Fatass
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How does Yzerman acquire the elite star player those clubs have, that he’s currently missing?
Golden_Jet
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Took leafs over a decade, and no-one thinks the wings are being built like Florida.
I do think we're nearing that point, but not quite there yet.
In all reality, it depends on the age of the player. Yzerman ain't giving up a 1st or top prospect for a 30 year old right now. He might (And absolutely should) do that for a guy like Bo Byram, though.
SirKillalot
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Go and show where someone has said this team gonna win the Cup first time they get into the playoffs, we all will wait.
Can disprove you right there. This management has direction according to a plan they have made to build through the draft. You don't have to agree with the plan. Feel free to come with solutions of what they should have done in stead of "get better players". Concrete examples of what it would have taken. Which players signed in FA. Which players traded for and what do you give up for those who would make it happen.
Didn't take long at all to disprove you.
Because he has some good numbers in SHL? You based all your arguments on stats.
Were any of these trades? Doesn't even answer on what was discussed.
Fatass
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Yup. That’s my thinking too. Vegas got a devalued Eichel by trade (he was an huge risk) and signed Pietrangelo as a UFA. That got them their elite 1C and elite 1 D.
Not too sure who is out there Yzerman could target to fill those spots? But (imo) those are the two key roles he needs to fill. Can ASP be the elite 1D? Can Yzerman find a devalued 1C still in his prime?
To say Yzerman has zero direction is laughable. You can not agree with the direction if you choose, but there very clearly is one.
I'm guessing the same guy that made that ignorant comment also complains that Yzerman wont trade for help and uses all his picks to draft "High floor low ceiling 200 ft players"... Which kinda sounds like a direction.
I'm guessing the same guy that made that ignorant comment also complains that Yzerman wont trade for help and uses all his picks to draft "High floor low ceiling 200 ft players"... Which kinda sounds like a direction.
SirKillalot
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This is the question no one of those "critical thinkers" have any response to whatsoever.
They choose to deflect then and respond with "I'm not the GM, so I'm not the not that need to answer that".
One will get to that point, but first one have to get enough youngsters of age where it gets decided who are they pushing and who are they trading/sacrifying for the better of the overall team.
Vegas took big risk in Eichel and it panned out. They also had I'd say good indications that it could work out like the plan was for the operation. The other was timing. Which is what one kind of waiting for here too, the patience of waiting for the right timing. Though as many think, there needs to be a risk element at some point of a trade or signing, or multiple on someone that either is young-ish with still much upside that hasn't come out yet, or a rebound option. Or that big FA that see what's going on here.
Of course those who don't believe in the plan don't need to come and praise such a signing when it happens as they not on board anyway.
Its been quite evident that the team is being built based on some kind of hybrid idea of inbetween how Tampa is and how Boston has been. Closer to Boston in terms of lacking more high end attacking minded profiles for now, less physicality and closer to Tampa in regards to wanting to get more skill into the lineup and level up when everything comes together, but unless the youngsters develop to be higher profile player or you can't sign/trade for who want for now, its built on when players are old enough and the team is getting together in terms of age / chemistry etc being a team who's 200ft players who are difficult to play against.
You see that at times already now, and have seen it from time to time over the last 2-3 seasons, its getting there.
I was more thinking a STL like team where it was just a bunch of workhorses that beat you down.
Yyzerman is that guy driving 60mph in the left lane in a 75mph zone ... with his left blinker on.
But, yeah, he's generally going in the same direction as the rest of the traffic.
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swiftwin
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The opposite is also a problem. If you constantly neglect the short term in favor of the long term, a losing culture can set in, and your young players don't develop properly.
Acquiring and drafting young players and prospects is only half the battle. You still have to develop them. It's really hard to develop young players in a losing culture.
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Wings miss the playoffs again?
You hate to see it
You hate to see it
WarriorofTime
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Yzerman’s decision to “build through the draft” is a bit confusing as to why he only tanked once and never got a top 3 pick, then promptly gave up on the tank. The wings have spent multiple years in a position of not making the playoffs and not being in a spot to draft the most highly regarded draft prospects. This is commonly cited as “no man’s land” and often considered the worst place to be within a team’s cycle. If Yzerman’s “plan” hinges on finding his superstars with like the tenth overall pick that’s not much of a plan, that’s just hoping to get lucky.
