Proposal: DET and PIT Jarry for #15 + Husso + Berggren

[Empoleon8771]

Just because one GM overpaid for a mid goalie doesn’t mean all GMs will overpay for a mid goalie.

Then you're not going to get a goalie to improve your team then. Don't know what to tell you. It doesn't even have to be Jarry, but if you're not willing to pay market price to upgrade in net, you're simply not going to upgrade in net.

New Jersey didn't even overpay for Markstrom, in fact a lot of people thought Calgary lost that deal. And I'm not even asking for that price for Jarry, I'm suggesting like Husso, Berggren and a 3rd for Jarry.

 

[dekelikekocur]

Then you're not going to get a goalie to improve your team then. Don't know what to tell you. It doesn't even have to be Jarry, but if you're not willing to pay market price to upgrade in net, you're simply not going to upgrade in net.

New Jersey didn't even overpay for Markstrom, in fact a lot of people thought Calgary lost that deal. And I'm not even asking for that price for Jarry, I'm suggesting like Husso, Berggren and a 3rd for Jarry.

If the op was even close to market rate for a goalie you'd get different responses but it's a bs proposal that is atrocious for Det.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If the op was even close to market rate for a goalie you'd get different responses but it's a bs proposal that is atrocious for Det.

Yeah I've explicitly said the OP is horrendous for Detroit.

The post you quoted said "I'd expect the kind of return to be something like Husso, Berggren and a 3rd for Jarry".

 

[GAGLine]

Is it? The difference between the players is much greater than a 2nd. Jarry's had one season below .909. Husso's had one season above .899.

I love how you framed this. I guess Jarry's .908 in 2017-18 doesn't count. Regardless, you could have also said Jarry only has 2 seasons above .909 while Husso only has 1 season above .909. We could also bring up Jarry's playoff stats, but of course, that wouldn't have fit the narrative you're trying to push.

If you're not going to be honest, why even bother? Jarry has been at .909 or lower in 3 of the last 4 seasons. He's a mediocre goalie and, given the differences in contracts, not worth significantly more than Husso, if at all.

 

[Reality Czech]

Wings laugh at us.

I'm not even a Wings fan and I'm laughing

 

[Oddbob]

This is a TERRIBAD proposal. I wouldn't trade 15th alone and then adding Berggren yet.

 

[biturbo19]

I do not reckon the difference from Husso to Jarry is nearly that big. The thing is...Tristan Jarry isn't horrible, but he's also not very good either. And he's expensive, with a huge amount of term remaining on his deal.

Husso has played well in the right situation before, and at least has much less term remaining on his cheaper contract. Detroit obviously jumped the gun on the contract for a guy who is...volatile and a bit "streaky" in his results. But he can at least still play goal at an NHL level...sometimes.


Dump the 1st round pick from the equation, and i think we're more in the ballpark. But even then...i'm not sure it makes a lot of sense from Detroit's end. Unless they really like Jarry and think he's going to be better than he is. It's just too much of a commitment to...Tristan Jarry as your "goaltender of the future". Which doesn't seem great.

 

[Oddbob]

Then you're not going to get a goalie to improve your team then. Don't know what to tell you. It doesn't even have to be Jarry, but if you're not willing to pay market price to upgrade in net, you're simply not going to upgrade in net.

New Jersey didn't even overpay for Markstrom, in fact a lot of people thought Calgary lost that deal. And I'm not even asking for that price for Jarry, I'm suggesting like Husso, Berggren and a 3rd for Jarry.

Jarry is not that much an upgrade though. .904 last season is what we got from Lyon.

 

[lilidk]

Detroit adding Copp, Holl and Fabbri for this trade

 

[PullHard]

Tristan Jarry like the goalie right? Are we talking about the same guy?

 

[innitfam]

Jarry is not worth that.

 

[PelagicJoe]

Irony is Detroit could have drafted Markstrom Detroit sucks at drafting goalies.

We suck at drafting a lot of things.
Larkin, Seider, Raymond, and a bunch of 3rd & 4th liners.
The jury is still out on Edvinsson, Danielson, Axel Sandin Pelikka, etc

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

To Detroit:
Tristan Jarry (4 x 5.3)

To Pittsburgh:
Ville Husso (1 x 4.75)
Jonathan Berggren
2024 1st (#15)

Wings get a clear upgrade in goal and dump a bad contract. PIT probably buys out Husso and picks up a premium pick as well as a young middle-sixer that's on the outs.

Holy f***, no.

Goalies don't have that type of value.

And bad goalies REALLY don't have that type of value. Jarry couldn't keep Alex Nedeljkovic out of the net... who the Wings let go for nothing.

This is a really really bad trade. Wings dump a bad contract... and get a much worse one... and pay for the privilege.

Detroit says no thank you.

No, Detroit says "Go f*** yourselves" and blocks the number from Pittsburgh.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Then you're not going to get a goalie to improve your team then. Don't know what to tell you. It doesn't even have to be Jarry, but if you're not willing to pay market price to upgrade in net, you're simply not going to upgrade in net.

New Jersey didn't even overpay for Markstrom, in fact a lot of people thought Calgary lost that deal. And I'm not even asking for that price for Jarry, I'm suggesting like Husso, Berggren and a 3rd for Jarry.

15th OA and a reasonable third line forward and a replacement goaltender is not the market price or a reasonable price for a .903 goalie.

You're saying that Tristan Jarry should get an equivalent return to Jacob Markstrom. And that's sillytown.

