Proposal: DET and PIT Jarry for #15 + Husso + Berggren

[Hobnobs]

Okay everyone, I think at this point we've all come to the early conclusion that the original offer is not realistic but let's move on and discuss the value of Jarry to Detroit.

From a logical base, I think the Penguins would want Berggren. A young forward prospect for a starting goalie is hardly a far fetched base value. Using that as the base, would Detroit likely want to keep Husso or include him in the deal for cap purposes? The Yzerman tweet left it a little open but makes me think that he wouldn't mind Husso+tandem goalie but he would want a longer-ish term commitment which makes me think Jarry is a fit.

If Yzerman elects to keep Husso, does Lyon become part of the package? Lyon+Berggren for Jarry seems like a decent deal for both sides. If Husso is to be included with the deal, I do think a bit more needs to come back because there's not much that's attractive about a $4.5mil goalies running 3.5+ and sub .900. So Emp's deal for Husso+Berggren+3rd is spot on.

Cap wise, Detroit doesn't have any bad contracts that I see and there's space for days so taking on Jarry at $5.35mil seems quite easy.

The thing is, Wings doesnt really need to dump Husso. He only has a year left. Jarrys contract is just too long for it to make sense trading for him. I just dont see Detroit as the destination. We'd prefer an vet upgrade on a shorter term.

 

[SirloinUB]

Hell no. This is brutal for detroit and terrible asset management.

 

[SEALBound]

The thing is, Wings doesnt really need to dump Husso. He only has a year left. Jarrys contract is just too long for it to make sense trading for him. I just dont see Detroit as the destination. We'd prefer an vet upgrade on a shorter term.

I'm not going to say that doesn't make sense but it does go in direct contradiction to what Yzerman said in the tweet.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Irony is Detroit could have drafted Markstrom Detroit sucks at drafting goalies.

Weird take. Every team had a chance to draft Markström, and he’s now on his 5th NHL team. The odds of Markström still being with the Wings had they drafted him are astronomically small.

 

[Petes2424]

Think it’s pretty obvious the goaltender market has been set. The only one who has a chance to get more than what we’ve already seen plays in Nashville right now, and that’s assuming he’s willing to extend where he goes. Gibson won’t even get what Markstrom did unless Anaheim retains a good chunk.

If the Pens are moving on from Jarry, at this point they’d be lucky to get Husso with a mid range prospect in return, because of the term he has compared to Husso. So why really make the deal, unless you’re trying to get rid of the contract?

 

[datsyukfan]

Think it’s pretty obvious the goaltender market has been set. The only one who has a chance to get more than what we’ve already seen plays in Nashville right now, and that’s assuming he’s willing to extend where he goes. Gibson won’t even get what Markstrom did unless Anaheim retains a good chunk.

If the Pens are moving on from Jarry, at this point they’d be lucky to get Husso with a mid range prospect in return, because of the term he has compared to Husso. So why really make the deal, unless you’re trying to get rid of the contract?

Im assuming if it’s Gibson Anaheim would be okay taking back Husso. Would love to maybe be able to do Husso +2nd + Fabbri for Gibson + 5th. I would be willing to do Husso + 15 + Fabbri for Gibson and an extended vatrano

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Okay everyone, I think at this point we've all come to the early conclusion that the original offer is not realistic but let's move on and discuss the value of Jarry to Detroit.

From a logical base, I think the Penguins would want Berggren. A young forward prospect for a starting goalie is hardly a far fetched base value. Using that as the base, would Detroit likely want to keep Husso or include him in the deal for cap purposes? The Yzerman tweet left it a little open but makes me think that he wouldn't mind Husso+tandem goalie but he would want a longer-ish term commitment which makes me think Jarry is a fit.

If Yzerman elects to keep Husso, does Lyon become part of the package? Lyon+Berggren for Jarry seems like a decent deal for both sides. If Husso is to be included with the deal, I do think a bit more needs to come back because there's not much that's attractive about a $4.5mil goalies running 3.5+ and sub .900. So Emp's deal for Husso+Berggren+3rd is spot on.

Cap wise, Detroit doesn't have any bad contracts that I see and there's space for days so taking on Jarry at $5.35mil seems quite easy.

Value of Jarry to Detroit is zero. Detroit doesn't want or need Jarry. He's got 4 years at 5.3M

If they're giving money and term to a goalie, they want a better goalie than Jarry.
More likely, they want probably a two year stopgap situation.