If you think the intention was to compete in those years where Danny DeKeyser with a broken down back was our #1D, I dunno what to tell you.
WarriorofTime
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Sounds like Yzerman can't tank when he intends to, can't make the playoffs when he intends to. Sounds like a GM not doing his job well.
I like how you went after everything but the point.
WarriorofTime
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huh, the point appears to be that they tried to tank but it didn't work and they ended up in no man's land, not sure what other "point" I missed
RedHawkDown
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For the 1000th time, the only years where tanking would have made any difference since Yzerman got here are 2023 and 2024. And in order to be bad enough to get a top3 pick in those years, they would have had to trade 2/3 of Larkin, Seider and Raymond. 2022, only person I'd clearly take over Kasper at this point is Cooley. 2021, 2020, and 2019 their picks are all top 4/5 in a redraft. I'm not sure how you can do much better at the top of the draft.
WarriorofTime
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If Yzerman is good at nailing 6th and 8th overall picks, imagine how good he'd be nailing 1st and 2nd overall picks.
RedHawkDown
still trying to trust the yzerplan
OK. Tell me who in 2019, 2020, and 2021 they would have taken 1st or 2nd overall that would change the makeup of the team?
Hughes in 2019. Lafreniere or Byfield in 2020. Owen Power in 2021. Are we a better team today with 1st overall in each of these drafts? I think not. Edvinsson > Power, Hughes>Seider, and Raymond >> Lafreniere.
Not sure you have any idea what you're on about. For the 1001st time now, drafting in the first round/tanking has not been Detroit's problem, at all.
Look at the other teams in the Atlantic that you people keep parroting have passed Detroit:
Montreal - Slafkovsky 1st overall, but he's hardly the cornerstone of their rebuild. What is? A phenomenal trade in acquiring Nick Suzuki, excellent 2nd round draft pick in Lane Hutson, a great trade in acquiring Laine, and then a great top 5 pick in Demidov who's looking fantastic.
Ottawa - Stutzle was great at 3rd, then there are no other top 3 picks that matter for them. Team is built on otherwise good top 5 drafting + good free agent/trades (Ullmark being a big one, and Cozens looking good there).
Tanking isn't the answer when they already got top 2-3 players from each of the years they could have conceivably tanked. The issue, as now countless Wings fans have said, is bad pro scouting (leading to bad UFA and meh trades), and not-good-enough 2nd-round and later drafting. You are simply completely wrong here.
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WarriorofTime
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Are you being for real? You think the Wings got the best player in 2019, 2020 and 2021 drafts? Now, let's say your massive homer take is accurate, that's the "luck" factor. It means the Devils goofed up taking Jack Hughes, the Senators goofed up taking Tim Stutzle, etc. or perhaps more likely, someone like the Rangers didn't goof up taking Lafreniere and it was the right pick at the time, but he just didn't develop as well.
Homerism aside, nobody has to take any specific player.
Now do 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025. The Wings have been in No Man's Land for four seasons. That's just a fact. One year there is fine when the team is in a transitory state. 4 straight years? That's as bad a spot to be as possible. Maybe Kasper and Danielson become superstars anyways and it all works out. Sometimes you get lucky. But the reality is if they were projected that way, they would have been off the board already. That's just how the draft works.
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They are able to draft NHLers with their 1st rounders but looking at their drafts since 2017, they’ve got nothing from the 2nd round on, other than Joe Veleno who is a 4th liner. So they’ve tried to expedite the rebuild by filling these holes with mediocre veterans and it’s just not the way to build a competitive team.
RedHawkDown
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I didn't say that at all. You just made up a point that I never said. I said taking the top player from each of those drafts doesn't have the Wings in a better position.
You are out to lunch if you're honestly telling me "nobody has to take any specific player" when comparing guys like Raymond and Lafreniere, lol. I guess nobody has to take any specific player when comparing Bedard and Will Smith then?
My entire f***ing point is that 22/23/24/25 are impossible to have tanked for a top-3 pick unless the Wings traded Seider and Raymond, because those guys were too good for the team to be that bad again. Can you please explain your rebuttal to this point? (You have none.)
Curious what else they were supposed to do beyond pulling the goalie for the whole 3rd.
Keep trying.
