Detroit Redwings Downfall

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Please do explain the criticism he “deserves” for his other 1st round picks?

I’ve already clearly stated there have been THREE impact players to date to come out of Rd 2 that you keep narrowing in on. Hes supposed to just make impact players come out of thin air?
Does average have to be a criticism? Kaspar is a young 3rd line player with second line upside at 7th overall - that's "fine"
Cossa is a decent goaltending prospect where the scouting report you shared to me said "dont give up on him". He has traits - but we haven't see production to say he is going to be an upper echelon starter in the league. Which, if I'm drafting him 15th overall, I'd want. Again - average pick, maybe he turns out well. ASP looks solid in Sweden - we need to see his game translate. He had a fine year, and dialed it up in the playoffs. Does his offense transition? We will need to see. Danielson looks ok, probably tops out as a middle six center. Maybe better, but I would be more confident in him being middle six. I'd rather take Benson at 9, or But, or Oliver Moore at 9. But again, average 9th overall pick.

Average doesnt mean criticism. It means average. If you have superstars and a great lineup, average can work well to keep a team rolling. When you are trying to build your team up to a winner, you need to hit on not just top 6 picks, but picks throughout the draft.

To your point about impact players, in 2019 Detroit picks at 34, 54, 60, 66 and gets a bottom pairing dman out of it. They miss on Lacombe, Hoglander, Kcohetkov, Korzcak, Vlasic, Struble, Helleson who were all selected after 34. They miss Zac Jones as a bottom pair option from the 3rd round. They miss Dorofeyev in the 3rd. Of course, every team misses players, but detroit deserves criticism when they had 4 picks from 34-66 and get one NHL player.

Again, I think Yzerman and Detroit have been C+ with their drafting over the last 5 drafts. Above average with their top 6 picks, ok with their mid first selections, and a lot to be desired over their remaining items
 
If other teams fans want to actually engage in some meaningful discussion:

Totally agree that there are some major holes on the roster. We need another 2 top 6 forwards, much better depth, and another 2 top 4 D, as someone else mentioned in here.

Here's one example path to that. They need to dump two of Compher, Copp, and Tarasenko, which should be a bit easier given the large rise in the cap. Attach assets to them if you have to to get them out the door. Sucks, and it's Yzerman's fault they're here anyway, but it is what it is. Say you can dump Compher and Tarasenko to a cap floor team.

Sign Bennett, Ehlers and Provorov this offseason. Promote ASP and Danielson, and try to get Buchelnikov out of his KHL contract. Try to sign a tougher depth piece like Trent Frederic.

Ehlers-Larkin-Raymond
DeBrincat-Kasper-Bennett
Danielson-Frederic-Buchelnikov
Copp-Rasmussen-Soderblom

Provorov-Seider
Edvinsson-ASP
Chiarot-Johansson
Holl

Talbot
Mrazek/Cossa

There's a clear path to competing next year that isn't completely out to lunch. Obviously adding better guys through trade would be even better. Yzerman did plenty of that in Tampa, it's now time for him to prove that he can do it in Detroit.

I'm not trying to burst bubbles, but the idea of signing Ehlers AND Bennett AND Provorov is out to lunch AND dinner. First off you've gotta clear about $10M in cap for that to happen. Then consider that a shit ton of teams will have cap to throw money at those guys, too.
 
I'm not trying to burst bubbles, but the idea of signing Ehlers AND Bennett AND Provorov is out to lunch AND dinner. First off you've gotta clear about $10M in cap for that to happen. Then consider that a shit ton of teams will have cap to throw money at those guys, too.
Sure, I guess. It's just one of many options. He just has to do something.
 
Did Nikishin and Demidov fulfill their contracts though? (I'm actually asking, I dunno) That's the issue with Buchelnikov. He's contracted through 25-26.
I really don't know. I think they both got out early but not a hill I'd die on. Kuzy just terminated a contract too. KHL is busy right now.
 
This was a cute way of trying to get in the last word while not actually responding to what was said at all, because you realize what you were claiming made zero sense.

