NyQuil
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For this year maybe.
Prognosticating that Ottawa is a perennial playoff team because they are currently in a wild card spot after missing the playoffs for 7 years is pretty bold.
For this year maybe.
Prognosticating that Ottawa is a perennial playoff team because they are currently in a wild card spot after missing the playoffs for 7 years is pretty bold.
It’s not officially documented anywhere, but the rumbling that came from the Walman trade was nothing but positive from the locker room and coaching staff.
Not sure what he did to be so hated, but he somehow managed to become a cancer in the locker room. Maybe he stole Larkin’s cheerios one morning, who knows.
I liked him on the wings, thought he was fun to watch with his cheeky gritty celebration, but when I heard from an ex-wings player in the offseason who was apart of the team that somebody (who he couldn’t name) that played on the blue line really caused lockeroom issues in the midst of the playoff run, I knew right away who it was when the trade had happened.
Good for San Jose on capitalizing on the opportunity. That organization made out like bandits in that trade. Turned one times problem into gold.
Am I concerned about the move the GM made to keep the locker room and coaching staff happy? No not at all. It was a hard decision, but he was traded for futures for a reason. That reason is to remind the locker room that no one man is greater than the team.
Also, I don’t think Detroit would have ever been able to receive a first rounder for Walman in the series of any events anyways. So at the end of the day even neglecting the fact that he was potentially a big problem in the room, it’s not as bad as some make it out to be.
RedHawkDown
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The Hronek thing has been beat to death but it seems like nobody believes us. Look, I’m sure my fellow wings fans will tell you I’m one of the Yzerman doomers on the wings board and I’m not a fan of his work overall. But the Hronek trade was seen as fantastic at the time it happened by pretty much every wings fan for a reason - he was not at all the player he’s been in Vancouver in Detroit. Could he have become that? We don’t know. Maybe it took playing with a Hart level defenseman in Hughes to unlock that potential in him, who knows. But if Yzerman gave 7M to the guy Hronek was in Detroit, I would have been furious. We are very happy with the 1st and the fact that it turned into ASP who is looking phenomenal is a gigantic cherry on top.
I don’t like Yzermans trades and generally think he’s extremely overhyped, but it’s possible for a trade to be a win-win. This was one of those trades. I’m glad Hronek is doing well in Vancouver and I don’t want him back.
Go look for yourself, the vast majority of people saying they don’t get why Canucks did this and that it seems expensive: Confirmed Trade: - [VAN/DET] Filip Hronek and 2023 4th round pick for 2023 NYI 1st round pick and 2023 2nd round pick
I don’t like Yzermans trades and generally think he’s extremely overhyped, but it’s possible for a trade to be a win-win. This was one of those trades. I’m glad Hronek is doing well in Vancouver and I don’t want him back.
Go look for yourself, the vast majority of people saying they don’t get why Canucks did this and that it seems expensive: Confirmed Trade: - [VAN/DET] Filip Hronek and 2023 4th round pick for 2023 NYI 1st round pick and 2023 2nd round pick
Just Linda
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Its weird arguing for the Senators with a Sens fan but I'll bite :p
They have to replace Giroux, they have to add a top 4 dman, they have to add a back-up goalie. They'll have just over 20 million to do that.
Im not too worried about the Sens moving forward. I don't think ceiling is too high due to their RD situation + lack of secondary scoring but I think aggressive free agency will get them to be a decade of early playoff exits.
Czechboy
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every team does favors? this is common practice in professional sports? Can you give me some other recent NHL examples?
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A basic one is the concept of deals with future considerations aspects. Most are left unfulfilled forever.
Every change of scenery trade pretty much, every time a player is signed for a 1d or whatever "retire" contract so they can retire from a specific team. Players being released from contracts so they can pursue a contract somewhere else because they couldn't meet expectation?
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Whoever the 2nd wild card team is/ say new jersey has a down year lots of unforseen things may happen.
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The sens have 18.44 mill in cap space to fill 10 spots next year.
4 forwards, 2 dmen, 1 G, 3 scratches.
RedHawkDown
still trying to trust the yzerplan
Czechboy
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So no examples of anything similar. Remember, a 2nd rounder was included. Then the player was flipped for a first rounder. Grier got a 1st rounder, a 3/4 season of Walman and a 2nd rounder for absolutely nothing. That is spectacular GMing for a rebuilding team. Giving away players with value (whether you like him or not, he just netted a 1st round pick and clearly had value) and picks is the exact opposite of that.
