Post-Game Talk: Devil IV

[PuckLuck3043]

I’m just jealous. This is supposed to be our year.

The Devils have a better future than we do. They shouldn’t have a better present as well.

I’ll sit and watch and hope and pray that these guys find a way to win these next couple of games but everything I’ve been worried about (here’s looking at you Artemi) is looking correct.

I feel bad for Igor. You can see his frustration. If he loses a series to some random ass fifth round rookie… man.

Being a fan of this team is really difficult.

The Devils have won 1 playoff game the last decade and were bottom feeders for most of that. We went to 3 ECF's and a SCF in that span. I would rather having a chance than having no chance. Also f*** them always.

 

[qwertyaas]

JT Miller: 364 points in 377 games since leaving NY. Kovalev had 354 pts in 365 games in PIT after leaving NY. Buchnevich has 143 pts in 136 games since leaving NY. Savard was a PPG guy for BOS later in his career. Weight had 577 pts in 588 games in EDM after leaving NY.

To answer your question: Amonte his first 2 yrs? T. Sandstrom had 380 pts in 407 games in NY. Kreider has developed nicely, but not a PPG guy obviously.

Let me rephrase that. While still being on the NYR.

The point being, it's not always the lack of talent but a system and development issue with the Rangers itself. Their system is an offensive blackhole for development.

Topend players develop into those players with a team that lets them develop. Rangers want zone responsibility and benches youth after taking risks. That's part of the difference. We neuter creativity and risk instead of rewarding it.

 

[Filip Chytil]

I thought Tarasenko played with some life tonight. Had some shots on goal. Had an important blocked shot I saw that looked like it stung.

 

[Machinehead]

You’re seriously going to say with a straight face that Kane has been good?

He has a point on 5 of our last 6 goals in this series.

Also, Kreider-Trocheck-Kane is probably the best line left in the playoffs except maybe something Edmonton could do and Gallant should have stuck with it.

 

[Chaels Arms]

Which is sad because they've been really good.

They haven't been here long enough to be turned into zombies.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Pardon me, sorry to interrupt the depression.

These last 2 games sucked, but this is still a series. The Devils have seemingly found a new trick on defense, but quite honestly I'll wait to see if they can do this at home. Best of 3 from here on out. Need to find their balls.

You are too late. We already lost the series, everybody sucks, and things will get blown up this off season. There is no other way.

 

[bleedblue94]

Well, they haven't been here that long.

Again, I have some concerns about what seems to happen to forwards of a variety of ages once they arrive here.

My concern is usually with 28+ with term. The country club sets in. It virtually always happens. The guys on short term not so much.

There is a large part of me that chalks this group up to stubbornness. We have seen for a couple years that when it goes their way it's great and when there is adversity they reeeeeally struggle. They are stubborn and continue to just do what they want whether it works or not, but as it fails they slump and their effort drops due to frustration. We are like the bolts before the bolts figured out they needed to be able to adapt and play through the challenges, the difference is the bolts were younger and on the upswing, our best players are not young.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Let me rephrase that. While still being on the NYR.

The point being, it's not always the lack of talent but a system and development issue with the Rangers itself. Their system is an offensive blackwhole for development.

Apologies. I worded my post badly. Was trying to show how some guys take off post NY.

Agree with you. We're a blackhole for developing top end offensive players.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

We only lost 2 games on home ice in last year’s playoffs and now we’ve done it twice in a row in round one.

 

[CLW]

Acquiring Kane and Tarasenko at the deadline is going to be looked at a year from now as one of the most Rongos deadlines of all time.

That's why I said I'd LMAO if the Rangers actually got out and got Kane. Tank I was fine with.

 

[bleedblue94]

The worst part is barely testing this f***ing newbie goaltender....how many floaty bullshit shots from the blue line did they take? Such an easy game for him.

Bunch of lollypop shots, reminiscent of the Rick Nash days. So disappointing.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

Kane is insanely frustrating to watch because all he does is float and does extremely little to engage physically. But at least he makes the small plays that can spark goals.

Panarin is a complete black hole while Kane at least tries to play crafty, smart hockey.

 

[Machinehead]

 

[qwertyaas]

Apologies. I worded my post badly. Was trying to show how some guys take off post NY.

Agree with you. We're a blackhole for developing top end offensive players.

Yep and I agree with you. It's a massive problem. Either we cut loose too early or these players just never hit their potential with us since we buy our high end talent and stifle our homegrown into checking lines.

Which is it? Probably a combo of both.

I'd like to think Kakko and Laf would be completely different players on most other teams. As they would be given a much longer leash to develop.

 

[Synergy27]

He has a point on 5 of our last 6 goals in this series.

Also, Kreider-Trocheck-Kane is probably the best line left in the playoffs except maybe something Edmonton could do and Gallant should have stuck with it.

He had a good game two. That point tonight was nonsense and you know it.

