Detroit Redwings Downfall

[izlez]

Saw Jack Campbell was called up as a backup earlier his month, what are the chances he gets a start this year?

Near 0.

Talbot, Lyon, and Husso are all ahead of him. If there's a situation where we know we need a 4th guy to start, that is probably Cossa

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Wings analytics are quite poor. Worst in the league offensively and mediocre defensively. Their closest comparable is actually Chicago. Doesn't seem like a playoff team this year.

 

[Czechboy]

His play has been good.

I wouldn't call him outstanding this year because the points basically haven't followed dhis level of play.

I don't see Kasper as more than a middle six center, but he is going to be a good one.

I'd point to his On Ice Shooting Percentage being 4.51%

So I questioned that he was playing 'outstanding hockey'. For reference, Draisaistl or Kaprizov are playing 'outstanding hockey'.

That's all. Didn't say he sucked. Didn't say he won't be good. But a first round forward on a 21 point pace is not 'outstanding hockey' even for a defensive forward.

Looking up at the quotes and the word 'good' is appearing and that I agree with. I think he'll be a good NHL player as well.

Regarding shooting percentage.. yeah his shooting percentage sucks but this isn't like he has a long history of a mean and will regress to it. That is his shooting percentage as an NHL player. He's played 27 NHL games and shoots around 5% for now. That could go way up as he matures, builds and develops. But, right now, he is a 5% NHL forward on pace for 21 points. That is not outstanding.

He's actually Jiri Kulich.. I think Kulich is playing outstnading. First rounder. Lots of online praise and the eye test looks great! He's working his ass off and I watch Buffalo because of him.

Pretty similar to Kasper. Higher shooting percentage and more goals. Apparently Jiri can't pass a puck. Nonetheless.. I can say, as a very bias Czech person that he is playing outstanding too.. I'd expect to be questioned on it. I'd argue no one in Buffalo is playing outstanding. I'm not sure anyone in Detroit is bringing home hardware this year either.

 

[Czechboy]

Why does everything need an answer set in stone?

Could be 2 UFAs, 1 via trade and 3 prospects. Sandin-Pellikka, Danielson and Brandsegg-Nygård certainly wouldn't be far fetched as players developing into good NHLers.

The reason I asked was because that page 'appeared' to be describing the next 6 Detroit guys joining the team as above average NHL players. 6 rookies coming in as above average.

So you definitely didn't say that and that is why I questioned that.

I totally agree Detroit needs 6 above average NHL players to improve. I also agree they don't have them right now. The next 3 rookies do look good. Seem like smart bets. However, I doubt they are 'impactful' for several more years from me hitting 'post reply'.

As an Oiler and Czech fan.. I just spend most of the 2000's watching first rounders bust out and return home or become coaches.lol

 

[Perfect_Drug]

Of all the O6 teams, Detroit has some of the most gracious and amazing fans who are not nearly as obnoxious as we are up in Canada.

Wings fans are mostly pretty awesome.


I really hope you guys find your way out of this soon. Being in the basement this long sucks and I wouldn't wish it upon my worst enemies.


Except Vancouver.
Vancouver can lick my sweaty fecal-smelling taint.

 

[izlez]

So I questioned that he was playing 'outstanding hockey'. For reference, Draisaistl or Kaprizov are playing 'outstanding hockey'.

That's all. Didn't say he sucked. Didn't say he won't be good. But a first round forward on a 21 point pace is not 'outstanding hockey' even for a defensive forward.

Looking up at the quotes and the word 'good' is appearing and that I agree with. I think he'll be a good NHL player as well.

Regarding shooting percentage.. yeah his shooting percentage sucks but this isn't like he has a long history of a mean and will regress to it. That is his shooting percentage as an NHL player. He's played 27 NHL games and shoots around 5% for now. That could go way up as he matures, builds and develops. But, right now, he is a 5% NHL forward on pace for 21 points. That is not outstanding.

He's actually Jiri Kulich.. I think Kulich is playing outstnading. First rounder. Lots of online praise and the eye test looks great! He's working his ass off and I watch Buffalo because of him.