Tell me more about how it was Holl and Petry and Chiarot and Copp and Compher whose outstanding play was keeping Detroit from being the worst team in the league.
No this is you being condescending which is silly when you're just flat out wrong. Lucas Raymond had 45 points in 2022-23, Moritz Seider had 42 points, you think they're the reason they had 21 more points than Columbus? You don't even understand your own team and who was on it and what players were acquired each offseason. You're saying the Wings were built to tank but just couldn't do it because they had a couple 21/20 year olds with 40-something points... so they were just destined to finish 24th? That's not how the NHL works.
 
I really don't know. I think they both got out early but not a hill I'd die on. Kuzy just terminated a contract too. KHL is busy right now.
Their contracts ended after this season 2024-25. Contracts in the KHL run until May, so they "got out early" by about a month. The KHL team (SKA in that instance) has to play nice to let them "terminate" early, but it'd be a pretty obnoxious thing to not do it considering their season ended with a playoff series loss. Had SKA made a deeper playoff run (the KHL Playoffs are in the 2nd round right now), then the NHL regular season would have completed prior to SKA terminating the deal.
 
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No this is you being condescending which is silly when you're just flat out wrong. Lucas Raymond had 45 points in 2022-23, Moritz Seider had 42 points, you think they're the reason they had 21 more points than Columbus? You don't even understand your own team and who was on it and what players were acquired each offseason. You're saying the Wings were built to tank but just couldn't do it because they had a couple 21/20 year olds with 40-something points... so they were just destined to finish 24th? That's not how the NHL works.
Yes. I very much think they're the reason lmao. Tell me more about how it's all those shit signings Yzerman made.

You stepped in shit. Just because you wanna backpedal out of it doesn't mean it's not still on your shoe. :thumbu:
 
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I feel like I'm pretty clear in my evaluation. Yzerman is good with top 6 picks, but has shown to be very average at best with the other first round picks and straight up poor with anything past the middle of the first round. How does he get a pass of "needs more time to evaluate" when he had 31 picks in 2019-2021 and of the 28 after the first round has 1 NHLer. 2019 players are in their D+5 years now...

I'm giving Yzerman credit for selecting good players at 4th and 6th overall. But you aren't giving him the criticism he deserves for his other picks in those drafts. As a neutral fan, can you say Yzerman did a good job in 2019/2020/2021 with his picks after the first round? And as I've stressed, he had more selections in that draft than ANY OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE. Yet, his result was very average in totality. Seider is a low end #1, Raymond is an average 1st line winger, and Edvinsson is a top 4 D with potential. That's great, and those are pieces. But he had 31 picks, and he got 3 very solid players.

Colorado, New Jersey, Ottawa had less picks, less top end picks, and still found impact players as well as NHLers in my examples. That was my point. If you draft one good player every draft, that means you need what, 10 drafts to make a team who can compete? Again, this is why I compare them to Buffalo, who drafted top end talent (with top 3 picks, but point still stands) but did nothing with the rest of their selections, and haven't made the playoffs in over a decade.

I'm more confident in Detroit not making the playoffs for another 2-3 seasons then I am them making the jump. They dont have enough talent on the team or in the ranks. Adding 1 young player every year isn't enough. You need more. And Yzerman in his 5 years, hasn't addressed that (not without trying, it's just he can't evaluate team building from what he has shown).
Your glazing of other teams drafting and ripping Detroits is so bad. They have less top end picks than Jersey? Who have a first overall, a 4th overall that both look great but then you talk about Holtz like he's a shining example of good drafting?

Ottawa has a 3rd, and 5th overall pick holding up their drafting on a pedestal, and have basically gotten 2 players outside of that.

And poor after anything outside the middle of the first round? For starters, nailing all your high picks is a great start and one of the only things worth judging right now. Late round picks in this time frame are still a while away in a lot of places. From his first draft hes got 2 legit NHLers outside the top 59 picks.

In 2020 there's about 3 impact NHLers that weren't first rounders. 2021 there's one right now, 2022 there's 2 etc. Right now there's only 2019 and 2020 worth judging any semblance of drafting on. 2019 looks really good at the high end and late rounds, 2020 he may have drafted the best player and the later rounds don't look great but Wallinder likely plays in the league. Other than that? You saying his drafting has been bad is just idiotic. Its way too early to judge late round drafting, and if anything, the wings being ranked so highly in prospect rankings says he's been doing well so far.

Rip his free agent signings? Definitely worth doing. Rip his trades? He's won more than he's lost but sure after the Walman trade go for it. Ripping into his drafting? Makes you look dumb. Detroit still has a top3-5 ranked prospect pool with players on the way
 
Yes. I very much think they're the reason lmao.
Then you're just flat out wrong.

