Lazytrout
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That's fair enoughThe problem with keeping Hronek is that it's not about 1 season. He's on an 8 year deal at a 7+ mil cap hit. They needed to decide if he was a core part of their rebuild or not.
That's fair enoughThe problem with keeping Hronek is that it's not about 1 season. He's on an 8 year deal at a 7+ mil cap hit. They needed to decide if he was a core part of their rebuild or not.
I honestly expected some regression this year as they brought up more kids. Not to the point Lalonde was showing, I also wonder if we had Todd from the beginning of the season how much different the point total would be currently.I may not speak for the majority of Wings fans but this season is shaking down pretty much how it was predicted. Playing meaningful games down the stretch, close to the final wild card... unfortunately looking more likely they will miss as each game passes.
The positives - Core guys all look good, and signed to to nice deals for the most part. Larkin and Raymond have been more cold than hot since 4 nations, but that should not be an excuse. Other teams had their top guys at the same tournament. Edvinsson & Johansson look legit, Ed like a guy who will run his own top 4 pairing and AlJo as a real nice partner/low maintenance guy. Kasper looks like a gem and great value for where they ended up in that draft. The way he has played the second half of the season between the top line and now playing middle between Kane & Debrincat is encouraging. His tenacity and skill are both equal parts of what makes him effective.
Negatives - Bottom 6 is garbage and some of those guys need to play up the line up. Half the defense is also garbage although I personally do not mind Chiarot the majority of games. He is far from the problem that Gus, Holl, Petry have been. Goaltending has been hit or miss second half of the season but thanfully... no one is signed long term. Mrazek is always going to be hot & cold but after July 1st having him & Talbot signed to for 1 year may be the lesser of all the evils available of the goaltending market.
End of the day... Larkin, Raymond, Seider are all signed to nice long term deals. Cap flexibility for future years and they own all their own picks going forward. Likely this is finally the off season that most fans (or outside watchers) have been waiting for. Yzerman will get aggressive, he gave McLellan time to evaluate the roster and what guys can work and what guys need to be moved on from. Should have 22-23? million to work with in the off season without any other potential moves.. lots of flexibility to cut the fat off the team & improve.
Is it flashy and sexy? Nope. But progression has been steady and constantly moving forward so its going the right direction. This season seems lateral but the fact the young guys have stepped up and they have not sunk in the standings is enough to show the ship is still going in the right direction, for me anyways. The future of the team is not the current problem, its the place holders. Yzerman has not done a good job of finding guys that can produce results in those spots. Its strange to say but the Copp signing isn't looking too bad these days, the team sorely misses him and Compher has not been able to reproduce what he brought to the table so far to finish this season.
I am sure someone is going to tell me that is not good enough, the core is flawed, the Yzerplan gets too much of a free pass, drafting 10-15 is a trap you get stuck in for eternity, etc. , etc.
The problem with keeping Hronek is that it's not about 1 season. He's on an 8 year deal at a 7+ mil cap hit. They needed to decide if he was a core part of their rebuild or not.
I didn't say Gustaffson was top 4.I mean if you just asked instead of stat watched you'd know that the clear top four since Todd took over has been Chiarot/Seider and Edvinsson/AlJo.
Gustafsson is hot garbage.
Maybe in 3-4 more years boys
Yup. Hronek is a perfect #2 with an elite #1. Imo Yzerman needs to find a left shot elite #1 D man so Seider can fill that #2 role that he’s best suited for.Nevermind that Hronek was never going to be this Hronek playing behind Seider.
weird how he was "potentially a big problem in the room" but you can definitively say "he was a cancer" who was "hated"It’s not officially documented anywhere, but the rumbling that came from the Walman trade was nothing but positive from the locker room and coaching staff.
Not sure what he did to be so hated, but he somehow managed to become a cancer in the locker room. Maybe he stole Larkin’s cheerios one morning, who knows.
I liked him on the wings, thought he was fun to watch with his cheeky gritty celebration, but when I heard from an ex-wings player in the offseason who was apart of the team that somebody (who he couldn’t name) that played on the blue line really caused lockeroom issues in the midst of the playoff run, I knew right away who it was when the trade had happened.
Good for San Jose on capitalizing on the opportunity. That organization made out like bandits in that trade. Turned one times problem into gold.
Am I concerned about the move the GM made to keep the locker room and coaching staff happy? No not at all. It was a hard decision, but he was traded for futures for a reason. That reason is to remind the locker room that no one man is greater than the team.
Also, I don’t think Detroit would have ever been able to receive a first rounder for Walman in the series of any events anyways. So at the end of the day even neglecting the fact that he was potentially a big problem in the room, it’s not as bad as some make it out to be.