I’ve felt for the majority of this thread that people are blowing things way out of proportion…but I think as a neutral watching them tonight…things are starting to feel more than a bit stinky.
There’s young talent for sure and prospects on the way but something about the overall construct to this team and lack of leadership and grit and lack of ability to “turn the corner” is giving me Sabres situation vibes, despite the talent of the youth on paper. What you don’t want is to bring all these young guys up in a poor environment…Edvinsson for example…pretty bad tonight. Could just be an off game for a really talented young player who for the most part has been very good this year, but when poor decision making and effort start to become systemic, it’s a worrying situation.
I think the core is still very promising - but at some point Yzerman has to stop with the multi-year deals to middling vets and the assumption that the “youth wave” is just going to win the day eventually, and do something bolder. Otherwise this franchise is going to remain stuck, I fear.
It’s going to be a make-or-break summer in Detroit IMO.
There’s young talent for sure and prospects on the way but something about the overall construct to this team and lack of leadership and grit and lack of ability to “turn the corner” is giving me Sabres situation vibes, despite the talent of the youth on paper. What you don’t want is to bring all these young guys up in a poor environment…Edvinsson for example…pretty bad tonight. Could just be an off game for a really talented young player who for the most part has been very good this year, but when poor decision making and effort start to become systemic, it’s a worrying situation.
I think the core is still very promising - but at some point Yzerman has to stop with the multi-year deals to middling vets and the assumption that the “youth wave” is just going to win the day eventually, and do something bolder. Otherwise this franchise is going to remain stuck, I fear.
It’s going to be a make-or-break summer in Detroit IMO.
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I still think Wing's can make it. But if your argument is that the Koala is the key and how great they've been and he should have been hired earlier.. well, he's also coached them to this record in the last 10.
I didn't think it was possible to be worse than my Oilers since the 4 nations ended:
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The Red WIngs have not had anyone designated as head of pro scouting since Mark Howe retired in 2021.
RedHawkDown
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I watched almost all of his games in the NHL in Detroit. He sucked.
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Pavels Dog
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Nothing you said really adressed the point. The trade wasn't about last season or this season. It's about going forward. Edvinsson won't be on an ELC forever and if you don't view Detroit with Walman+Hronek as a cup contender last season or this season then what would really be the point? Losing 1st round isn't the end goal of the rebuild. You can disagree with the strategy, but Yzerman is looking at the long term, not desperately trying to make the playoffs once.
Ottawa and Montreal currently hold the wildcards and I'd challenge anyone who views them as perennial playoff locks because they're in at the 67 game mark this season.
Looking higher up, New Jersey's not too far from being involved in the wildcard battle. In the end, things will change at some point. What if Ottawa takes another step and becomes a 100+ point team and pushes Tampa or Toronto down the standings?
Don't be a pedantic dick, it's a distinction without a difference, you've been on these forums long enough to have seen the trades I'm referencing. The odds of a second rounder becoming a player is slim at best. GMs operate in the real world, if you add a small token onto something to get rid of it sooner, you do it, specially if there is reason to get rid of it and everything points to said reason existing. Why are you so infatuated with a replacement level player who doesn't matter? Or is it just that you can't find anything else to bitch about so you harp on this point over and over? Here's a reality check for you, Walman doesn't matter and a 2nd round pick doesn't matter, what do you get when you put them together? Nothing, because neither are worth shit.
TRASHCAT
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They looked like they were sleepwalking towards the playoffs last night. Well until they totally collapsed
Pavels Dog
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Idk, I see none of the rot or systematic problems of a Sabres situation.
For the most part the players the team is building around are performing up to expectations or more. Detroit loses far more games because of one of the league's worst 3rd pairings than they do because rookie Edvinsson has an off night.
I think that's why he was conservative last summer. Probably could have re-signed Gostisbehere/Perron if he was willing to give them term, might have been able to land Stamkos, might have been in on Roy. He just didn't seem interested in going mid-to-long term on those kinds of players.
What do they have now?
Compher 3 more years.
Copp 2 more years.
Tarasenko 1 more year.
Chiarot, Holl, Gustafsson 1 more year.
The Gr8 Dane
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I mean if you just asked instead of stat watched you'd know that the clear top four since Todd took over has been Chiarot/Seider and Edvinsson/AlJo.