Honestly, he at .909 gives them nothing much more than what a healthy Husso or a not-overworked Lyon does. They do not want nor need for a goalie they owe $20M to unless that goalie is a marked upgrade.

They CERTAINLY don't want to give up assets to take on a much worse contract for a somewhat better player.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Value of Jarry to Detroit is zero. Detroit doesn't want or need Jarry. He's got 4 years at 5.3M

If they're giving money and term to a goalie, they want a better goalie than Jarry.
More likely, they want probably a two year stopgap situation.

Honestly, he at .909 gives them nothing much more than what a healthy Husso or a not-overworked Lyon does. They do not want nor need for a goalie they owe $20M to unless that goalie is a marked upgrade.

They CERTAINLY don't want to give up assets to take on a much worse contract for a somewhat better player.

Yzerman flat out said this wasn't the case.

 

[Tatar Shots]

Yzerman flat out said this wasn't the case.

I’m not opposed to adding Jarry, but this was said in regard to adding a depth veteran for Grand Rapids.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I’m not opposed to adding Jarry, but this was said in regard to adding a depth veteran for Grand Rapids.

No, it was about the goaltending situation in Detroit. And he said he doesn't anticipate using "prime assets" for an older goalie who isn't going to be there for a while.

 

[Jumptheshark]

To Detroit:
Tristan Jarry (4 x 5.3)

To Pittsburgh:
Ville Husso (1 x 4.75)
Jonathan Berggren
2024 1st (#15)

Wings get a clear upgrade in goal and dump a bad contract. PIT probably buys out Husso and picks up a premium pick as well as a young middle-sixer that's on the outs.

Change the 1st to a 2nd.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

I think it would be wise for DET to try to flip Husso for a guy like Jarry, Merzlikins, Korpisalo, or Kuemper, and get paid assets to do it, but 3 year term max (which actually excludes Korpisalo, so remove him from the list). Maybe they could even try to do Husso plus for Gibson or Gustavsson, and hope that they can use the upgrade to get into the playoffs.

Structure your goaltending like this:
24/25 - new Husso replacement + Lyon
25/26 - new Husso replacement + Cossa
26/27 - Cossa + new Husso replacement (if 3y term) / Augustine / 1y stopgap
27/28 - Cossa + Augustine / 1 year stop gap if Augustine needs time
28/29 - Cossa + Augustine

I did see that tweet about Yzerman not being interested, but I personally think they should look into it. They can't be expecting to ride into the playoffs this year on the back of Husso or Lyon or Cossa. The part in the Yzerman quote about "prime assets" is hopefully him choosing his words carefully and actually being interested in doing this.

 

[datsyukfan]

Change the 1st to a 2nd.

Ya and add Justin holl. That deal is more than what ullmark got and Ullmark is the much better goalie

 

[Jumptheshark]

Ya and add Justin holl. That deal is more than what ullmark got and Ullmark is the much better goalie

I agree, Detroit does not do the deal as Jarry is damaged good after his last few years and his contract is bad because of it

 

[Hobnobs]

Yzerman flat out said this wasn't the case.

He also said he's not making a big splash for a goalie. It's weird how selective some fans hearing are when they try to get rid of their terrible contract.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Yzerman flat out said this wasn't the case.

That is more because of Cossa and Augustine. I think for the right one like Gibson it makes a ton of sense. But I don’t read that as wanting more term. In year 3 they want to turn 1A status over to Cossa currently.

So to clear this up for Pens fans current plans in Detroit: Cossa spends his last year in the AHL this coming season with a few call ups. He becomes their 1B the following season and is the starter 1A three years from now. They want to push him out of Grand Rapids for Augustine so this has both front burner and back burner points.

I think getting a celebrated prospect from many years ago that is now a veteran in Gibson can help Cossa. They can likely get some retention while he helps Cossa transition to the league.

If Yzerman doesn’t, I question that call but I am not onboard with Jarry at all. He has too much term and is a mediocre NHL goalie that doesn’t fit our timeline. He also already shares what we are trying to get beyond which is a goalie that struggles in the second half and has trouble handling starter workload.

 

[Gurglesons]

That is more because of Cossa and Augustine. I think for the right one like Gibson it makes a ton of sense. But I don’t read that as wanting more term. In year 3 they want to turn 1A status over to Cossa currently.

