused on getting better or being anything other than a goofball. He’s a day dreamer on the ice. Got by on talent alone in juniors. But here he’s not a pro. Not close. He’s not working like chytil does off ice. He’s not putting the effort than even kakko does who’s probably the opposite in being too serious.

I see Jack Hughes and he wants to be the best. I see lafreniere and he’s looking up at the lights and singing songs. He’s a clown.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

All of the bolded are directly related to skating.

No, they aren't. You don't have to be Connor f***ing McDavid to crash the net, take the body, or get pucks deep, You're gonna stick to your narrative, cool but last night was about willingness not fancy dangles. For all the Devils speed, they didn't do shit.

 

[NikC]

All of the bolded are directly related to skating.

lol. your argument doesn't hold water.

 

[Machinehead]

lack of willingness was ONE of the factors that imo have contributed to the losses in games 3/4.. just one. When a team isn't doing the small things that made them effective previously, you have to ask yourself why? lack of speed in terms of "overprocessing".. .overthinking, which this fancy ass team does over and over again... I'm not saying we have a team of young Bures... but
saying we're the slowest team is just stupid. Krieder is slow? lol? Panarin, Mika? Chytil, Fox?

The five guys you mentioned are average skaters. Probably right around 50th percentile. Yes, even Kreider. He's not fast anymore.

Those are our fast guys.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

You're still going back to the first two games. Slow teams have won the Stanley Cup. That we won a couple of games isn't an argument against what I'm saying.

The Ducks are terrible at literally every aspect of ice hockey and they won 23 games this year.

Again, in these 4 games, have you seen the Devils outright dominate the Rangers?

Game 3 was 50/50, and not a living soul was saying the problem with the Rangers was that they were slower than molasses.

And again, get this team 2-3 speedsters and it doesn't mean shit when your goalie is the only one that can make a long stretch pass, shots that go wider than a chipped field goal, or you have players do spin-o-ramas in front of the goalie while still not getting a SOG.