Detroit Redwings Downfall

[Geezer WC]

and if yzerman would have spent more future cap on better ufa the team would have gotten into playoffs past few years to do nothing . lessening his draft spot and future cap space , all at the cost of future success . but many fans are too dense to figure that out and choose to get their kicks by yzer'bashing . too dense to figure out that more expensive ufa signings would have created a problem when signing sides n rayz . also too dense to realize yzerman obviously proved he knew what he was doing in tbay during a dynasty run via drafting n trading , the only thing slowed tbay down was the cap caused them to lose important depth players . how fans can sit here ignoring what yzer did in tbay then the 1st round draft pix he keeps rocking in detroit and bash him is ridiculous . not to mention the absolute all time shambles detroits depth chart was in when he took over , people prove their stupidity by not realizing a depth chart that gone takes minimum 6 or 7 years to rebuild because the hockey talent pool on earth isnt very deep as theres fewer athletes earth wide playing this cold weather sport ! mean while people can play baseball , football , bball world wide near 12 month out of year so theres more good players to draft in other sports so rebuilds happen quicker . mean while guys like asp/cossa/buchnelnikov/finnie/lombardi/augustine are doing great but of course the bashers dont reconize that

lol. You make it sound like people are playing baseball in Winnipeg right now but nobody is playing summer hockey in Cali. What are you even on about?

 

[EpochLink]

Detroit's pro scouting is a dumpster fire. Meanwhile, look at what Jim Nill has done with a different staff in Dallas - elite drafting

I asked earlier who’s the head of Detroit’s pro scouting, someone said it was Steve Yzerman’s brother. What experience does he have exactly?

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

I asked earlier who’s the head of Detroit’s pro scouting, someone said it was Steve Yzerman’s brother. What experience does he have exactly?

Being stevie’s brother

 

[EpochLink]

Being stevie’s brother

The nepotism is strong with that hire.

 

[Bank Shot]

Debrincat would be a dump?

If there wasn’t any doubt you were trolling before, now it’s painfully obvious.

Who wants to pay 8 million for a one way forward whose offense is good, but not great?

Not teams trying to compete.

There is no way I would give up a first rounder for that as a GM. Maybe a 3rd or a 4th at most.

If I'm GM of a contender it doesn't make sense to add him at all unless he comes at half retained.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

I don’t really get tf you people want.

How about not being well on the way to a 9th straight year outside the playoffs and for them to be regressing in year 6 of Yzerman's tenure?

 

[SensFactor]

Losing both Walman and Gostisbehere really has hurt the Wings. Both players having good years elsewhere.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

You can spend your money and time the way you want. But the way Yzerman is building this team is exactly the way I would do it. I can relate to his rebuild. I see the light at the end of the tunnel, you probably see fire and brimstone.

Actually, as I said before, I hope that the exalted "kids" turn out to be the NHL's best young group of players ever assembled. But for now, that's all they are - kids who have no experience, and who are nothing but Yzerman's job security that allow him to say "sure, my FA signings have been horrible, but just wait for the kids to show up!"

I like to think I'm a blast at parties.

You're right, Yzerman could build a contender for the next 2 years if he mortgaged the entire foreseeable future. I am sure he could trade all his 1st rounder until 2027 and trade ASP, MBN, Cossa, Edvinsson, Kasper, Danielsson, etc and get some nice pieces who are on wrong side of their prime.

Actually, he could have been smarter with his free-agent signings and not signed Holland-esque contracts to players like Andrew Copp and J.T. Compher, a combined $11 million dollars for something like 4 points in the last combined 40 games.

But that would get me on the "fire Yzerman" bandwagon. As a paying client, I enjoy watching the progress of the prospects as the team improves each season. I enjoy watching Seider and Raymond win and nearly win the calder. I enjoy seeing Edvinsson become something special. I enjoyed watching Cossa come in a losing game and walk away with the win.

I'm not on the "fire Yzerman" bandwagon (I'm 1,00000% on the fire Lalonde bandwagon). But it's not unreasonable to say at the very least, he's been wholly underwhelming.

My guess is that's just who you are on a daily basis. I bet you're real fun at parties!

I'm a blast at parties. Just wait until you try my King's Hawaiian brisket sliders.

Stop crying about "paying clients". Either pay and watch... or go kick rocks. Maybe Lions are more up your alley if you can't deal with DRWs growing pains.

I hope this isn't your attitude in your real profession - how dare paying clients want a return on their financial and emotional investments.

