Detroit Redwings Downfall

[ExarKun80]

Koala man is cooking in Detroit.

 

[GordieHowYaDoin]

Must there be ‘pretty wins’ in order to brag?

With that idiot Uncle Fester gone and McLellan in the Wings are finally playing to their potential.

Agreed. Imo, theres more potential to unlock too, especially in younger guys like Veleno, Berggy and Soderblom have looked better in the Toddfathers system.
Shows how good of a fit Todds system is for the Top 6 and depth players and thats the receipe for a cup

 

[saska sault]

Soderblom on a 5 game point streak. Berggren looks good. Johansson looks like a different player. All of a sudden the youth is driving the bus and doing a hell of a job.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Should we title the next thread "Is it time to stop questioning Yzerman?", "Detroit Redwings Uprising" or "When does the Yzerplan start getting respect?"?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

RNH, Yakupov, Puljujarvi, Hall... So many franchise changing players.
I understand why so many teams in the league are jealous of the Oilers draft gifts.

Gimme a f***ing break lol

At some point you have to acknowledge that this is probably a sign of piss poor player development rather than "Poor us, we got the top picks in bad draft years."

 

[Konnan511]

Dear Red Wing's fans, stop posting in this thread. It's embarrassing. Let it die... stop reposting after every win.

 

[cjeagle]

Redwings record since McClellan took over. Best in the NHL

 

[newfy]

Those are some ugly wins to be bragging about. Vancouver pretty unlucky not to get 2pts there.

They're on the second night of a back to back, on a western road trip, and McLellan said after the game a bunch of the players are sick right now. They still have the talent/coaching on the roster to steal a couple points they probably don't deserve. That's what good teams do, steal points they don't deserve sometimes.

If Lalonde is coaching, the nucks probably win by 3 or 4 and the team gives up

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Dear Red Wing's fans, stop posting in this thread. It's embarrassing. Let it die... stop reposting after every win.

 

[Ulysses31]

dramatic downfall from 9th seed to *checks notes* 2nd wildcard

 

[GordieHowYaDoin]

Should we title the next thread "Is it time to stop questioning Yzerman?", "Detroit Redwings Uprising" or "When does the Yzerplan start getting respect?"?

People will eat more crow when he brings in some elite talent with that massive cap space we're about to have. Razor and Mo's contracts will look legendarily genius in 2 years but you could make the case for right now

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

People will eat more crow when he brings in some elite talent with that massive cap space we're about to have. Razor and Mo's contracts will look legendarily genius in 2 years but you could make the case for right now

There are numerous teams that will have massive cap space.

Fat pass on getting in the Mitch Marner/Mikko Rantanen race and outbidding whoever wants to throw 7 x $14M at them.

 

[GordieHowYaDoin]

There are numerous teams that will have massive cap space.

Fat pass on getting in the Mitch Marner/Mikko Rantanen race and outbidding whoever wants to throw 7 x $14M at them.

I am not Brad Krysko, I do not like Marner at all

The point still stands and he was right that elite talent will come when cash starts flowing.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I am not Brad Krysko, I do not like Marner at all

The point still stands and he was right that elite talent will come when cash starts flowing.

Cool. Who are the guys we are targeting that other teams don't have the cap space to fight for?

Free agency is gonna be a mess of absurd contracts over the next few years until teams get tight with cap space again.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I am not Brad Krysko, I do not like Marner at all

The point still stands and he was right that elite talent will come when cash starts flowing.

Well now just becomes who will outbid the other teams,

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Well now just becomes who will outbid the other teams,

Really longing to be the team that hurls 7 x $9.5M at Nikolaj Ehlers' head, only to be outbid lmao.

 

[FissionFire]

They arguably got outplayed vs Edmonton, Calgary and Vancouver. I agree Seider is a great #1D and the team is better than some thought they would be early on. But take those 6 points away and there is no “crow” to eat. It’s nice to win games when outplayed but karma usually comes back where a streak goes the other way when they play well and lose. Still a great run under a new coach, interested to see how the last 30g play out.

Lots of teams struggle on the western Canada trips, but the good teams find ways to win. Calgary outplayed them yes, and being outplayed by Edmonton on the road isn’t exactly unexpected as even great teams will do that. Vancouver was a trap game by all accounts they should have lost, 2nd of a back to back on the road and 3rd game in 4 nights right after beating a top tier Edmonton team. The deck was stacked and they found a way to win. That’s what good teams do. Are they contenders or elite? No but I think it’s on to admit they aren’t a bad team anymore.