If I said before the start of the year that DET would be 7 pts worse than last year's team I think most DRW fans would say I was being a hater and totally underestimating the steps their young players would make.I may not speak for the majority of Wings fans but this season is shaking down pretty much how it was predicted. Playing meaningful games down the stretch, close to the final wild card... unfortunately looking more likely they will miss as each game passes.
The positives - Core guys all look good, and signed to to nice deals for the most part. Larkin and Raymond have been more cold than hot since 4 nations, but that should not be an excuse. Other teams had their top guys at the same tournament. Edvinsson & Johansson look legit, Ed like a guy who will run his own top 4 pairing and AlJo as a real nice partner/low maintenance guy. Kasper looks like a gem and great value for where they ended up in that draft. The way he has played the second half of the season between the top line and now playing middle between Kane & Debrincat is encouraging. His tenacity and skill are both equal parts of what makes him effective.
Negatives - Bottom 6 is garbage and some of those guys need to play up the line up. Half the defense is also garbage although I personally do not mind Chiarot the majority of games. He is far from the problem that Gus, Holl, Petry have been. Goaltending has been hit or miss second half of the season but thanfully... no one is signed long term. Mrazek is always going to be hot & cold but after July 1st having him & Talbot signed to for 1 year may be the lesser of all the evils available of the goaltending market.
End of the day... Larkin, Raymond, Seider are all signed to nice long term deals. Cap flexibility for future years and they own all their own picks going forward. Likely this is finally the off season that most fans (or outside watchers) have been waiting for. Yzerman will get aggressive, he gave McLellan time to evaluate the roster and what guys can work and what guys need to be moved on from. Should have 22-23? million to work with in the off season without any other potential moves.. lots of flexibility to cut the fat off the team & improve.
Is it flashy and sexy? Nope. But progression has been steady and constantly moving forward so its going the right direction. This season seems lateral but the fact the young guys have stepped up and they have not sunk in the standings is enough to show the ship is still going in the right direction, for me anyways. The future of the team is not the current problem, its the place holders. Yzerman has not done a good job of finding guys that can produce results in those spots. Its strange to say but the Copp signing isn't looking too bad these days, the team sorely misses him and Compher has not been able to reproduce what he brought to the table so far to finish this season.
I am sure someone is going to tell me that is not good enough, the core is flawed, the Yzerplan gets too much of a free pass, drafting 10-15 is a trap you get stuck in for eternity, etc. , etc.
Nope, you should've seen our free agency thread and add the Walman trade we were extremely miffed. Some of us expected a regression with more rookies.If I said before the start of the year that DET would be 7 pts worse than last year's team I think most DRW fans would say I was being a hater and totally underestimating the steps their young players would make.
It's ridiculous to say that the progression has been steady and constantly moving forward when it literally is worse than the prior year.
If I said before the start of the year that DET would be 7 pts worse than last year's team I think most DRW fans would say I was being a hater and totally underestimating the steps their young players would make.
It's ridiculous to say that the progression has been steady and constantly moving forward when it literally is worse than the prior year.
Sure if we just forget this year exists.They improved in the standings every year since Yzerman took over,
Kind of impossible to predict what prospects do or do not pan out 2-3 years out. Or what players shake out via trades.Sure if we just forget this year exists.
And the youth has shown that as of yet they can't make this team a playoff team. And while you can be optimistic about those players, you also have to realize that Dylan Larkin is going to be 29. List the #1Cs over 30 that have won a Cup in the last 10 years?
So in 2 or 3 years when Seider and Edvinsson are at their best and ASP and Cossa are playing... who is going to be the #1C?
Yeah, a team that has been rebuilding for over 6 years SHOULD have drafted players on the roster and prospects waiting for their chance.These "HF professional couch critics" said Yzerman is underwhelming at drafting, then you look at the roster and see 25% of the starting roster is his picks. That's not even counting Mazur since he got injured on his first NHL shift.
Then look at their pool and they still have a ton more prospects drooling at the mouth to be difference makers on the DRWs; Cossa, ASP, Danielsson, MBN, Buchelnikov, Plante, Lombardi, Kiiskinen, Augustine.
And as of today I would NOT rule out Kasper ever becoming a solid #1 center in the NHL, or an elite #2 center. The kid is already playing #2 center since Copp's injury and is proving he has the chops @ 20 years old.
It's difficult to keep realistic feelings and expectations for someone who is besides Howe thee biggest face of the Detroit Red Wings ever. A lot of us were sour on the Seider pick, so this supposed blind allegiance is a bit bullshit and we have given him hell for the past free agency wiffs.Yeah, a team that has been rebuilding for over 6 years SHOULD have drafted players on the roster and prospects waiting for their chance.
