Proposal: DET and PIT Jarry for #15 + Husso + Berggren

[Epic Neal Time]

To Detroit:
Tristan Jarry (4 x 5.3)

To Pittsburgh:
Ville Husso (1 x 4.75)
Jonathan Berggren
2024 1st (#15)

Wings get a clear upgrade in goal and dump a bad contract. PIT probably buys out Husso and picks up a premium pick as well as a young middle-sixer that's on the outs.

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[Empoleon8771]

That is WAY too much from Detroit. Change the 1st to a 3rd and it's a lot closer.

I was initially going to say that Jarry for Husso and a 2nd is what it would be more like, but I actually think it would be a bit more than that. But Berggren and a 3rd to both get out of Husso's deal and get Jarry seems pretty reasonable in value, at least based on the Markstrom deal.

 

[66-30-33]

Wings laugh at us.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

 

[Gurglesons]

Jarry + 2nd for Husso lol

 

[Epic Neal Time]

That is WAY too much from Detroit.

Make it Jarry for Husso and a 2nd and it's a lot closer.

Is it? The difference between the players is much greater than a 2nd. Jarry's had one season below .909. Husso's had one season above .899.

 

[SEALBound]

AND the Wings have to sharpen all Penguins player skates for a year!

Too much obviously but something around Berggren would be nice and I would gladly take Husso back.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Jarry + 2nd for Husso lol

Terrible, just as bad as the original deal but for the Penguins this time.

Is it? The difference between the players is much greater than a 2nd. Jarry's had one season below .909. Husso's had one season above .899.

The 1st is just asking for way too much here.

I think a 3rd and Berggren is pretty reasonable, treat it as a 3rd to get out of Husso's deal and Berggren for Jarry.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

I wouldn't do Husso straight up for Jarry. Just don't wanna mess with that contract.

 

[Gurglesons]

Terrible, just as bad as the original deal but for the Penguins this time.

See JediOrderPizza's response.

 

[Empoleon8771]

See JediOrderPizza's response.

Oh wow, 1 Detroit fan. That makes it a fact then.

Jarry's worst season in the NHL was a .903 save%, -0.7 GSAA and a +2.5 GSAx. The idea that the Penguins would have to add to get out of his deal for a shitty overpaid goalie, especially after Markstrom just pulled off a 1st, is just idiotic.

I think Jarry has major issues and I'm not overly a fan of his, but he makes $5 million a year and has this stat line as a starter:

Compare this to Markstrom, who's stat line over that same period looks like this:

The idea that Markstrom brings back a 1st in a trade, but Jarry somehow costs a 2nd to dump for a shitty contract, is just moronic.

 

[Gurglesons]

Oh wow, 1 Detroit fan. That makes it a fact then.

Jarry's worst season in the NHL was a .903 save%, -0.7 GSAA and a +2.5 GSAx. The idea that the Penguins would have to add to get out of his deal for a shitty overpaid goalie, especially after Markstrom just pulled off a 1st, is just idiotic.

I think Jarry has major issues and I'm not overly a fan of his, but he makes $5 million a year and has this stat line as a starter:

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Compare this to Markstrom, who's stat line over that same period looks like this:

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The idea that Markstrom brings back a 1st in a trade, but Jarry somehow costs a 2nd to dump for a shitty contract, is just moronic.

Context matters.

Jarry's stats mean nothing. He's a loser.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Context matters.

Jarry's stats mean nothing. He's a loser.

Yes, Jacob Markstrom with his 13 career playoff wins in 14 seasons is such a winner.

How about we look at Markstrom's most recent playoff series as well:

Holy cow, what a winner!

 

[The Red Line]

The Wings are better off just riding out the last year of the Husso contract, see if he can bounce back from his injuries in a backup roll to Lyon, but there's definitely no point in bringing in another overpaid goalie who has had some struggles, and giving up a 1st and a good prospect for him is just insane.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yes, Jacob Markstrom with his 13 career playoff wins in 14 seasons is such a winner.

How about we look at Markstrom's most recent playoff series as well:

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Holy cow, what a winner!

Markstrom returned a fringe NHL defenseman and what Jersey probably views a low end first with 30% retention.

 

[Puck Tiss]

Irony is Detroit could have drafted Markstrom Detroit sucks at drafting goalies.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The Wings are better off just riding out the last year of the Husso contract, see if he can bounce back from his injuries in a backup roll to Lyon, but there's definitely no point in bringing in another overpaid goalie who has had some struggles, and giving up a 1st and a good prospect for him is just insane.

