Post-Game Talk: Devil IV

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Its not just the current kids, its almost every kid forward we get. I mean except for Kreider and Stepan there isn't a lot to get excited about as far as players we drafted and developed.
Just take a peak at the highest players we picked in each draft.
I think this non development thing is overstated. Chytil, Kakko, and Laf all showed signs of progress this year. 2 bad games doesn't change that. JT Miller was doing fine but he was a PIA and immature. Buch, Anisimov, Callahan, Dubinsky were all mid round guys who have/had nice NHL careers. Andersson and Kravs just plain suck and were bad picks and did nothing anywhere.
 
Schmiddy has been better than Vanecek but their team is also playing much better in front of Schmiddy.

If changes aren't made on our end, I'll be floored. Whether they have an impact or not, I'm not sure.
I'll put it this way. If significant adjustments aren't made by Thursday and we don't see a completely different team for Game 5, I'll be absolutely stunned. If they don't wake up for an elimination game at home even if Game 5 is an egg, the team deserves to be nuked.

What we need is sir avgard hockey professor to weigh in here and give us some hope.
Let's do it.

@avgard we're waiting on you, sir.
 
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They deserve the town hall style booing like this honestly. Truthfully, even that would be kind.



All that and more is owed.

If anyone wants to try to say it was a close game is being kind. When the rangers playing lifeless pathetic heartless hockey and its a 0-1 game that means the game is already over. When Hughes scored.. that was the game. Even when we scored in the 3rd they continued to play that way and what was it 2 min after the devils scored again?

Im disgusted that i spent $450 on that crap and that will be my first and ONLY playoff game i go to.
 
Here's a question. If we f*** this up this year, are we gunning for another run the next few years or do we start to rebuild? I don't think we were ever in a full rebuild, just a.. retool.
Proverbial rock and hard place.

Half the roster will be long term deals on old folk like Zibby, Tro, Kreider, et al.
Half will be the (now aging) under-22s.

Unless Drury can move the no moves (hello Artey! Hello my Captain!) and get back some draft capital, I fear we are looking at a repeat of the pre-Henrik Dark Ages.
 
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And that 2nd we may give up for Kane if we lose this series is going to be the end of the world? He hasn't been bad either.

It's not about the 2nd. It's about balance. We now have Panarin AND Kane in the top 6. And we wonder why our top 6 is powderpuff, why our C are missing in action (they have to work their assess off 200f) and why the heavy board play is missing. One of them (in form) is fine, two is one too many. On top of that it creates issues for Zib on the PP since our coach can't make himself play one of Kane or Panarin on PP2... etc.

Probably a lesser but faster more 200f strong along the boards player would have helped the top 6/9 out more. I think so. It's not as if the PP1 were desperate for a new body either. Kane was purely a name signing.
 
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Proverbial rock and hard place.

Half the roster will be long term deals on old folk like Zibby, Tro, Kreider, et al.
Half will be the (now aging) under-22s.

Unless Drury can move the no moves (hello Artey! Hello my Captain!) and get back some draft capital, I fear we are looking at a repeat of the pre-Henrik Dark Ages.
He will. I'm confident in this.

Panarin and Trouba are both going to get dealt within the next 15 months. Take it to the bank. They'll get a nice mix of young players and picks and prospects back for them both.
 
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I'll put it this way. If significant adjustments aren't made by Thursday and we don't see a completely different team for Game 5, I'll be absolutely stunned. If they don't wake up for an elimination game at home even if Game 5 is an egg, the team deserves to be nuked.


Let's do it.

@avgard we're waiting on you, sir.

Avgaard spelled it out months ago. He didn't approve of Bigbellyman's ways.
 
They were .500 because they were sleepwalking, probably out of boredom but who knows. It took Trouba's helmet toss to wake them up. They focused on grinding out 2 points to make the playoffs and they did. What they have never truly done is play up to the talent level this team has. Which points to the coaching, setup, approach again.
They had Vesey and Goodrow playing top 6 minutes for much of the year because Kravs shit the bed and had a real problem finding a competent #6 Dman until those holes were filled at the deadline. Igor was also nowhere near as good as he was last year. I think Gallant did a good job with the limitations in this roster.
 