If you compare Yzerman's rebuild with others in the same time frame, he did a decent job but he's obviously not the genius mastermind y'all pretend he is.
Stop drinking.Yup. Hronek is a perfect #2 with an elite #1. Imo Yzerman needs to find a left shot elite #1 D man so Seider can fill that #2 role that he’s best suited for.
Sure if we just forget this year exists.
And the youth has shown that as of yet they can't make this team a playoff team. And while you can be optimistic about those players, you also have to realize that Dylan Larkin is going to be 29. List the #1Cs over 30 that have won a Cup in the last 10 years?
So in 2 or 3 years when Seider and Edvinsson are at their best and ASP and Cossa are playing... who is going to be the #1C?
Sure if we just forget this year exists.
And the youth has shown that as of yet they can't make this team a playoff team. And while you can be optimistic about those players, you also have to realize that Dylan Larkin is going to be 29. List the #1Cs over 30 that have won a Cup in the last 10 years?
So in 2 or 3 years when Seider and Edvinsson are at their best and ASP and Cossa are playing... who is going to be the #1C?
I agreed with you. Rebuild sometime depend on luck. Chicago winning Bedard lottery. Michkov being avaialble at #7 for Flyers or Demidov/Hutson for Habs. Best example is probably Colorado drafting Makar.It's difficult to keep realistic feelings and expectations for someone who is besides Howe thee biggest face of the Detroit Red Wings ever. A lot of us were sour on the Seider pick, so this supposed blind allegiance is a bit bullshit and we have given him hell for the past free agency wiffs.
Hard to really compare some rebuilds, one team gets the worst record and Lucas Raymond at 4th overall. Some have Michkov drop in their lap, others Demidov at 5th overall.
Clearly the Detroit downfall (thread purpose) has a lot to do with Yzerman’s failure to build a roster that puts players into the best position for them to succeed. Seider is an ideal #2 D man. The club obviously struggles with him playing the 1 role. Imagine Quinn Hughes on the Wings (whom they could have drafted) playing the #1 with Seider as the #2.Stop drinking.
You're creating this narrative in your own mind. A step back was always a realistic outcome. Even then, the team has shown potential under Mclellan and not many games ago they were on a ~95 point pace.If I said before the start of the year that DET would be 7 pts worse than last year's team I think most DRW fans would say I was being a hater and totally underestimating the steps their young players would make.
Who is calling Yzerman a genius mastermind?If you compare Yzerman's rebuild with others in the same time frame, he did a decent job but he's obviously not the genius mastermind y'all pretend he is.
Do you think Larkin will fall off a cliff at 30?So in 2 or 3 years when Seider and Edvinsson are at their best and ASP and Cossa are playing... who is going to be the #1C?
Season isn't over. And despite a recent tough stretch the team's pts% under McLellan is better than it was last season. If they end up with a worse overall record than last season I think most Wings fans will still be optimistic because a full season of McLellan and the young players being more experienced should put the team in a better position to be competitive next year. Kasper looking great at 2C is far more relevant for the forward progress of the rebuild than Gustafsson and Holl losing the team games is.It's ridiculous to say that the progression has been steady and constantly moving forward when it literally is worse than the prior year.
Yeah. They flopped this year. At least they didn't flop as hard as my Sabres. Ottawa at least seems to have turned it around.If I said before the start of the year that DET would be 7 pts worse than last year's team I think most DRW fans would say I was being a hater and totally underestimating the steps their young players would make.
It's ridiculous to say that the progression has been steady and constantly moving forward when it literally is worse than the prior year.
Clearly the Detroit downfall (thread purpose) has a lot to do with Yzerman’s failure to build a roster that puts players into the best position for them to succeed. Seider is an ideal #2 D man. The club obviously struggles with him playing the 1 role. Imagine Quinn Hughes on the Wings (whom they could have drafted) playing the #1 with Seider as the #2.
No, many Wings fans last year thought this year would be a drop. We knew several vets who produced points would be departing, to be replaced with unknowns. Especially on defense with Walman and Gostisbehere being key scorers last year.If I said before the start of the year that DET would be 7 pts worse than last year's team I think most DRW fans would say I was being a hater and totally underestimating the steps their young players would make.
It's ridiculous to say that the progression has been steady and constantly moving forward when it literally is worse than the prior year.
Larkin I think is pretty much what he is, if he didn't get hurt last season he hits 40 goals easily.I don’t think Yzerman has done a great job but a lot of it is bad luck.
Also am I wrong or did Seider and Larkin not really improve much? They were pretty much good players right from the beginning leading people to think they might develop into elite players but they just stayed at the ‘good’ level. Lots of time left for Seider but I think Larkin is pretty much topped out.