Detroit Redwings Downfall

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I think if they don't make playoffs next year I think it's over for Yzerman. The team was bad and had little assets. He built it up. Thing is you can only build it up so much before you have to restart.

Larkin is 28 if I am 28 I'd like some playoff action.

Raymond and Seider are on there first contracts which both look like steals as many other teams have similar contracts.

Detroit has 5 top prospects in the top 50. Time to get in the playoffs and make some noise.
 
I think if they don't make playoffs next year I think it's over for Yzerman. The team was bad and had little assets. He built it up. Thing is you can only build it up so much before you have to restart.

Larkin is 28 if I am 28 I'd like some playoff action.

Raymond and Seider are on there first contracts which both look like steals as many other teams have similar contracts.

Detroit has 5 top prospects in the top 50. Time to get in the playoffs and make some noise.

Larkin will be a retired hockey player and a new pro-scout for the Wings by the time "Yzerplan" starts taking shape...
 
Yes, it's cherrypicked. It's not the most egregious cherrypicked example (like that Thad Young thing) or anything like that, but of course it's cherry picked. Yes, he had the most points out of anyone who is 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 years old by finishing the year with 1 point more than Stutzle. Considering Raymond is at the high end of that 5-year age bracket, that likely means some people might think some of the ones on the younger side of that age bracket to perhaps have a bit more runway in terms of their development. Fair comment?

Yes, if you define his peers as "him and everyone younger than him" that's of course one thing. If you look at drafts two years prior and two years after so that his "peers" are more akin to one where he's in the mid-point age-wise, so 2018-2022 drafts, you have like Quinn Hughes, Jack Hughes, Brady Tkachuk, Tim Stutzle, Logan Cooley, Rasmus Dahlin, Matt Boldy, Andrei Svechnikov, Juraj Slafkovsky, Jake Sanderson, Kent Johnson, Evan Bouchard, Noah Dobson, Owen Power, Moritz Seider, Luke Hughes, Lane Hutson, Wyatt Johnston, Dylan Guenther, Matthew Knies, Cole Caufield, Kirill Marchenko, Logan Stankhoven, Aliaksei Protas, Seth Jarvis, Matthew Beniers, Alexis Lafreniere, Simon Edvinsson, William Eklund, Dylan Cozens, Mason McTavish, Joel Farabee, Dawson Mercer, Shane Wright, Pavel Mintyukov, Cutter Gauthier, Marco Kasper, Frank Nazar, Cole Sillinger, Brandt Clarke.. these are the guys that will always be +/- two years of age with him and likely have substantial overlapping primes. You can decide and squabble for yourself how he stacks up on a long-term basis with everyone in that group.

Expand it to U24 , U25 or U26 and where does he rank? He is still roughly top 5-7? in those age groups. Think the point was if he isn't "elite" at 28th in league scoring and top 5ish for anyone within a few years of his age... who is?
 
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Remains tbd?

Sure. I could care less about who is defined as "elite" or not. Its a word thrown around that means nothing. The truth is he is the most productive player of his age and is relatively speaking top 5 or so of anyone within a few years of his age at the moment. Doing so while also having less time on ice than basically anyone ahead of him regardless of age.

The list of players who scored more with less ice time this season.

Robertson, Duchene, Strome
 
Sure. I could care less about who is defined as "elite" or not. Its a word thrown around that means nothing. The truth is he is the most productive player of his age and is relatively speaking top 5 or so of anyone within a few years of his age at the moment. Doing so while also having less time on ice than basically anyone ahead of him regardless of age.

The list of players who scored more with less ice time this season.

Robertson, Duchene, Strome
Yeah he had had a very good season, not really sure what else you're after as far as appropriate levels of praise.
 
Sure. I could care less about who is defined as "elite" or not. Its a word thrown around that means nothing. The truth is he is the most productive player of his age and is relatively speaking top 5 or so of anyone within a few years of his age at the moment. Doing so while also having less time on ice than basically anyone ahead of him regardless of age.

The list of players who scored more with less ice time this season.

Robertson, Duchene, Strome

to be fair I don't think many people would describe Duchene or Strome as elite(or even Robertson if they were only looking at the last couple years and ignored his season 3 years ago)
 
Yzerman should try prying Quinn Hughes out of Van. Imagine Hughes and Seider together! Best D pairing in the league easy. Playoffs for sure. How far they going the playoffs would be the only question.
 
Yzerman should try prying Quinn Hughes out of Van. Imagine Hughes and Seider together! Best D pairing in the league easy. Playoffs for sure. How far they going the playoffs would be the only question.
Q Hughes is pretty much a NJD unless a Hughes brother ends somewhere else

All three brothers will be elite/franchise players (2 are already and Luke should be if he doesnt stagnate or suffer injuries). One team has two of them for a lot of years already and the oldest and best of the three at the moment is a UFA in 2 years.

Unless Luke ends up in DTR somehow I cant see Quinn going there instead of chasing the dream and playing on the Devils with his 2 brothers trying to win cups
 
Yzerman should try prying Quinn Hughes out of Van. Imagine Hughes and Seider together! Best D pairing in the league easy. Playoffs for sure. How far they going the playoffs would be the only question.

No need though, we have a guy ten times better in ASP coming up
 
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while I'm sure they have a good prospect pool there aren't any names except Kasper that really stand out and look like future top line players.
Detroit's prospects have been accused of this since 2019 though.

Ironically you don't seem to realize that Carter Mazur, who you keep hyping up due to his... 1 game played in the NHL... was also an "overage" pick. March '02 birthday, when the first time draft eligibles in the 2021 Draft were born September 16, 2002 through September 15, 2003.
You realize he's still 2 years younger than Moser, and again; would be playing if not for injury. Basing your argument almost entirely on a fluke injury is not a great look.

DCat has given them 67 and 70 point seasons, which is roughly what you expect out of him.
I don't get the sense Kasper/Danielson are expected to give you similar production as their 2 top guys.
Kasper played at a near 60 point pace the last half of the season. As a rookie with minimal PP time.

Yes, it's cherrypicked. It's not the most egregious cherrypicked example (like that Thad Young thing) or anything like that, but of course it's cherry picked. Yes, he had the most points out of anyone who is 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 years old by finishing the year with 1 point more than Stutzle. Considering Raymond is at the high end of that 5-year age bracket, that likely means some people might think some of the ones on the younger side of that age bracket to perhaps have a bit more runway in terms of their development. Fair comment?
No, unfair and incorrect.
Raymond was the top U25 scorer as well. Top 5 in U26 scoring. Top 10 in U27 scoring.

There is no way to move the goalposts that don't make Raymond highly impressive when compared against his peers, both those of the same age and those who are +/- 4 years of age.
 
& while I'm sure they have a good prospect pool there aren't any names except Kasper that really stand out and look like future top line players.
For what its worth, Kasper was ranked as Detroit's 4th best prospect on the Wings' board last offseason. He was also always ranked behind Edvinsson that you didn't mention and who was not included in that poll because he had just graduated, who looks like a top pairing defender in the NHL
 

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