Confirmed Trade: [DET/CAR] Alex Nedeljkovic for Jonathan Bernier and 2021 3rd (VGK)

[jfrank21]

Can Stevie just offer Ken Holland pick #22 and a large hot and ready for Draisatl and call it an offseason? I don't see how Holland says no

 

[AvsFanInMichigan]

Not sure why Carolina would do that but okay. Detroit made out like a bandit

 

[Realgud]

Can Stevie just offer Ken Holland pick #22 and a large hot and ready for Draisatl and call it an offseason? I don't see how Holland says no

Just offer #22 for #19 and Draisaitl. Holland loves trading down to unload big contracts

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Making sense of that contract offer...

Phillip Grubauer 2017
- 25 years old
- Coming off a 2 year bridge
- 68 total GP
- 2.04 GAA and a .926 SV% in 24 GP in the most recent regular season

He signed a 1 year deal for $1.5 mil (Link). Adjusted for inflation, that's ~$1.63 mil.

...

I'm not even a sycophant for the people in charge. They are not flawless. There is a logical explanation to all of this beyond Dundon is cheap and Waddell is an idiot, however: they don't believe in the player. That could be a mistake. We'll see.

 

[jfrank21]

Just offer #22 for #19 and Draisaitl. Holland loves trading down to unload big contracts

I mean, yeah that works. That way Kenny will have plenty of room to sign Hyman and the corpse of Corey Perry.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Not enough advertisements on the jerseys in Carolina to afford him or what?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Here's a better one.

Detroit fans right now:

Carolina fans:

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Not enough advertisements on the jerseys in Carolina to afford him or what?

Just didn't think his resume warranted what he wanted in a salary. Maybe they'll be wrong on this, but that's what they felt.

 

[ThePsychicSaw]

Stevie Y always got me going

in his favor

 

[PavelBure10]

This has got to be one of the most lopsided trades in recent memory, what the heck is Carolina thinking? To rub more salt in the wounds, Yzerman then signs him to a amazing contract.

Wtf

 

[StrictlyCommercial]

A 3rd... post expansion draft. Why even bother protecting him. They could have kept Geekie.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Carolina didn't want to sign a guy whose ask was in the $3 to $3.5 million range? Exactly how cheap are they?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Carolina didn't want to sign a guy whose ask was in the $3 to $3.5 million range? Exactly how cheap are they?

And what's even funnier is that is probably what Bernier wants as a FA.

I'm just waiting for him to reject Carolina's lowball offer, come back to Detroit, and then Detroit trades Greiss.

 

[Mikeshane]

Carolina have basically made a statement that Ned was mostly just a product of their strong defensive team.

Now we get to watch to see what he does on Detroit and find out if they're correct.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Carolina didn't want to sign a guy whose ask was in the $3 to $3.5 million range? Exactly how cheap are they?

When they spend the same or more on a different goalie, are they still going to be called cheap?

I don't get the urge to not entertain this as a hockey decision.

 

[FeatherHead]

While trades like this always cause me to raise an eyebrow, I have to remind myself I’m not an NHL GM, nor do I know even the slightest details that lead to such a decision.

My only areas of disbelief come from my lack of understanding as to how no other team could have put together a better deal, why your giving up on a Calder trophy nominee, and…who in the actual **** is going to be your two goaltenders this season that you feel are going to put perform this guy?

I mean, if the asking price was somehow too steep, who are you going to get more cheaply that’ll outperform this guy at his asking price?

 

[bossram]

I don't get the "OMG Dundon so cHeAp!!" arguments. It's clearly not about the money. Bernier will cost roughly the same to sign. As will any 1B goaltender.

They just don't really believe in Ned. He had basically a 30 game run of good play in the NHL after years of middling play in the AHL.

Whether he's for real or not is for you to decide. Clearly Carolina doesn't think so.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

When they spend the same or more on a different goalie, are they still going to be called cheap?

I don't get the urge to not entertain this as a hockey decision.

But, why? What was it about Nedeljackalsandwich that they didn't like? If it was a hockey decision and not a money decision, what was it about his game they felt they needed to move on from?

 

[Ishad]

Finally tally: Tomas Tatar for joe veleno, nedeljkovic and Robert mastrosimone

 

[Kocur Dill]

Why does Carolina hate him so much... waivers earlier in the year and now traded​

I don't get it either.

He was a star goalie in JR's at Plymouth. They nursed him along in Charlotte for as many years as they reasonably could. Maybe the kid is a late bloomer, but why invest all that time, scouting, and training into him then cut him loose when he shows he can perform in the NHL for a team that hasn't had a 1A level starting Goalie since Cam Ward?

Add to that they are a top contender the past 2 or 3 years and it's a real head scratcher. If Bernier retires then they gave him away for a shitty pick?

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

I don't get the "OMG Dundon so cHeAp!!" arguments. It's clearly not about the money. Bernier will cost roughly the same to sign. As will any 1B goaltender.

They just don't really believe in Ned. He had basically a 30 game run of good play in the NHL after years of middling play in the AHL.

Whether he's for real or not is for you to decide. Clearly Carolina doesn't think so.

Carolina didn't sign a calder-nominated 25 year old goalie to a fairly cheap deal in a league where goalies often don't develop until their mid-late 20s?

I mean, the trade might work out for the Canes. On the surface, it's an indefensible trade. A bad trade. Mrazek and Reimer's stats were nowhere near as good and they were playing behind the same defense.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Seriously Carolina... what the actual Faulk.

Nedeljkovic carried the team and just give him to Detroit for nothing? My god.

 

[vildurson]

This trade clearly shows that Canes do not believe in Ned. Most likely not a money saving thing. Just not believing the goalie.

But when you look at the recent track record that Canes has with goalies, Ned will probably be perennial Vezina contender in Detroit. Never trust Canes when it comes to their judgement for goaltenders.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

But, why? What was it about Nedeljackalsandwich that they didn't like? If it was a hockey decision and not a money decision, what was it about his game they felt they needed to move on from?

The easy I really don't know anything about the goalie position at a technical level explanation is size. Bernier is of a similar frame, but I'm not so quick to assume that they'll try to sign him as a 1A.

FWIW, they were right there on Markstrom in free agency with Calgary in the Fall. They've been in on Lehner multiple times over the years too.

 

[bossram]

Carolina didn't sign a calder-nominated 25 year old goalie to a fairly cheap deal in a league where goalies often don't develop until their mid-late 20s?

I mean, the trade might work out for the Canes. On the surface, it's an indefensible trade. A bad trade. Mrazek and Reimer's stats were nowhere near as good and they were playing behind the same defense.

I'm not saying they should or shouldn't have given him the same deal Detroit did. But I am saying that you basically have next-to-no evidence on evaluating a goalie after 30 games. Goalies are voodoo. He could go on to be Lundquist or turn into another Andrew Hammond. A 30 game run won't tell you which outcome is more likely.

Carolina didn't buy the 30 game sample after 3 seasons of mixed play in the AHL. That's defensible. They probably should've managed the asset better and gotten more in a trade if that was the direction they were going in though.