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Pretty similar to Kasper. Higher shooting percentage and more goals. Apparently Jiri can't pass a puck. Nonetheless.. I can say, as a very bias Czech person that he is playing outstanding too.. I'd expect to be questioned on it. I'd argue no one in Buffalo is playing outstanding. I'm not sure anyone in Detroit is bringing home hardware this year either.

So, I brought up On Ice Shooting percentage, which is the teams shooting percentage while he is on the ice.

So it is more of an indicator of how good his teammates are doing as well and shows he could potentially be getting some more assists and there is more of a regression to a mean because its not just him.

If you want to focus on the word "outstanding", I won't fight you on that. It's a strong word that is subjective and can mean different things to different people. If you think that is a word that only describes Draisaitl and Kaprizov types, that's fine. HOWEVER, you can't say that "outstanding" is a word that is reserved for Draisaitl and then take a left turn and talk about how Jiri Kulich is outstanding

 

[Bank Shot]

It's still unclear why you guys are so worked up about the Wings. Were we too mean to Holland or what?

Some of you still have a lot of arrogance despite being wrong about everything, basically all the time.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Please beat us twice and get back in the mix

 

[Czechboy]

So, I brought up On Ice Shooting percentage, which is the teams shooting percentage while he is on the ice.

So it is more of an indicator of how good his teammates are doing as well and shows he could potentially be getting some more assists and there is more of a regression to a mean because its not just him.

If you want to focus on the word "outstanding", I won't fight you on that. It's a strong word that is subjective and can mean different things to different people. If you think that is a word that only describes Draisaitl and Kaprizov types, that's fine. HOWEVER, you can't say that "outstanding" is a word that is reserved for Draisaitl and then take a left turn and talk about how Jiri Kulich is outstanding

You, for some reason, missed the part where I said if I said Kulich was outstanding that I'd expect to be criticized. Just like you did when you only read half of what I wrote. I even admitted I was total bias.

I can say, as a very bias Czech person that he is playing outstanding too.. I'd expect to be questioned on it. I'd argue no one in Buffalo is playing outstanding.

Of course. Neither Kulich or Kasper are outstanding NHL players this season. I gave 2 quick examples of guys that have stood out to me.. didn't know I had to name every NHLer who has been oustanding this year. Helle, Necas, Makar, Hughes, McD, Kaprizov. There are a few more for you. I'd guess aroung 30 to 40 guys would fit that label right now.

My bad about the on ice shooting percentage. Thanks for clairication.

 

[izlez]

You, for some reason, missed the part where I said if I said Kulich was outstanding that I'd expect to be criticized. Just like you did when you only read half of what I wrote. I even admitted I was total bias.



Of course. Neither Kulich or Kasper are outstanding NHL players this season. I gave 2 quick examples of guys that have stood out to me.. didn't know I had to name every NHLer who has been oustanding this year. Helle, Necas, Makar, Hughes, McD, Kaprizov. There are a few more for you. I'd guess aroung 30 to 40 guys would fit that label right now.

My bad about the on ice shooting percentage. Thanks for clairication.

I'm not sure if there is a language barrier here... You ARE calling Jiri Kulich an outstanding player? Because I keep re-reading everything you wrote and it seems like you are calling him an outstanding player

 

[Czechboy]

I'm not sure if there is a language barrier here... You ARE calling Jiri Kulich an outstanding player? Because I keep re-reading everything you wrote and it seems like you are calling him an outstanding player

Of course. Neither Kulich or Kasper are outstanding NHL players this season.

Definitely a language barrier if you are reading that. Especially after rereading.

I'll do my best help you with your language barrier.

 

[norrisnick]

Some of you still have a lot of arrogance despite being wrong about everything, basically all the time.

Ah, ok. So Wing fans offended your clearly delicate sensibilities. On behalf of all Wing fans, I apologize that you feel, I don't know, aggrieved? by hockey fans' posts on the Internet.

 

[izlez]

Definitely a language barrier if you are reading that. Especially after rereading.

I'll do my best help you with your language barrier.