He is less physically engaged than Panarin, which is nearly impossible, and gets almost zero respect from defenders because of it.

It’s one thing of the PP is working but it would be nice to be able to send some guys out to forecheck and punish people when it’s not.

 

[Machinehead]

He had a good game two. That point tonight was nonsense and you know it.

He is less physically engaged than Panarin, which is nearly impossible, and gets almost zero respect from defenders because of it.

It’s one thing of the PP is working but it would be nice to be able to send some guys out to forecheck and punish people when it’s not.

The goal tonight doesn't happen without him.

 

[will1066]

The players are fine, Tarasenko especially its just that the makeup of the rest of the team is too similar to Kane, softish, all skill, not speedy, pass first player. I mean it will never happen but I'd actually prefer to see Motte with Zib and Panarin for some speed and sandpaper, someone to retrieve pucks and make the dmen think twice about going in the corner after the puck, someone who will crash the net for rebounds, not enough of it in our top 9.

It's that softish thing that was Gorton's blueprint in thinking the league was trending that way to smaller finesse fast skilled guys. That has to be snuffed out with the next core roster turnover.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Acquiring Kane and Tarasenko at the deadline is going to be looked at a year from now as one of the most Rongos deadlines of all time.

Why? All they would have given up is a 1st this year and a 2nd next year. Other teams gave up more for less.

 

[bbny]

They can do it somewhere else. Who cares?

I'm not losing sleep over it if Lafreniere moves and becomes a slower, dumber Vince Trocheck.

His ceiling is dime a dozen at this point.

Excellent post. Maybe this is the wrong place after a tough playoff loss, and I don’t think the series is over by a long shot, but this offseason the Rangers need to decide if they think Kakko or Lafreniere have star potential. If the answer is no, and it certainly appears that way, they are no longer untouchable. I’m not going to miss a “maybe 60 point player” when I can sign one of those almost any offseason if I need it.

 

[qwertyaas]

Why? All they would have given up is a 1st this year and a 2nd next year. Other teams gave up more for less.

A 1st that'll probably bounce around the 3rd line and then be traded for a Snickers bar anyway.

Or a big defenseman that can't skate.

 

[CLW]

My concern is usually with 28+ with term. The country club sets in. It virtually always happens. The guys on short term not so much.

There is a large part of me that chalks this group up to stubbornness. We have seen for a couple years that when it goes their way it's great and when there is adversity they reeeeeally struggle. They are stubborn and continue to just do what they want whether it works or not, but as it fails they slump and their effort drops due to frustration. We are like the bolts before the bolts figured out they needed to be able to adapt and play through the challenges, the difference is the bolts were younger and on the upswing, our best players are not young.

This is another reason I was so annoyed with the regular season. Gallant has his way and he sticks to it, but what was needed was team growth. They had the entire season to try things out, experiment and make things interesting so they could grow like Tampa did. Instead they were happy to sleepwalk into a playoff spot. Lazy.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

The goal tonight doesn't happen without him.

Yep. Seemingly the only forward out there with enough sense to try to generate an ugly goal.

 

[will1066]

He had a good game two. That point tonight was nonsense and you know it.

He is less physically engaged than Panarin, which is nearly impossible, and gets almost zero respect from defenders because of it.

It’s one thing of the PP is working but it would be nice to be able to send some guys out to forecheck and punish people when it’s not.

Let's be frank. Out of Panarin, Kreider, Zibanejad, and Trocheck, our big four before Kane and Tarasenko, only the latter can consistently forecheck on the walls in a real grinding and punishing way. I'm not talking about chipping pucks along the walls to keep the play alive but rather actually playing the body.

 

[ReddestRum]

I'm really not f***ing buying that this organization is gimping our kids by putting them on the 3rd line, because if they were really worth the pedestal some people hold them to, they would be shredding their line counterparts. The kids are ordinary man.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Let me rephrase that. While still being on the NYR.

The point being, it's not always the lack of talent but a system and development issue with the Rangers itself. Their system is an offensive blackhole for development.

Topend players develop into those players with a team that lets them develop. Rangers want zone responsibility and benches youth after taking risks. That's part of the difference. We neuter creativity and risk instead of rewarding it.

Ding ding ding

We’ve asked them to develop into depth grinders and are now pissed they’ve developed into depth grinders

Nailed it.

The developmental philosophy of this organization for developing offensive talent has been historically punitive for not playing "the right way" and risk averse and therefore discourages creativity. The Rangers will never win a Cup with this philosophy unless a miracle like Connor McDavid pulling a Lindros to come here this summer happens.

I'm really not f***ing buying that this organization is gimping our kids by putting them on the 3rd line, because if they were really worth the pedestal some people hold them to, they would be shredding their line counterparts. The kids are ordinary man.

That the kids stink and that the organization is gimping development are not mutually exclusive by any means.