Confirmed Signing with Link: [DET] Danny DeKeyser (6 years, $5M AAV)

[Ezekial]

You call the past few pages "healthy discussion"? Seems more like arguments and hostile commenting to me.

It seems purely nonsensical at this point.

HERO charts aren't the end all be all either, but neither is the eye test nor are zone starts.

Want to talk nonsensical?

Dekeyser being worth 3m as a UFA and bringing up Morgan Rielly, now that's nonsensical.

The sad thing really isn't the lack of knowledge on DDK's actual ability - it's the lack of understanding of RFA/UFA differences and what the actual market is nowadays.

 

[Bob Probert Owns You]

I am definitely not a Holland fanboy, but I am okay with this deal. DDK was the Wings best dman for a majority of last season. I see him growing into a top-pairing talent.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

That's a boat load of cash for Dekeyser, a d-man I actually really like. Needs more production for that price though.

 

[LeafFever]

6 years for Dekeyser, 7 for Abdelkader. Yikes. Too many years for supporting pieces.

 

[TNT87]

I think it's too much for him.

 

[MikeModano9]

Not a bad deal at all imo. $5M seems about right. The NTC is only first 3 years? Structured pretty good too. You guys now need to shuffle some deck chairs and get Mrazek locked up! He's my favourite Wing player right now haha.

 

[Reddwit]

6 years for Dekeyser, 7 for Abdelkader. Yikes. Too many years for supporting pieces.

A supporting piece? How is the guy who Mike Babcock deployed as Detroit's #2 defenseman in his rookie and sophomore years, still was Detroit's #2 last year, and will likely take over as the #1 this upcoming year a "supporting piece?"

The Abdelkader deal is an atrocity. One of the worst deals in the game. This is not that.

 

[WastedTalent]

6 years for Dekeyser, 7 for Abdelkader. Yikes. Too many years for supporting pieces.

DDK is a little more than just a supporting piece..

 

[Frk It]

A supporting piece? How is the guy who Mike Babcock deployed as Detroit's #2 defenseman in his rookie and sophomore years, still was Detroit's #2 last year, and will likely take over as the #1 this upcoming year a "supporting piece?"

The Abdelkader deal is an atrocity. One of the worst deals in the game. This is not that.

He will lead our team in ice time. He will not be a #1 defenseman. #1 defenseman play on the PP.

He neither is one, or is utilized as one.

 

[93LEAFS]

Want to talk nonsensical?

Dekeyser being worth 3m as a UFA and bringing up Morgan Rielly, now that's nonsensical.

The sad thing really isn't the lack of knowledge on DDK's actual ability - it's the lack of understanding of RFA/UFA differences and what the actual market is nowadays.

I'm not a fan of this deal, but to keep defenders at this point you have to overpay them. Leafs bought two years of UFA from Rielly, Red Wings bought 5 from Dekeyser, they are completely different scenarios.

 

[Go Wings]

I am a Wings fan and have watched DDK since he came in the league and this is an overpayment. He had s very average year and is not worth 6 years at 5 million per. More like 4 million at 3 or 4 years. Classic Holland overpaying players for what he thinks they are or what they could be instead of paying for what they are.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

A supporting piece? How is the guy who Mike Babcock deployed as Detroit's #2 defenseman in his rookie and sophomore years, still was Detroit's #2 last year, and will likely take over as the #1 this upcoming year a "supporting piece?"

The Abdelkader deal is an atrocity. One of the worst deals in the game. This is not that.

Mike Babcock deployed Justin Abdelkader as a first line forward. Justin Abdelkader was probably our most consistent forward last year and will be very important this coming season.

He isn't a first line forward just like DeKeyser isn't a #1 D-man.

I get that nobody likes Abdelkader's term. But Abdelkader's worth his contract right now and likely will be for several more years. It is the tail-end that is concerning. While DeKeyser is unlikely to be a huge injury concern at the end of his contract (even though he still looks like a bag of bones and has had them snap already before) he actually isn't worth this today...

I don't really like either deal, Abdelkader's while certainly not on term is actually probably a little under market. DK's is above market for what he is and he is coming off a year where he didn't progress as expected. Neither is ideal, neither are the type of guys you worry about showing up for work and putting in an honest night or practice though. So we will see. These aren't really deals I care about like the Helm deal though in terms of anger.

 

[Warden of the North]

I think its fine.

 

[ulvvf]

He earns more than Klingberg then.

 

[Frk It]

Mind blowing how little casual hockey fans know about the difference in valuation in UFA and RFA years in NHL contracts.

You guys should all go comment on the Luke Glendening contract thread. Did you know he makes more than Connor McDavid? Oh my goddddddddddd

 

[ulvvf]

Mind blowing how little casual hockey fans know about the difference in valuation in UFA and RFA years in NHL contracts.

You guys should all go comment on the Luke Glendening contract thread. Did you know he makes more than Connot McDavid? Oh my goddddddddddd

Is it even possible for McDavid to earn more than he do? He has a rookie contract. So kind of bad example, but I get your point, even if I would rather take both Lucic and Eriksson thant did go for about 6m that was free agent and therefore should have higher value. I know they are forwards but still.

 

[Syckle78]

The deal is fine. Maybe a tad too much aav. The actual problem is that our best defenseman is at best a pretty good #3. Go,go Kenny Holland!

 

[Ezekial]

He earns more than Klingberg then.

Except you know, the whole RFA timing aspect.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Mind blowing how little casual hockey fans know about the difference in valuation in UFA and RFA years in NHL contracts.

You guys should all go comment on the Luke Glendening contract thread. Did you know he makes more than Connot McDavid? Oh my goddddddddddd

Actually, he doesn't this year...

Who's "Connot McDavid" anyways?

 

[TSN Jdog]

Really great deal! Good defender on a better contract

 

[Frk It]

Actually, he doesn't this year...

Who's "Connot McDavid" anyways?

I think you know what I meant, typo on my part.

Anyhow, 5/6 years of this deal would have been UFA. Almost every comparable given in this thread to make this deal look worse than it is was 50/50 RFA/UFA or worse.

It's not the same thing whatsoever. Completely different circumstances. Glendening/McDavid wasn't the best example, but look at the players people are citing in this thread. Again, different circumstances pretty much every single time.

I don't even love this deal. Think it's not great, not bad. Just a lot of misinformation going around, and people misunderstanding how contracts work.

 

[InfinityIggy]

A supporting piece? How is the guy who Mike Babcock deployed as Detroit's #2 defenseman in his rookie and sophomore years, still was Detroit's #2 last year, and will likely take over as the #1 this upcoming year a "supporting piece?"

The Abdelkader deal is an atrocity. One of the worst deals in the game. This is not that.

Serious question, do you view DeKeyser as a #1 (top 30) D?

 

[Rectify]

Good idea locking him up long term. Little too much at this point, but will most likely be worth it in two years. Great young player.

 

[HabsQC]

he must have used Alexei Emelin's contract, because I don't see why this kind of defenseman should get that much money and that much term. Id give 4m max, 4 years max

 

[Rectify]

he must have used Alexei Emelin's contract, because I don't see why this kind of defenseman should get that much money and that much term. Id give 4m max, 4 years max

Wow, what a huge leap, you really went out on the edge there.