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Haha. It seems like English isn't your first language. Don't know why YOU have to try to be a dick about it.

When you say:
"I think Kulich is playing outstnading"
"Lots of online praise and the eye test looks great!"
"He's working his ass off and I watch Buffalo because of him."
"as a very bias Czech person that he is playing outstanding too"
"I even admitted I was total bias"


Just throwing out the word "neither" in ONE of your sentences causes confusion because it contradicts the other 5 sentences.

 

[Czechboy]

Haha. It seems like English isn't your first language. Don't know why YOU have to try to be a dick about it.

When you say:
"I think Kulich is playing outstnading"
"Lots of online praise and the eye test looks great!"
"He's working his ass off and I watch Buffalo because of him."
"as a very bias Czech person that he is playing outstanding too"
"I even admitted I was total bias"


Just throwing out the word "neither" in ONE of your sentences causes confusion because it contradicts the other 5 sentences.

That point flew over your head in spectacular fashion. I'd explain it but I already did.

 

[thefutures]

It's still unclear why you guys are so worked up about the Wings. Were we too mean to Holland or what?

It's funny they blame Holland for their short comings now too

 

[Dotter]

The reason I asked was because that page 'appeared' to be describing the next 6 Detroit guys joining the team as above average NHL players. 6 rookies coming in as above average.

So you definitely didn't say that and that is why I questioned that.

I totally agree Detroit needs 6 above average NHL players to improve. I also agree they don't have them right now. The next 3 rookies do look good. Seem like smart bets. However, I doubt they are 'impactful' for several more years from me hitting 'post reply'.

As an Oiler and Czech fan.. I just spend most of the 2000's watching first rounders bust out and return home or become coaches.lol

Wings don't need 6 above average NHL players to improve.

Addition by subtraction.

I don't know who is coming in to replace them, but anything is better than what we currently have. Then the team is suddenly improved. I can name a couple of prospects ready to take the leap NOW, but six rookies isn't happening next season. Only two or three max. --Maybe six total by October 2026, but not next season.

I can see another rookie making a push this season when he gets healthy.

The biggest 'addition by subtraction' is Laldone and his assistants will be gone... hopefully far, far away! His coaching style has no structure, no skating, no purpose. He lost the team.

As far as outstanding players, DRWs Wings have 4 rookies skating this season. Only one looks outstanding... while Kasper looks good, he still has untapped offensive upside. Stat watching right now is meaningless unless you are trying to paint some narrative.

 

[newfy]

It's still unclear why you guys are so worked up about the Wings. Were we too mean to Holland or what?

See below, plus yes, Holland

Some of you still have a lot of arrogance despite being wrong about everything, basically all the time.

Edmonton fans in this thread have arrogance because they think they know about how to rebuild a team. Look, the oil took ~7 first overall picks and landing a future top 5 player of all time to finally go on one playoff run on year 9 of said top 5 player. Maybe guys like Seider and Raymond should get a little time before anyone in Edmonton judges Detroits rebuild

Edmonton is not an example of how any team should do anything rebuild wise at all. Congrats on your one big playoff run where they almost won.

You, for some reason, missed the part where I said if I said Kulich was outstanding that I'd expect to be criticized. Just like you did when you only read half of what I wrote. I even admitted I was total bias.



Of course. Neither Kulich or Kasper are outstanding NHL players this season. I gave 2 quick examples of guys that have stood out to me.. didn't know I had to name every NHLer who has been oustanding this year. Helle, Necas, Makar, Hughes, McD, Kaprizov. There are a few more for you. I'd guess aroung 30 to 40 guys would fit that label right now.

My bad about the on ice shooting percentage. Thanks for clairication.