Gustafsson is hot garbage.
saska sault
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I may not speak for the majority of Wings fans but this season is shaking down pretty much how it was predicted. Playing meaningful games down the stretch, close to the final wild card... unfortunately looking more likely they will miss as each game passes.
The positives - Core guys all look good, and signed to to nice deals for the most part. Larkin and Raymond have been more cold than hot since 4 nations, but that should not be an excuse. Other teams had their top guys at the same tournament. Edvinsson & Johansson look legit, Ed like a guy who will run his own top 4 pairing and AlJo as a real nice partner/low maintenance guy. Kasper looks like a gem and great value for where they ended up in that draft. The way he has played the second half of the season between the top line and now playing middle between Kane & Debrincat is encouraging. His tenacity and skill are both equal parts of what makes him effective.
Negatives - Bottom 6 is garbage and some of those guys need to play up the line up. Half the defense is also garbage although I personally do not mind Chiarot the majority of games. He is far from the problem that Gus, Holl, Petry have been. Goaltending has been hit or miss second half of the season but thanfully... no one is signed long term. Mrazek is always going to be hot & cold but after July 1st having him & Talbot signed to for 1 year may be the lesser of all the evils available of the goaltending market.
End of the day... Larkin, Raymond, Seider are all signed to nice long term deals. Cap flexibility for future years and they own all their own picks going forward. Likely this is finally the off season that most fans (or outside watchers) have been waiting for. Yzerman will get aggressive, he gave McLellan time to evaluate the roster and what guys can work and what guys need to be moved on from. Should have 22-23? million to work with in the off season without any other potential moves.. lots of flexibility to cut the fat off the team & improve.
Is it flashy and sexy? Nope. But progression has been steady and constantly moving forward so its going the right direction. This season seems lateral but the fact the young guys have stepped up and they have not sunk in the standings is enough to show the ship is still going in the right direction, for me anyways. The future of the team is not the current problem, its the place holders. Yzerman has not done a good job of finding guys that can produce results in those spots. Its strange to say but the Copp signing isn't looking too bad these days, the team sorely misses him and Compher has not been able to reproduce what he brought to the table so far to finish this season.
I am sure someone is going to tell me that is not good enough, the core is flawed, the Yzerplan gets too much of a free pass, drafting 10-15 is a trap you get stuck in for eternity, etc. , etc.
The positives - Core guys all look good, and signed to to nice deals for the most part. Larkin and Raymond have been more cold than hot since 4 nations, but that should not be an excuse. Other teams had their top guys at the same tournament. Edvinsson & Johansson look legit, Ed like a guy who will run his own top 4 pairing and AlJo as a real nice partner/low maintenance guy. Kasper looks like a gem and great value for where they ended up in that draft. The way he has played the second half of the season between the top line and now playing middle between Kane & Debrincat is encouraging. His tenacity and skill are both equal parts of what makes him effective.
Negatives - Bottom 6 is garbage and some of those guys need to play up the line up. Half the defense is also garbage although I personally do not mind Chiarot the majority of games. He is far from the problem that Gus, Holl, Petry have been. Goaltending has been hit or miss second half of the season but thanfully... no one is signed long term. Mrazek is always going to be hot & cold but after July 1st having him & Talbot signed to for 1 year may be the lesser of all the evils available of the goaltending market.
End of the day... Larkin, Raymond, Seider are all signed to nice long term deals. Cap flexibility for future years and they own all their own picks going forward. Likely this is finally the off season that most fans (or outside watchers) have been waiting for. Yzerman will get aggressive, he gave McLellan time to evaluate the roster and what guys can work and what guys need to be moved on from. Should have 22-23? million to work with in the off season without any other potential moves.. lots of flexibility to cut the fat off the team & improve.
Is it flashy and sexy? Nope. But progression has been steady and constantly moving forward so its going the right direction. This season seems lateral but the fact the young guys have stepped up and they have not sunk in the standings is enough to show the ship is still going in the right direction, for me anyways. The future of the team is not the current problem, its the place holders. Yzerman has not done a good job of finding guys that can produce results in those spots. Its strange to say but the Copp signing isn't looking too bad these days, the team sorely misses him and Compher has not been able to reproduce what he brought to the table so far to finish this season.
I am sure someone is going to tell me that is not good enough, the core is flawed, the Yzerplan gets too much of a free pass, drafting 10-15 is a trap you get stuck in for eternity, etc. , etc.