We're well past the point of "growing pains" and far closer to how the Lions were before two years ago - organizational incompetence and being stuck in neutral.

 

[RedHawkDown]

How about not being well on the way to a 9th straight year outside the playoffs and for them to be regressing in year 6 of Yzerman's tenure?

Sure. So what’s the alternative this year? What should they do?

 

[TKB]

I asked earlier who’s the head of Detroit’s pro scouting, someone said it was Steve Yzerman’s brother. What experience does he have exactly?

When I first saw this mentioned, I found it more than a bit eye-opening, and looked into it a bit further.

I don't know if Chris is or isn't the head of pre-scouting, but the website lists him as one of several pro scouts. I keep seeing where he is the head of pro scouting, but I am not sure what the source of this is.

According to a Ken Campbell tweet Chris replaced a well respected scout in Glen Merkosky, I don't know if he was then head of pro scouting or not.

Chris Y. has worked in Tampa Bay and apparently had a good reputation. I can't find where I read it but saw something stating he started in amateur scouting, then moved to pro-side (in Tampa).

I did find this article from Detroit Sports Nation (no idea of their reputation but this article seemed legit) with some very interesting observations:

BREAKING: Steve Yzerman fires longtime employee, hires own brother

In a surprising move that marks a significant shift within the Detroit Red Wings' scouting department, General Manager Steve Yzerman has announced the dismissal of longtime pro scout Glenn Merkosky, a key figure in the organization during two of its Stanley Cup victories. Replacing him is Chris...

detroitsportsnation.com

The decision to replace Merkosky has come as a shock to many, especially given his successful track record with the team. While the Red Wings have not publicly outlined the specific reasons behind Merkosky’s departure, it is speculated that the move could be part of a broader strategy to infuse new approaches and perspectives into the team’s scouting operations. This change might also reflect a shift towards a more analytics-driven approach, something that Steve Yzerman has been known to advocate for in his previous management roles.


Stepping into this crucial role, Chris Yzerman brings with him a wealth of experience from his scouting days with the Tampa Bay Lightning, where he worked closely under Steve Yzerman. His tenure in Tampa Bay was marked by a keen ability to spot underrated talent, contributing to the assembly of a roster that reached the Stanley Cup Finals. His approach to scouting, often described as methodical and data-oriented, aligns with the contemporary trends in talent evaluation that rely heavily on analytics alongside traditional scouting methods.

Make of it what you want. Recent UFA signings have been underwhelming for sure. The Copp, Compher and even Chiraot signings at least filled needed roles with respected vets without setting future salary and term structures out of wack.

On the other hand letting Gostisbehere walk over an additional million and 3yr vs 2yr compared to Gustafsson when you knew you were going to dump Walman has left a gaping hole on the back end.

One thing SY did very well in Tampa was fix his problems and mistakes. Drouin, St. Louis. The Lecavalier buyout may be near SOP today's standards, but at the time was eye-opening and considered by some even ruthless. He juggled around a bit with goalies until hitting on Bishop then Vasilevskiy.

 

[Dotter]

Didn’t see that coming

You know how is it obvious you have no clue about DRWs? The fact you think Yzerman leaks anything. Love it/Hate it.... Yzerman leaks nothing. He gives interviews and you can hear what he's saying, only when asked the right questions.

The source I have is what Yzerman said during interviews, and I am not digging through 5 years of audio interviews! He said it's going to be a rebuild through the draft. Then you go online and look at when placeholder contracts expire. It's pretty simple basic common sense stuff right there!

Ooof.

 

[Dotter]

I asked earlier who’s the head of Detroit’s pro scouting, someone said it was Steve Yzerman’s brother. What experience does he have exactly?

My understanding is Stevie's brother was responsible in Tampa and found guys like Tyler Johnson, Sergachev, etc.

 

[SirKillalot]

I asked earlier who’s the head of Detroit’s pro scouting, someone said it was Steve Yzerman’s brother. What experience does he have exactly?

News Article: - Yzerman fires longtime scout Merkosky, hires his own brohter

Chris Yzerman at eliteprospects.com

 

[RedHawkDown]

Losing both Walman and Gostisbehere really has hurt the Wings. Both players having good years elsewhere.

This I agree with - the pro scouting in Detroit is terrible and needs to turn around if the team is ever going to contend.

 

[Dotter]

Losing both Walman and Gostisbehere really has hurt the Wings. Both players having good years elsewhere.

If losing for a better draft position is part of the plan, then wouldn't that be "helping the Wings"?