Your whole issue is completely semantical though. Some people will judge a player in Kaspers position and say he's done outstanding given his circumstances and context. You think the only players in the league that are outstanding are the top 5 scorers or so. I wouldn't necessarily say Kasper has been outstanding this year, but given his circumstances I can see why some people would with all the context

 

[Czechboy]

See below, plus yes, Holland

Edmonton fans in this thread have arrogance because they think they know about how to rebuild a team. Look, the oil took ~7 first overall picks and landing a future top 5 player of all time to finally go on one playoff run on year 9 of said top 5 player. Maybe guys like Seider and Raymond should get a little time before anyone in Edmonton judges Detroits rebuild

Edmonton is not an example of how any team should do anything rebuild wise at all. Congrats on your one big playoff run where they almost won.

Your whole issue is completely semantical though. Some people will judge a player in Kaspers position and say he's done outstanding given his circumstances and context. You think the only players in the league that are outstanding are the top 5 scorers or so. I wouldn't necessarily say Kasper has been outstanding this year, but given his circumstances I can see why some people would with all the context

He's not been outstanding for a top 10 rookie either. He's been good. He's growing. Future looks good. Very hard league to play in. Too good for AHL. It's all good news. His circumstance is being a first rounder rookie in NHL. Lots of comparables for that. I don't think he's winning the Norris.. just like Kulich. In fact, let's look at rookies for similar circumstance..

He's behind Ivan Ivan who is a free agent signing that was never drafted and is a bottom 6 player. He projects to have 9 points after 35 games. So he may be 1 point better than Ivan Ivan after 35 games. I know you guys like to brag about redrafts in the future to show Yzerman is so good.. well

He was drafted 8th and is not in the top 10 for his draft year. That includes Defenceman who have more points than your first round C today. I'd take Mint over him in a second in a redraft. Time will tell but he's currently not winning in a redraft. Time will tell of course, maybe he explodes like a lot of rookies and sophomores do. I do think he'll be an NHLer for a long time and was a good pick. But 'outstanding' is silly.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Thing to keep in mind is based on draft position the players coming in the next couple years are more likely to be depth guys. The highest picks are all already on the roster. Best thing for the Wings is an accidental tank and top 4 pick. It’s not a great look for the cult of Yzerman but best outcome for wings long term future.

 

[TRG]

Please beat us twice and get back in the mix

You're funny

 

[Bank Shot]

Edmonton fans in this thread have arrogance because they think they know about how to rebuild a team. Look, the oil took ~7 first overall picks and landing a future top 5 player of all time to finally go on one playoff run on year 9 of said top 5 player. Maybe guys like Seider and Raymond should get a little time before anyone in Edmonton judges Detroits rebuild

Edmonton is not an example of how any team should do anything rebuild wise at all. Congrats on your one big playoff run where they almost won.

Yeah Oilers had a terrible rebuild. Took them 10 years to make the playoffs.

Red Wings are currently working on year 9 and the team is not even close to competing.

How does Raymond-Seider-Larkin compare to the top 3 players on the last 15 Cup winners? Not well. Not well. This is a core that still needs to add a couple of guys that are better than their best 3 players. Where are those guys going to come from?

Working on 9 years out of the playoff, and the apologists are still saying wait on the next wave of guys that arent even in the NHL yet......

Not sure why Red Wings fans think their rebuild is superior to anyone's at the moment.

 

[Czechboy]

ow does Raymond-Seider-Larkin compare to the top 3 players

Larkin would be our 3C.. no way he takes a job from McDavid or Draisaitl. I know 'hes better than Eichel' but he's pretty similar to RNH as well. .78 career average for RNH, .77 career average for Larkin. Seider would be the 2RD of our dreams but wouldn't see the PP at all. Maybe he'd eclipse Bouch and take his spot? Maybe? Raymond would love us.. he'd be on wing with either McD or Drai and would be a 100 point player as a complimentary player.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

Wings analytics are quite poor. Worst in the league offensively and mediocre defensively. Their closest comparable is actually Chicago. Doesn't seem like a playoff team this year.
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Gotta trust the Yzerplan though!

 

[Michoulicious]

Walman is killing it in SJ and somehow they had to give a 2nd to get rid if him.

Now their D is putrid.

 

[saska sault]

Walman is killing it in SJ and somehow they had to give a 2nd to get rid if him.

Now their D is putrid.

You have just echoed 35 of these 70 pages. Very creative.