Yzerman signed dudes good enough to get the team to 24th, not good enough to get the team to 15th. It is what it is. That's what happens when you go after middling free agents. You end up with good/not great prospects that will likely also be middling future versions of those free agents unless you get lucky along the way. This is why it's called "No Man's Land". Wings have been stuck in a decade of darkness, no playoffs in 9 straight years, last playoff series win 12 years ago and have an agressively "mid" looking future to show for it. An organization stuck in the mid-2000s just waiting around for some superstars to emerge from random spots in the draft and an entire team of homegrown players to dominate the NHL. Yzerman has been at the helm for 6 years of that in an organization filled with nepotism and his old buddies. That's where the criticism comes from. Good day.
 
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Your glazing of other teams drafting and ripping Detroits is so bad. They have less top end picks than Jersey? Who have a first overall, a 4th overall that both look great but then you talk about Holtz like he's a shining example of good drafting?

Ottawa has a 3rd, and 5th overall pick holding up their drafting on a pedestal, and have basically gotten 2 players outside of that.

And poor after anything outside the middle of the first round? For starters, nailing all your high picks is a great start and one of the only things worth judging right now. Late round picks in this time frame are still a while away in a lot of places. From his first draft hes got 2 legit NHLers outside the top 59 picks.

In 2020 there's about 3 impact NHLers that weren't first rounders. 2021 there's one right now, 2022 there's 2 etc. Right now there's only 2019 and 2020 worth judging any semblance of drafting on. 2019 looks really good at the high end and late rounds, 2020 he may have drafted the best player and the later rounds don't look great but Wallinder likely plays in the league. Other than that? You saying his drafting has been bad is just idiotic. Its way too early to judge late round drafting, and if anything, the wings being ranked so highly in prospect rankings says he's been doing well so far.

Rip his free agent signings? Definitely worth doing. Rip his trades? He's won more than he's lost but sure after the Walman trade go for it. Ripping into his drafting? Makes you look dumb. Detroit still has a top3-5 ranked prospect pool with players on the way
Do we just pass over that he had 31 picks from 2019-2021 and his hit rate was what 7 NHL players or prospects of 31? These guys are 22-24 years old. Maybe 1 or 2 more guys from that bunch hit their stride at 24 and become fringe bottom 6 guys. I was told Yzerman is a "great" drafting GM. Does that really define great? To me, he is slightly above average. But "Great"? No
 
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Their contracts ended after this season 2024-25. Contracts in the KHL run until May, so they "got out early" by about a month. The KHL team (SKA in that instance) has to play nice to let them "terminate" early, but it'd be a pretty obnoxious thing to not do it considering their season ended with a playoff series loss. Had SKA made a deeper playoff run (the KHL Playoffs are in the 2nd round right now), then the NHL regular season would have completed prior to SKA terminating the deal.
Thank you.. so no hope for Buch?
 
Then you're just flat out wrong.

Yzerman signed dudes good enough to get the team to 24th, not good enough to get the team to 15th. It is what it is. That's what happens when you go after middling free agents. You end up with good/not great prospects that will likely also be middling future versions of those free agents unless you get lucky along the way. This is why it's called "No Man's Land". Wings have been stuck in a decade of darkness, no playoffs in 9 straight years, last playoff series win 12 years ago and have an agressively "mid" looking future to show for it. An organization stuck in the mid-2000s just waiting around for some superstars to emerge from random spots in the draft and an entire team of homegrown players to dominate the NHL. Yzerman has been at the helm for 6 years of that in an organization filled with nepotism and his old buddies. That's where the criticism comes from. Good day.

Holl "Good enough". Petry "Good enough." Copp "Good enough". Compher "Good enough".

Incredible all these "Good enough" signings by Yzerman that we've been hearing for years were shit. Now when you wanna say we should've tanked they're "Good enough".