 

[Ulysses31]

I am not Brad Krysko, I do not like Marner at all

The point still stands and he was right that elite talent will come when cash starts flowing.

guy way too eager to blow money on ufa superstar imo.

1) spits in eye of every player who took team friendly contracts like larkin raymond n seider did
2) even with tavares took a team friendly deal with the leafs he has still underperformed his contract (1mil or 2 Imo)
3) related to 1)good luck getting decent rfa contracts in future
4) also related to 1) core players will make drw pay out the nose when contracts up
5) IMO hone what you got, sign ufa players who wanna b here to team friendly contracts, whether they 4th liners to superstars or players late in careers wanting to win
6) longevity and patience soundest bet on trying to make a winner (SY obv alrdy knows that)

 

[TKB]

guy way too eager to blow money on ufa superstar imo.

1) spits in eye of every player who took team friendly contracts like larkin raymond n seider did
2) even with tavares took a team friendly deal with the leafs he has still underperformed his contract (1mil or 2 Imo)
3) related to 1)good luck getting decent rfa contracts in future
4) also related to 1) core players will make drw pay out the nose when contracts up

Agreed.

One of the key things overlooked in all the "Yzerman Sucks" threads is the salary structure he was working on. Larkin, Raymond and Seider contracts all great /fair deals that sets the tone going forward.

That doesn't mean no one will make more than Larkin at some point, but cap/salary discipline has been established. This will give the flexibility to make a major signing for the right player who fills the right role at the right time or make a trade for a big contract.

But to just go around looking for ways to spend the new cap money would be foolish.

 

[Czechboy]

Should we title the next thread "Is it time to stop questioning Yzerman?", "Detroit Redwings Uprising" or "When does the Yzerplan start getting respect?"?

Please make that thread.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I'm perfectly fine with being outplayed by a team like Edmonton, and then being outplayed by VAN on the third road game in four nights, and still winning both games lmao.

Let's be very clear here. There are a lot of good teams that get outplayed some nights and still win.

Beats the f*** out of getting outplayed and getting murdered... Which is what we were doing under Lalonde.

 

[Ulysses31]

wouldnt be 100% against signing marner or rantanen relative to what bring compared to detroits core player (also considering they are Ufas) but no way either would sign when other teams probably will be offering 13x7 at a minimum

 

[Just Linda]

Should we title the next thread "Is it time to stop questioning Yzerman?", "Detroit Redwings Uprising" or "When does the Yzerplan start getting respect?"?

A lot of the criticism in this thread has been people calling the Wings as a mid team when they are playing to they best, saying they don't have the elite pieces to be a contender and don't have the ways to get them.

So a mid team being in a wildcard spot isn't super surprising.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

wouldnt be 100% against signing marner or rantanen relative to what bring compared to detroits core player (also considering they are Ufas) but no way either would sign when other teams probably will be offering 13x7 at a minimum

A big thing you gotta consider when chasing big name UFAs is that they destroy an internal cap.

It seems pretty evident that the hold up with Seider, and the reason he didn't get an 8th year, was because they weren't going to let him make more than Larkin's $8.7M.

It's hard to tell the next group of guys "You don't get to make more than X" when you throw $12.5M at a Rantanen or a Marner. Not to mention it probably pisses off a guy like Seider who was likely told you can't make more than Larkin did, but then you turn around and give some outsider $4M/year more.

... All this aside from the fact that I think giving a UFA winger $12.5M/year is stupid in the first place lol.

 

[RedHawkDown]

As a Detroit fan some of y'all really can't help yourself eh. Something similar happened last year and then we lost 8 straight and missed out on the playoffs.

Me everytime I see people flip flop on players teams and GMs 4 months into a season.

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We were bad and riding very high sh% during our streak last year. It was nice but it wasn’t close to what we’re seeing now, last few games notwithstanding.

Lalonde was bad from start to finish lol

A lot of the criticism in this thread has been people calling the Wings as a mid team when they are playing to they best, saying they don't have the elite pieces to be a contender and don't have the ways to get them.

So a mid team being in a wildcard spot isn't super surprising.

They have the elite pieces. What they don’t have is a supporting cast.

Lucas Raymond will outscore Marner next year. You can quote me n