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The issue with firing Gallant is who replaces him. I don't think there's an upgrade out there. I think if he gets the ax this summer, he's the patsy for the core of this roster that should have gotten it done but didn't.

It sucks that Quenneville is an enabling POS. He'd be perfect for this team.
 
What did Panarin do this game except turn the puck over?
He’s the scapegoat. He literally saved the game when backchecked hard & tied up a Devils stick when the puck came to him right in front of our net all alone. He fired a very fast beautiful pass as soon as he got the puck on another play late in the game too (i think Trocheck?) which set up a very high danger chance. Idk maybe you guys are watching on MSG but ESPN was fawning over him and said that when they were by the Devils bench they heard them literally dictating their entire game around trying to shut him down. He’s playing hard, generating chances and going to dirty areas. Just last game he went and challenged 6’6 230lb Bahl.

I’m tired of how wrongly maligned the guy is, he’s the leading scorer in franchise history in points per game. Literally the best offensive player this original six franchise has ever had. He leads us in scoring every year and it’s just what’s expected of him and people will call it a down year. I remember when we were lucky to get 60pts out of our leading scorer. We’re already one of the least offensively skilled teams in the league, and Panarin makes up like half of that skill alone. He was analytically our best player tonight. 1st in Corsi, 1st in Fenwick, 2nd highest game score.
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He’s the scapegoat. He literally saved the game when backchecked hard & tied up a Devils stick when the puck came to him right in front of our net all alone. He fired a very fast beautiful pass as soon as he got the puck on another play late in the game too (i think Trocheck?) which set up a very high danger chance. Idk maybe you guys are watching on MSG but ESPN was fawning over him and said that when they were by the Devils bench they heard them literally dictating their entire game around trying to shut him down. He’s playing hard, generating chances and going to dirty areas. Just last game he went and challenged 6’6 230lb Bahl.

I’m tired of how wrongly maligned the guy is, he’s the leading scorer in franchise history in points per game. Literally the best offensive player this original six franchise has ever had. He leads us in scoring every year and it’s just what’s expected of him and people will call it a down year. I remember when we were lucky to get 60pts out of our leading scorer. We’re already one of the least offensively skilled teams in the league, and Panarin makes up like half of that skill alone. He was analytically our best player tonight. 1st in Corsi, 1st in Fenwick, 2nd highest game score.
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So basically he did jack shit offensively?

Thanks for clearing that up for everyone who was already saying that.
 
I know i already posted about me being at the game. But i just have to add..

This team is not beating the devils or any team playing this lifeless, gutless, no balls hockey. Its not even like the devils did anything. It was the rangers players who just weren't quick to the puck, didnt make smart passes, looked slow, and dumb, took beach ball shots, nobody in front of the net, pp stale as f***.

If this team loses in the first round against the devils, you can best believe that Drury will be making real changes to this team. He was already deeply upset with panarin last year. Now he went out and got a bunch of his buddies to play with him. NONE of them have been effective. The team hasnt been effective.. You think Gallant will still be coach? LOL.

Im truly disgusted with this rangers team. Both of my rangers jersey that were worn tonight are in the garbage. Bc that what this team has become.

It may be 2-2 in the series and i HOPE that momentum doesnt carry game to game but... This is over. Devils in 6.
Same boat. Should have gone to bed hours ago but seeing that performance live left such a bad taste in me mouth that I can’t sleep. Igor was run again and there was minimal reaction. At another point (I think it was towards the end of the 1st) chytil took a late hit after the whistle and i watched as kakko and laf just skated away back to the bench. Do we need another trouba helmet incident to embarrass them enough so they actually give a shit????

I’ve Been a fan of this team for about 30 years and I’ve seen some putrid and disgusting efforts, but I feel like tonight was up there. This isn’t for ECF, having gone through two roughy 7 game series with guys hanging on by a thread. It’s f***ing game 4 of round 1, with the first two games being cake walks, relative to normal playoff hockey. No excuse for the lack of effort.
 
Those offensive numbers....yikes.


To be fair, everyone did jack shit offensively.

Not everyone is getting paid 11.6 million a year to be the main driver of offense here.

It was an all around shit performance which I agree with, but no one should get mad at people giving Panarin more shit than other guys. He's supposed to be the leader of the offense and it hasn't been there.

