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Pavels Dog said:
Man, the temptation to quote like 50 different posts in this thread is strong. Multiple posters crapped all over Detroit's ability to draft outside the 1st round regardless of euro/NA.

Given Detroit's strong focus on drafting out of europe in the first few drafts under Yzerman we're still waiting to see the NA draft picks really materialize. But I think Mazur, Lombardi, Finnie, Augustine and Buium are among guys that might change the tune a bit. Give it a year or two.
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Augustine isn’t a skater and that list is incredibly sad
 
Hazy Little Thing said:
Augustine isn’t a skater and that list is incredibly sad
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Reminiscent of discussions earlier in the thread where Johansson and Söderblom were written off.

Imo, if you're calling the development of Lombardi, Plante, Mazur and Finnie "sad" you simply don't know what you're talking about. Still need to see some guys panning out at the NHL level but as I said, give it a year or two.
 
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Pavels Dog said:
Reminiscent of discussions earlier in the thread where Johansson and Söderblom were written off.

Imo, if you're calling the development of Lombardi, Plante, Mazur and Finnie "sad" you simply don't know what you're talking about. Still need to see some guys panning out at the NHL level but as I said, give it a year or two.
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Eggs on your face, always been a fan of AlJo and Elmer. AlJo should’ve been up last year.

Obviously we need to see any of those four doing anything at the next level to not consider them done as prospects.
 
Red Wings/Yzerman fans in here right now:

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Pavels Dog said:
Reminiscent of discussions earlier in the thread where Johansson and Söderblom were written off.
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I popped into the DRW board to check in on Söderblom since I remember he was getting a lot of hype on the “redwood line” a few years ago when he debuted. Everyone that responded said they figured he’d be back in Sweden soon enough and wasn’t likely to be a full time NHL’er.

Not sure you can really blame non-Wings fans for agreeing with the assessments from your own fanbase?
 
Nogatco Rd said:
I popped into the DRW board to check in on Söderblom since I remember he was getting a lot of hype on the “redwood line” a few years ago when he debuted. Everyone that responded said they figured he’d be back in Sweden soon enough and wasn’t likely to be a full time NHL’er.

Not sure you can really blame non-Wings fans for agreeing with the assessments from your own fanbase?
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I think the difference is whether someone is having doubts about individual prospects (fair) or writing off the entirety of Detroit's drafting (unfair).
 
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Nogatco Rd said:
I popped into the DRW board to check in on Söderblom since I remember he was getting a lot of hype on the “redwood line” a few years ago when he debuted. Everyone that responded said they figured he’d be back in Sweden soon enough and wasn’t likely to be a full time NHL’er.

Not sure you can really blame non-Wings fans for agreeing with the assessments from your own fanbase?
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Everyone might not be the correct word here. Confirmation bias and all.
 
Nogatco Rd said:
I popped into the DRW board to check in on Söderblom since I remember he was getting a lot of hype on the “redwood line” a few years ago when he debuted. Everyone that responded said they figured he’d be back in Sweden soon enough and wasn’t likely to be a full time NHL’er.

Not sure you can really blame non-Wings fans for agreeing with the assessments from your own fanbase?
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Coming out of training camp I had posted this regarding Kasper because there was growing noise he was trending towards bust:

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Then, before the coaching change there were a few who wanted him sent to GR because he wasn't developing.

Also, in late October there were a few (ShanahanMan, in particular) who thought that Edvinsson had peaked and wasn't performing to expectations. Quote, "I don’t know. I feel like if he was drafted anywhere over 20, I’d be happy where he’s at. But at 6OA, and maybe my expectations are too high, but I do wish I saw more."

And yes, I had asked what expectations people had for Soderblom and there were some who predicted he would be back in Europe after this season.

So agreed, our board has it's share of idiots too.

EDIT: And to give props where props are due, both LongTimeDRWF and lilidk responded on Soderblom saying it was a make or break year for him and they both hoped he would make it. Looks like their faith is paying off.
 
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Bounces R Way said:
Red Wings/Yzerman fans in here right now:

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gonna b a dunk fest BC of all the ignorant non-drw followers dropping nonsense about a team they know/knew little about

myself dont watch other teams much so not gonna drop in another team's thread and drop a bunch of un-informed opinions on a team i know little about
 
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GhostfaceWu said:
Raymond definitely has an argument for first overall in a redraft. Him and stutzle neck and neck
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Tim Stutzle: 339 GP 108G 193A 301 PTS 0.87 PPG
Lucas Raymond: 292 GP 92G 140A 232 PTS 0.79 PPG

But this season, he's a measly 4 points ahead, so that's it? Neck and neck? This season, sure.
 
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NyQuil said:
Tim Stutzle: 339 GP 108G 193A 301 PTS 0.87 PPG
Lucas Raymond: 292 GP 92G 140A 232 PTS 0.79 PPG

But this season, he's a measly 4 points ahead, so that's it? Neck and neck? This season, sure.
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Raymond has actually produced at the same level as Stutzle since the beginning of last season. Sample size is building and Raymond has emerged as a legit play driver.

That said, Stutzle would still be drafted ahead of Raymond due to the value a Center has.
 
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NyQuil said:
Tim Stutzle: 339 GP 108G 193A 301 PTS 0.87 PPG
Lucas Raymond: 292 GP 92G 140A 232 PTS 0.79 PPG

But this season, he's a measly 4 points ahead, so that's it? Neck and neck? This season, sure.
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Two years ago the career score was Stutzle .84 PPG compared to Raymond .65 PPG.

To ignore the gap closing or act like Raymond hasn't been better for the last year and a half is just wearing blinders.
 
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FriendlyGhost92 said:
Two years ago the career score was Stutzle .84 PPG compared to Raymond .65 PPG.

To ignore the gap closing or act like Raymond hasn't been better for the last year and a half is just wearing blinders.
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A year that Stutzle played injured for most of the season, sure.

We can ignore that too I guess.
 
NyQuil said:
He keeps getting hit in the face but not really.

Is the gap between Seider and Sanderson narrowing?
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I'm not sure why we'd talk about a gap between the two considering they're in different draft years. That's the obvious comparison between Raymond and Stutzle. But naturally by way of Sanderson improving significantly, sure.

You done making excuses and changing the subject from the fact that Raymond has simply been better for the last year and a half?
 
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NyQuil said:
Tim Stutzle: 339 GP 108G 193A 301 PTS 0.87 PPG
Lucas Raymond: 292 GP 92G 140A 232 PTS 0.79 PPG

But this season, he's a measly 4 points ahead, so that's it? Neck and neck? This season, sure.
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Yes the current player he is and was last year count a little more than three seasons ago. Just because stutzle found his game sooner doesn't make him above Raymond currently.
 
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