So to clear this up for Pens fans current plans in Detroit: Cossa spends his last year in the AHL this coming season with a few call ups. He becomes their 1B the following season and is the starter 1A three years from now. They want to push him out of Grand Rapids for Augustine so this has both front burner and back burner points.

I think getting a celebrated prospect from many years ago that is now a veteran in Gibson can help Cossa. They can likely get some retention while he helps Cossa transition to the league.

If Yzerman doesn’t, I question that call but I am not onboard with Jarry at all. He has too much term and is a mediocre NHL goalie that doesn’t fit our timeline. He also already shares what we are trying to get beyond which is a goalie that struggles in the second half and has trouble handling starter workload.

No Penguins fans that are actually knowledgable about the league think a team like Detroit is targeting Jarry to improve their roster.

Maybe they potentially do a salary dump of like Husso, Holl, plus a pick for Jarry.

 

[Hobnobs]

No Penguins fans that are actually knowledgable about the league think a team like Detroit is targeting Jarry to improve their roster.

Maybe they potentially do a salary dump of like Husso, Holl, plus a pick for Jarry.

Jarry doesn't improve our roster and he's on a terrible contract. Holl can be dumped without taking on Jarry and Husso only has a year left.

 

[Gurglesons]

Jarry doesn't improve our roster and he's on a terrible contract. Holl can be dumped without taking on Jarry and Husso only has a year left.

Read the first sentence.

I'm not expecting Jarry to be traded to Detroit, just saying if he was the trade would involve multiple bad contracts coming back to PIT.

 

[Hobnobs]

Read the first sentence.

I'm not expecting Jarry to be traded to Detroit, just saying if he was the trade would involve multiple bad contracts coming back to PIT.

Ah, my bad man. Misread your post

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

Ya and add Justin holl. That deal is more than what ullmark got and Ullmark is the much better goalie

Ullmark is a rental who's already told OTT he won't sign. TJ has 4 more years. They are not in comparable situations.

 

[T_Cage]

Ullmark is a rental who's already told OTT he won't sign. TJ has 4 more years. They are not in comparable situations.

I'd value one year of good goaltending over 4 years of mediocre goaltending

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Ullmark is a rental who's already told OTT he won't sign. TJ has 4 more years. They are not in comparable situations.

Yeah, Jarry's term is a detriment to his value.

He's overpaid for what he is and you're locked in for four years at it.

Like, other teams don't want to help Pittsburgh out of their cap hell and give assets to do so. You want to deal Tristan Jarry somewhere... it's gonna be for a song because he's got 4x5.3 and he's a middling starter that pretty evenly split the net with Alex Nedeljkovic who is also a middling starter.

This would have been like me in 2015 when the Wings had Petr Mrazek being like "Hey, you want to give me a first or a prospect with a good bit of talent for Jimmy Howard. He's extraneous to us so we want him gone, but you should pay us too.

I have almost zero interest in Tristan Jarry if you were to hand his contract to me for free. You can be DAMN sure I don't have any interest if I'm paying you any kind of material asset. If the Wings are making a move in net, it's going to be for a notable upgrade. Otherwise, they'll ride the wave and bet on Husso being healthy in 2024-2025. Because if they had a healthy Husso all year and Lyon wasn't overworked to the point of becoming butt... they'd have been alright.

 

[Empoleon8771]

This would have been like me in 2015 when the Wings had Petr Mrazek being like "Hey, you want to give me a first or a prospect with a good bit of talent for Jimmy Howard. He's extraneous to us so we want him gone, but you should pay us too.

I mean, Howard was a pretty solid starting goalie. The idea the would have brought back a 1st is silly, but he wasn't moved in those years because the Wings didn't want to trade him.

If they wanted to move him, I absolutely believe the Wings could have gotten back decent value (not a 1st obviously) for Howard with 3-4 years left at $5.3 million. They just decided to not move him because they were delusional with the state of their team.

 

[Gurglesons]

I mean, Howard was a pretty solid starting goalie. The idea the would have brought back a 1st is silly, but he wasn't moved in those years because the Wings didn't want to trade him.

If they wanted to move him, I absolutely believe the Wings could have gotten back decent value (not a 1st obviously) for Howard with 3-4 years left at $5.3 million. They just decided to not move him because they were delusional with the state of their team.

I'm pretty sure Howard wasn't moved because of his trade protection.