Not firing Laldone proves Yzerman is fine with the team not winning. I haven't been following the upcoming draft, but my understanding is there isn't much of a talent difference in the top 8 or so across the board. Maybe top 8 sounds delicious to him.

 

[Czechboy]

Didn’t see that coming

'deductive reasoning' is an all timer for me lol.

 

[Czechboy]

Sure. So what’s the alternative this year? What should they do?

Tank

Get.campbell.. trade Talbot.

Get a top 3 pick.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Tank

Get.campbell.. trade Talbot.

Get a top 3 pick.

Totally agreed.

I think if they can get someone like Michael Misa this year, and then sign a guy like Ehlers in the offseason + trade for a competent top 4 dman like Hague, they can enter next year with a lineup like:

Misa-Larkin-Raymond
Ehlers-Kasper-DeBrincat
Compher-Danielson-Tarasenko
Mazur-Copp-Rasmussen

Edvinsson-Seider
Hague-ASP
bottom pairing

Cossa/Lyon tandem in net.

That team could see a big jump in the standings next year. A top pick this year would be a huge thing for this rebuild.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Who wants to pay 8 million for a one way forward whose offense is good, but not great?

Not teams trying to compete.

There is no way I would give up a first rounder for that as a GM. Maybe a 3rd or a 4th at most.

If I'm GM of a contender it doesn't make sense to add him at all unless he comes at half retained.

He is tied for 75th in scoring while being 76th in cap hit.

He is literally worth almost exactly he cap hit

This is while playing with, in your words, no other elite players.

He is absolutely worth his cap hit and this is such a sad troll attempt.

 

[Czechboy]

Totally agreed.

I think if they can get someone like Michael Misa this year, and then sign a guy like Ehlers in the offseason + trade for a competent top 4 dman like Hague, they can enter next year with a lineup like:

Misa-Larkin-Raymond
Ehlers-Kasper-DeBrincat
Compher-Danielson-Tarasenko
Mazur-Copp-Rasmussen

Edvinsson-Seider
Hague-ASP
bottom pairing

Cossa/Lyon tandem in net.

That team could see a big jump in the standings next year. A top pick this year would be a huge thing for this rebuild.

Yup.. trade anyone on current roster not named Seider, Ed, Larkin, Raymond, Johannson. Ddon't trade any propsects. Try and get picks and young players back. Then sign some 'non filler' type UFA's to fill in some holes.

I think it'd see a big jump in standings points next year. Nice core established.

 

[Cursed Lemon]

trade anyone on current roster not named Seider, Ed, Larkin, Raymond, Johannson

That won't even get us a 2nd-rounder back lol

 

[Martin Skoula]

He is tied for 75th in scoring while being 76th in cap hit.

He is literally worth almost exactly he cap hit

This is while playing with, in your words, no other elite players.

He is absolutely worth his cap hit and this is such a sad troll attempt.

If low calorie “someone has to score” points on a lottery team are the only evaluation criteria sure. There’s no contender where Debrincat is the best bang for the buck spend of 8 million dollars + trade assets, let alone the assets you’d need to ship out to clear the cap space in the first place.

He’s gonna be a bad team stat accumulator for the majority of his career and that’s ok, nobody is paying a 1st for him at full cap though.

 

[Czechboy]

That won't even get us a 2nd-rounder back lol

No but 3rd and 4th rounders... guys I think have value for a pick or something like that.

Kane, Tarasenko, Petry (I think all expiring contracts)

Talbot is worth something.. he'll fetch something decent.

They aren't part of the long term plan.. get as much as you can to help with next season and the draft.

 

[dekelikekocur]

No but 3rd and 4th rounders... guys I think have value for a pick or something like that.

Kane, Tarasenko, Petry (I think all expiring contracts)

Talbot is worth something.. he'll fetch something decent.

They aren't part of the long term plan.. get as much as you can to help with next season and the draft.

Petry won't be traded. Has ties to the Detroit area, his dad was a Tiger for some time years ago. That trade was more of a Illitch family doing a retired players family a solid by getting their kid back to town for his impending retirement.

Kane and Tarasenko can go, I don't really feel like either of them are worth the roster spot that could be given to someone much hungrier.

 

[Czechboy]

Petry won't be traded. Has ties to the Detroit area, his dad was a Tiger for some time years ago. That trade was more of a Illitch family doing a retired players family a solid by getting their kid back to town for his impending retirement.

Kane and Tarasenko can go, I don't really feel like either of them are worth the roster spot that could be given to someone much hungrier.

Isn't he UFA? I can't imagine he's getting another contract in Detroit.. or is he?