OK my guy. :thumbu:
 
Does average have to be a criticism? Kaspar is a young 3rd line player with second line upside at 7th overall - that's "fine"
Cossa is a decent goaltending prospect where the scouting report you shared to me said "dont give up on him". He has traits - but we haven't see production to say he is going to be an upper echelon starter in the league. Which, if I'm drafting him 15th overall, I'd want. Again - average pick, maybe he turns out well. ASP looks solid in Sweden - we need to see his game translate. He had a fine year, and dialed it up in the playoffs. Does his offense transition? We will need to see. Danielson looks ok, probably tops out as a middle six center. Maybe better, but I would be more confident in him being middle six. I'd rather take Benson at 9, or But, or Oliver Moore at 9. But again, average 9th overall pick.

Average doesnt mean criticism. It means average. If you have superstars and a great lineup, average can work well to keep a team rolling. When you are trying to build your team up to a winner, you need to hit on not just top 6 picks, but picks throughout the draft.

To your point about impact players, in 2019 Detroit picks at 34, 54, 60, 66 and gets a bottom pairing dman out of it. They miss on Lacombe, Hoglander, Kcohetkov, Korzcak, Vlasic, Struble, Helleson who were all selected after 34. They miss Zac Jones as a bottom pair option from the 3rd round. They miss Dorofeyev in the 3rd. Of course, every team misses players, but detroit deserves criticism when they had 4 picks from 34-66 and get one NHL player.

Again, I think Yzerman and Detroit have been C+ with their drafting over the last 5 drafts. Above average with their top 6 picks, ok with their mid first selections, and a lot to be desired over their remaining items
1. Kasper was picked 8th, and getting a 2nd line C at 8 is a great pick.

2. Cossa is rated the 4th best goalie prospect in the world. Again, if that’s just a questionable pick then what does that make every other goalie prospect?

3. ASP is literally a top 10 prospect in the world on the rankings. You think that’s still a questionable pick at 17. If your definition of a good prospect is someone who’s established themselves in the NHL, the apparently players like Demidov are just questionable, right? Michkov was a questionable pick before this season? ASP is literally setting records in the SHL and the was the first D in like 20 years to win back to back top WJC D awards. But sure, that’s an average pick :laugh:

4. You’re basing your definition of Danielsons pick on your own personal feelings. None of the players you listed that you think are better picks have done anything better than what you project Danielson to be. That’s like me saying I think Montreal has been terrible at drafting because I feel like MBN is a better pick than Demidov. It’s not actual reality yet.

5. This is going to be absolutely hilarious to revisit.
 
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Lindholm had a few 70+ point seasons. I don’t think Bennett has one 50+ point season. Bennett isn’t getting 9+.

Second, Kasper’s not going to the bottom 6 to develop with Tarasenko, Berggren, Rasmussen, Copp, Compher and whatever other trash the wings have there next year. He’s already better than these bums. The second line has scored decently with him there even if he’s been cold a couple of games. Raymond and Larkin stopped scoring the second he moved off their line.

Your take is bad.

I don't think he'll get 9+, but 8+ with term is entirely possible.

And I don't think Detroit should try and sign Bennett. I think that other free agents or trade targets would be better fits for the organization going forward.

Kasper has looked amazing since the new year and could be a long-term 2C for Detroit.

Danielson I see as a high-end middle-6 center too in a couple years, once Copp slides down the lineup. Danielson hasn't produced an incredible amount in the AHL but regularly flashes good skill and intelligence, and I think he could actually get started on the Red Wings on a line with Kasper next season or on a lower line if need be.

People get uselessly worried about Larkin's prime years slowly being whittled-away, but I think he can maintain his level of play as a #1C for another 4-5 years before maybe needing some help or moving down to the second-line.

Those 3 should all be part of the short and mid-term Red Wings teams. Larkin I believe could be a long-term piece in a slightly reduced role over time, kind of like what happened with Jamie Benn over the course of his career in Dallas.

And the reason I'm saying all this is to highlight the pretty obvious fact (at least to me) that the Red Wings should try and bolster their wing depth as well as defensive options if possible, not the center-ice position specifically.

As far as the wingers go on the Red Wings, aside from Raymond and DeBrincat there are not many that I genuinely like.

Kane is amazing on the powerplay but isn't nearly as good 5-on-5. He may also retire this offseason, so that opens a bit of a hole on the Red Wings' wing, pun intended.

Tarasenko hasn't been good this season and so should be a bottom-6 option only for one last contract year before being unceremoniously let go of.

Rasmussen isn't consistent nor the smartest player on the ice so a top-6 role for him would be suboptimal for the team for the foreseeable future.