 

[Dr Quincy]

To Detroit:
Tristan Jarry (4 x 5.3)

To Pittsburgh:
Ville Husso (1 x 4.75)
Jonathan Berggren
2024 1st (#15)

Wings get a clear upgrade in goal and dump a bad contract. PIT probably buys out Husso and picks up a premium pick as well as a young middle-sixer that's on the outs.

Jarry doesn't have that kind of value. They could offer that same package to BOS (not that they would) or even Husso and 15 OR Berggren and get a better goalie in Ullmark.

 

[TooManyHumans]

Markstrom: .909 career save percentage 2.72 GAA
Jarry: .912 career save percentage 2.70 GAA
I am not sure why anyone should think Markstrom is better. Maybe you like that the contract is shorter but Jarry is younger.

 

[tmg]

Markstrom GSAX this past season : 13.7, 9th in league.

Jarry GSAX this past season : 2.6, 32nd in league.

 

[Empoleon8771]

15th OA and a reasonable third line forward and a replacement goaltender is not the market price or a reasonable price for a .903 goalie.

You're saying that Tristan Jarry should get an equivalent return to Jacob Markstrom. And that's sillytown.

Literally in the post you quoted:

And I'm not even asking for that price for Jarry, I'm suggesting like Husso, Berggren and a 3rd for Jarry.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Literally in the post you quoted:

Okay.

I still don't agree that's value for him.

Husso = Jarry pretty much. Jarry's sv% stats are going to be better historically because he's played more NHL time and has been on a much better hockey team. Take their individual stats regarding high danger chances, and they're damn near equivalent in similar scenarios. Both are not great. So I'll value the one with a 1x4.75 contract vs the one with a 4x5.3M contract, especially when I've got a rookie goalie about 1.5 years away and another 2.5 years away.

For Jarry it's a third. No Berggren. Pitt 3rd rd + Jarry for 5th rd + Husso. Because you're getting out of a longer term deal owing more AAV for essentially the same goaltender.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Okay.

I still don't agree that's value for him.

Husso = Jarry pretty much. Jarry's sv% stats are going to be better historically because he's played more NHL time and has been on a much better hockey team. Take their individual stats regarding high danger chances, and they're damn near equivalent in similar scenarios. Both are not great. So I'll value the one with a 1x4.75 contract vs the one with a 4x5.3M contract, especially when I've got a rookie goalie about 1.5 years away and another 2.5 years away.

For Jarry it's a third. No Berggren. Pitt 3rd rd + Jarry for 5th rd + Husso. Because you're getting out of a longer term deal owing more AAV for essentially the same goaltender.

This is based on literally nothing but your feelings. Jarry has clearly shown to be a better goalie than Husso statistically, outside of 1 terrific year for Husso on the Blues.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Terrible, just as bad as the original deal but for the Penguins this time.



The 1st is just asking for way too much here.

I think a 3rd and Berggren is pretty reasonable, treat it as a 3rd to get out of Husso's deal and Berggren for Jarry.

While pick #15 does sound high since you're a pens fan why does Jarry get so much hate? A 909 sv% is above league average and it's not like the pens are a great defensive team.
I could be wrong but that's a better sv% than both Marky and Sarros or at least in the ballpark.
I mean 920 is like Vezina level and 900 is pretty much league average nowadays. Has Jarry just fallen of a cliff and 909 is just from past seasons or is this another situation where the goalie is the scapegoat for two straight non playoff seasons?

 

[Chris 84]

Is it? The difference between the players is much greater than a 2nd. Jarry's had one season below .909. Husso's had one season above .899.

but the Pens want to move Jarry and the Wings have Cossa coming up. the difference between the players' ability is up for debate, but cap hit, future prospects and actual desire to make the trade are other factors at play.
jarry for husso + 15th is a non starter, never mind throwing in berggren. so yes, a 2nd is much more accurate.

 

[SEALBound]

Okay everyone, I think at this point we've all come to the early conclusion that the original offer is not realistic but let's move on and discuss the value of Jarry to Detroit.

From a logical base, I think the Penguins would want Berggren. A young forward prospect for a starting goalie is hardly a far fetched base value. Using that as the base, would Detroit likely want to keep Husso or include him in the deal for cap purposes? The Yzerman tweet left it a little open but makes me think that he wouldn't mind Husso+tandem goalie but he would want a longer-ish term commitment which makes me think Jarry is a fit.

If Yzerman elects to keep Husso, does Lyon become part of the package? Lyon+Berggren for Jarry seems like a decent deal for both sides. If Husso is to be included with the deal, I do think a bit more needs to come back because there's not much that's attractive about a $4.5mil goalies running 3.5+ and sub .900. So Emp's deal for Husso+Berggren+3rd is spot on.

Cap wise, Detroit doesn't have any bad contracts that I see and there's space for days so taking on Jarry at $5.35mil seems quite easy.

 

[BrokenFace]

Jarry is the least valuable of the 4 assets listed in OP's proposal. I'd rather hold onto Husso for a year and move on if he stinks than count on Jarry for 4 seasons.

 

[Hobnobs]

Terrible, just as bad as the original deal but for the Penguins this time.



The 1st is just asking for way too much here.

I think a 3rd and Berggren is pretty reasonable, treat it as a 3rd to get out of Husso's deal and Berggren for Jarry.

What gets us out of Jarrys deal? I dont want that terrible contract. Sorry.