Detroit Redwings Downfall

[OysterForever]

Hearing Lalonde isn't the best coach right now to boost players' confidence and morale

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Is this thread allowed to be bumped at random if the wings go on small win streak? Asking' for a friend..

That friend is me. I'm asking.

Tell friend to not jinx the streak!

 

[Pavels Dog]

Seems like major wishful thinking to think you will have 3 Norris trophy contenders on one team.

"potential". That's the word I used. Not "I think this is a sure thing", which seems to be the sentence you read.

Trying to peg goaltending prospects as having Vezina potential is pretty out there as well.

Why is it "pretty out there" to say 2 of the world's 5 best goalie prospects have that potential? Wouldn't it be far more out there to say the best goalie prospects in the world don't have that potential?

Seider, Edvinsson, ASP = Norris calibre potential
Cossa, Augustine = Vezina calibre potential
Kasper, Danielson = Selke calibre potential

I edited this for you since you also seem to have read a completely different sentence.
Just to check if you understand the meaning of the word; would you say Connor Bedard has Hart-potential, despite him not being in the top 100 Hart candidates this season?

 

[Knight53]

They just don’t have any star calibre talent. They remind me of the Canucks before they got their Franchise pieces in Hughes/Pettersson/Demko/Miller. Larkin/Raymond is their Horvat/Boeser. Their defence for the future is looking solid but lack that game changing #1 dman.

Need elite level management to get out of this purgatory which I don’t think they have at all. Best bet is just hope for a lottery win.

 

[beachcomber]

So now you've thrown out "franchise altering" and "superstar" without any attempt to define either term. How many superstars are in the league?

I'll start with my definition:

Superstars: McDavid, Draisatl, Mackinnon, Makar, Pastrnak, Kucherov, Shesterkin.
Could be talked into maybe another 2-3 names. But that's about it. ~10 max.
20+ teams at least don't have a superstar in my eyes. So you might see why I don't think the lack of a superstar is the be all, end all.

Does Detroit have one? No. But they probably have at least a handful of players that either are or could get into the tier below = "stars".

Quinn Hughes is a superstar. Too bad Detroit passed on him.

 

[Pavels Dog]

They just don’t have any star calibre talent. They remind me of the Canucks before they got their Franchise pieces in Hughes/Pettersson/Demko/Miller. Larkin/Raymond is their Horvat/Boeser. Their defence for the future is looking solid but lack that game changing #1 dman.

Need elite level management to get out of this purgatory which I don’t think they have at all. Best bet is just hope for a lottery win.

Raymond has outscored Pettersson in 2024. He’s 22 btw.

 

[sxvnert]

Rebuilds on the fly rarely work and unfortunately Yzer still hasn't come to terms with it.

 

[Cursed Lemon]

Anyone who watched today's game and thinks the problem isn't Lalonde is on crack

 

[NVious]

When Yzerman took over the team had just finished with 74 points. 5.5 years later they are on pace for 78 points, unless he has an absolute gem come in next year and they make the playoffs, that should be it for him. 7 years with little to no progress in terms of contention is not a good result, not that I care either way, but I would want him gone at that point.