Berggren is talented but is more of a complementary piece to a top-6 at this point given how he still struggles to create space for himself at the NHL level or fight through contact.

Elmer Soderblom has some very nice attributes and an incredible frame but is still quite raw as a player. I'd give him a third-line role next year, but maybe with some development he could eventually end up as a space-creator for more talented teammates.

A guy like MBN still needs at least a year before he's ready for the show, but could be a second-line power-winger, or maybe even a facilitator on a top-line if all goes well for him.

Carter Mazur and Amadeus Lombardi have acquitted themselves pretty well at the AHL level, but both are unproven at this point and should start down the lineup if they even make the Red Wings out of camp next season.

So yeah, there are definitely at least 3 spots to fill at forward next year for the Wings, and I think guys like Duchene, Ehlers, or Donato would be smarter grabs as UFAs to play them at wing rather than signing a guy like Bennett, whose playstyle may not age gracefully.

On the defensive side, I think Seider, Edvinsson, and Johansson are pretty firmly entrenched as top-4 options, with ASP joining them as soon as next season in my opinion. Holl and Chiarot as deserving 3rd-pairing options.

Not much to change there in my opinion, unless the Wings manage to grab a higher-end veteran (not of the Chiarot/Holl variety) to insulate the Johanssons and ASPs of the world.

At the goalie position, Cossa and Augustine are the future but may require another year at least before they're ready.

Overall, I still think people are WAY overreacting to a slight step-back in the rebuild process for Detroit.

There is no "downfall" to speak of, just people that had their unrealistic expectations unmet after a year where Detroit overachieved and nearly made the playoffs.

And I actually think this exact-same scenario could unfold next season if Montreal experiences a stumble and fails to make the playoffs two seasons in a row.

If not for HfBoards' typical overreaction spree, this would be a nothing-burger.
 
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Holl "Good enough". Petry "Good enough." Copp "Good enough". Compher "Good enough".

Incredible all these "Good enough" signings by Yzerman that we've been hearing for years were shit. Now when you wanna say we should've tanked they're "Good enough".

OK my guy. :thumbu:
That’s what’s always the most hilarious. High UFA signings are both horrible (they are) AND great players to be gaining them 15-20pts in the standings.
 
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Yzerman hasn’t been here for 9 years…

His drafts have actually been very good. He got the 1st or 2nd best player in the 2019,2020 & 2021 drafts despite picking 6th, 4th and 6th while also having one of the current top prospect pools in the NHL.

His trades have either been very bad (walman, maybe Petry but it was also just a 3rd) very good (Mantha, Debrincat, Bertuzzi) or inconsequential (Veleno, Maatta, etc)

His UFA signings have been hilariously bad though. The only half decent one has been Ghost.
I think you're severely overrating Raymond and Edvinsson if you think they go 2nd let alone 1st in their re-drafts. You're correct about Seider though.
 
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1. Kasper was picked 8th, and getting a 2nd line C at 8 is a great pick.

2. Cossa is rated the 4th best goalie prospect in the world. Again, if that’s just a questionable pick then what does that make every other goalie prospect?

3. ASP is literally a top 10 prospect in the world on the rankings. You think that’s still a questionable pick at 17. If your definition of a good prospect is someone who’s established themselves in the NHL, the apparently players like Demidov are just questionable, right? Michkov was a questionable pick before this season? ASP is literally setting records in the SHL and the was the first D in like 20 years to win back to back top WJC D awards. But sure, that’s an average pick :laugh:

4. You’re basing your definition of Danielsons pick on your own personal feelings. None of the players you listed that you think are better picks have done anything better than what you project Danielson to be. That’s like me saying I think Montreal has been terrible at drafting because I feel like MBN is a better pick than Demidov. It’s not actual reality yet.

5. This is going to be absolutely hilarious to revisit.
Someone doth protest too much
 
No this is you being condescending which is silly when you're just flat out wrong. Lucas Raymond had 45 points in 2022-23, Moritz Seider had 42 points, you think they're the reason they had 21 more points than Columbus? You don't even understand your own team and who was on it and what players were acquired each offseason. You're saying the Wings were built to tank but just couldn't do it because they had a couple 21/20 year olds with 40-something points... so they were just destined to finish 24th? That's not how the NHL works.
Yes. You didn't watch the team. We did. Seider especially was the only reason the team wasn't dead last. Hardest deployment in the entire NHL and held his own in it. Any other defensemen on the team playing his role (ie, if he wasn't there), we would have been scored on much, much more.

you have zero understanding of the wings yet keep posting in here with the same completely uninformed tankes. its incredible really
 
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I think you're severely overrating Raymond and Edvinsson if you think they go 2nd let alone 1st in their re-drafts. You're correct about Seider though.
There are literally threads on here you can check yourself… right?