He gets less of a leash than Zibanejad (who also needs to do more) since Zib actually showed up during the playoffs last year.
 
I'm 100% not blaming this game on Shesterkin but it would really be nice if he wasn't a sieve on that GWG. It was the only goal that he allowed all series that I thought was soft and he's only allowed 6 goals in 12.5 periods. I get it. But he also hasn't faced much this series. As pissed as we are about the Rangers, the Devils have done jack shit offensively all series. I actually think their best game in terms of offense was game 1. Would have been nice to have a clean game today. It wasn't the worst goal ever, it was a royal road or whatever, but it went through him. We were killing Sorokin for a similar goal allowed to Fast.
 
Not everyone is getting paid 11.6 million a year to be the main driver of offense here.

It was an all around shit performance which I agree with, but no one should get mad at people giving Panarin more shit than other guys. He's supposed to be the leader of the offense and it hasn't been there.

He gets less of a leash than Zibanejad (who also needs to do more) since Zib actually showed up during the playoffs last year.
I pretty much feel the same way. Zib was herculean from Game 5 vs. Pitt onwards last year. He gets a pass from me for being shit this year. Also think he's dealing with an injury. Took a maintenance day between Game 1 and 2 that made me raise an eyebrow.

Panarin's been shite in the postseason going back to the COVID play in series in 2020. It's simply unacceptable to be the 3rd highest paid player in the league and producing like a 3rd liner when it matters.
 
He will. I'm confident in this.

Panarin and Trouba are both going to get dealt within the next 15 months. Take it to the bank. They'll get a nice mix of young players and picks and prospects back for them both.
I pray your confidence = reality.
 
I'm 100% not blaming this game on Shesterkin but it would really be nice if he wasn't a sieve on that GWG. It was the only goal that he allowed all series that I thought was soft and he's only allowed 6 goals in 12.5 periods. I get it. But he also hasn't faced much this series. As pissed as we are about the Rangers, the Devils have done jack shit offensively all series. I actually think their best game in terms of offense was game 1. Would have been nice to have a clean game today. It wasn't the worst goal ever, it was a royal road or whatever, but it went through him. We were killing Sorokin for a similar goal allowed to Fast.

The Devils XG is 12.37 (all situations)in 4 games, he’s let up 6 goals, he’s done his part. It’s insane he has two losses.
 
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I pray your confidence = reality.
Drury has a ruthless side to him. I have confidence he'll do what needs to be done.

Tonight was....cathartic. I'm so screwed for tomorrow with progress notes from today still to do on top of tomorrow's work, but this game bothered me to the point of being not able to focus at all on finishing my work. Night all.

Rangers in 6.
 
I'm 100% not blaming this game on Shesterkin but it would really be nice if he wasn't a sieve on that GWG. It was the only goal that he allowed all series that I thought was soft and he's only allowed 6 goals in 12.5 periods. I get it. But he also hasn't faced much this series. As pissed as we are about the Rangers, the Devils have done jack shit offensively all series. I actually think their best game in terms of offense was game 1. Would have been nice to have a clean game today. It wasn't the worst goal ever, it was a royal road or whatever, but it went through him. We were killing Sorokin for a similar goal allowed to Fast.
Not going to disagree here.

Every time I say “Igor got beat glove high” some toad says that’s where all the goalies get beat.

But I’m with you. BS. A save that needed to be, um, saved.
 
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Honest question to you guys. For the longest time the ticket to greatness was a top pick or two, we got that. Now those top picks or two are 3rd liners. Clearly the FA and trade route hasn't worked as the dickless core that we have isn't getting it done. What exactly can we do? This franchise is legit doomed to mediocrity forever. No way of building a team has worked. Looks like we'll be wasting the prime of another potentially HOFer goalie (and yes I realize how funny that sounds coming from me), we will waste the prime of probably the second best defenseman in team history. What exactly is the point of following this franchise? They have absolutely 0 hope.

The Devils XG is 12.37 (all situations)in 4 games, he’s let up 6 goals, he’s done his part. It’s insane he has two losses.

How the f*** were the Devils supposed to get over 3 goals a game in these 4 games. What am I missing? Other than game 1, they have barely had any chances.
 
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