Raymond is leading the draft class in scoring the last two seasons…

Edvinsson is already playing like a top pair D at 22. It’s basically between him and Hughes at this point, and really comes down to personal preference on type of player. Jonson could also be a choice here, but in the 2021 redraft thread it’s been pretty much just those two as choices.
 
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I don't think he'll get 9+, but 8+ with term is entirely possible.

And I don't think Detroit should try and sign Bennett. I think that other free agents or trade targets would be better fits for the organization going forward.

Kasper has looked amazing since the new year and could be a long-term 2C for Detroit.

Danielson I see as a high-end middle-6 center too in a couple years, once Copp slides down the lineup. Danielson hasn't produced an incredible amount in the AHL but regularly flashes good skill and intelligence, and I think he could actually get started on the Red Wings on a line with Kasper next season or on a lower line if need be.

People get uselessly worried about Larkin's prime years slowly being whittled-away, but I think he can maintain his level of play as a #1C for another 4-5 years before maybe needing some help or moving down to the second-line.

Those 3 should all be part of the short and mid-term Red Wings teams. Larkin I believe could be a long-term piece in a slightly reduced role over time, kind of like what happened with Jamie Benn over the course of his career in Dallas.

And the reason I'm saying all this is to highlight the pretty obvious fact (at least to me) that the Red Wings should try and bolster their wing depth as well as defensive options if possible, not the center-ice position specifically.

As far as the wingers go on the Red Wings, aside from Raymond and DeBrincat there are not many that I genuinely like.

Kane is amazing on the powerplay but isn't nearly as good 5-on-5. He may also retire this offseason, so that opens a bit of a hole on the Red Wings' wing, pun intended.

Tarasenko hasn't been good this season and so should be a bottom-6 option only for one last contract year before being unceremoniously let go of.

Rasmussen isn't consistent nor the smartest player on the ice so a top-6 role for him would be suboptimal for the team for the foreseeable future.

Berggren is talented but is more of a complementary piece to a top-6 at this point given how he still struggles to create space for himself at the NHL level or fight through contact.

Elmer Soderblom has some very nice attributes and an incredible frame but is still quite raw as a player. I'd give him a third-line role next year, but maybe with some development he could eventually end up as a space-creator for more talented teammates.

A guy like MBN still needs at least a year before he's ready for the show, but could be a second-line power-winger, or maybe even a facilitator on a top-line if all goes well for him.

Carter Mazur and Amadeus Lombardi have acquitted themselves pretty well at the AHL level, but both are unproven at this point and should start down the lineup if they even make the Red Wings out of camp next season.

So yeah, there are definitely at least 3 spots to fill at forward next year for the Wings, and I think guys like Duchene, Ehlers, or Donato would be smarter grabs as UFAs to play them at wing rather than signing a guy like Bennett, whose playstyle may not age gracefully.

On the defensive side, I think Seider, Edvinsson, and Johansson are pretty firmly entrenched as top-4 options, with ASP joining them as soon as next season in my opinion. Holl and Chiarot as deserving 3rd-pairing options.

Not much to change there in my opinion, unless the Wings manage to grab a higher-end veteran (not of the Chiarot/Holl variety) to insulate the Johanssons and ASPs of the world.

At the goalie position, Cossa and Augustine are the future but may require another year at least before they're ready.

Overall, I still think people are WAY overreacting to a slight step-back in the rebuild process for Detroit.

There is no "downfall" to speak of, just people that had their unrealistic expectations unmet after a year where Detroit overachieved and nearly made the playoffs.

And I actually think this exact-same scenario could unfold next season if Montreal experiences a stumble and fails to make the playoffs two seasons in a row.

If not for HfBoards' typical overreaction spree, this would be a nothing-burger.
Fantastic post, very well reasoned criticisms and a good take overall.
 
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