I'm not going to try to convince you to take the OP, because it's a horrendous proposal, but I don't understand what kind of "struggles" Jarry has that most other goalies have. The only really unique one with Jarry is that he has a track record of breaking down later in seasons, but I'd argue that's just as much due to being overused early in the year as much as it is an issue with him.

Jarry's worst season was a -0.7 GSAA and +2.5 GSAx. Every other year, he has had clearly above average stats on a team that's pretty well known to not be very good defensively. I don't think Jarry is as good as his numbers suggest, especially with how different the two versions of Jarry you get (early season is Vezina caliber, late season is low end starter caliber), but I think his issues are super overblown on here.

It really just seems like emotional Penguins fans who flat out admit to not liking Jarry swaying the opinions on Jarry on this site. I'm not doing this to shit sling, but there are literal posts on the Penguins HF page that are this that get a ton of likes:

"I just don't like TJ. I don't like his attitude. I don't like him staring daggers at his teammates when they tip pucks in on him when he's mediocre and has never won shit here. Not even a playoff series. Dude acts like his own shit doesn't stink."

Markstrom returned a fringe NHL defenseman and what Jersey probably views a low end first with 30% retention.

And you're saying it will cost the Penguins a 2nd to trade Jarry for a shitty goalie that's overpaid by about $3 million a year.

Quite a massive difference between "a fringe NHL defenseman and a low 1st" and "paying a 2nd to take back a shitty goalie on an overpriced deal".

 

[iago]

To Detroit:
Tristan Jarry (4 x 5.3)

To Pittsburgh:
Ville Husso (1 x 4.75)
Jonathan Berggren
2024 1st (#15)

Wings get a clear upgrade in goal and dump a bad contract. PIT probably buys out Husso and picks up a premium pick as well as a young middle-sixer that's on the outs.

Detroit says no thank you.

 

[LarKing]

The last thing Detroit needs right now is to tie themselves down to more goalie contracts. We have Cossa likely up the year after this upcoming season and Augustine the year after that. We need stop gap goalies like Lyon until then

 

[Gurglesons]

I'm not going to try to convince you to take the OP, because it's a horrendous proposal, but I don't understand what kind of "struggles" Jarry has that most other goalies have. The only really unique one with Jarry is that he has a track record of breaking down later in seasons, but I'd argue that's just as much due to being overused early in the year as much as it is an issue with him.

Jarry's worst season was a -0.7 GSAA and +2.5 GSAx. Every other year, he has had clearly above average stats on a team that's pretty well known to not be very good defensively. I don't think Jarry is as good as his numbers suggest, especially with how different the two versions of Jarry you get (early season is Vezina caliber, late season is low end starter caliber), but I think his issues are super overblown on here.

It really just seems like emotional Penguins fans who flat out admit to not liking Jarry swaying the opinions on Jarry on this site. I'm not doing this to shit sling, but there are literal posts on the Penguins HF page that are this that get a ton of likes:

"I just don't like TJ. I don't like his attitude. I don't like him staring daggers at his teammates when they tip pucks in on him when he's mediocre and has never won shit here. Not even a playoff series. Dude acts like his own shit doesn't stink."



And you're saying it will cost the Penguins a 2nd to trade Jarry for a shitty goalie that's overpaid by about $3 million a year.

Quite a massive difference between "a fringe NHL defenseman and a low 1st" and "paying a 2nd to take back a shitty goalie on an overpriced deal".

Jarry sucks.

 

[Djp]

To Detroit:
Tristan Jarry (4 x 5.3)

To Pittsburgh:
Ville Husso (1 x 4.75)
Jonathan Berggren
2024 1st (#15)

Wings get a clear upgrade in goal and dump a bad contract. PIT probably buys out Husso and picks up a premium pick as well as a young middle-sixer that's on the outs.

Jarry doesnt have that value

 

[Empoleon8771]

While the OP is obviously ridiculous, I think this statement from Yzerman definitely leads me to believe that Jarry or a Jarry type of goalie is definitely on Detroit's radar.

I'm curious to hear from Wings fans, what's the deal with Berggren? He looks like he was a damn solid middle-6 guy in 2022-2023, but he spent almost all of last year in the AHL despite having good NHL production. Was it a coach bias deal or something? Or does he have huge warts that aren't shown in his scoring rates?

The Penguins have horrible depth scoring, so a guy like Berggren would be really appealing in a Jarry trade I think.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

To Detroit:
Tristan Jarry (4 x 5.3)

To Pittsburgh:
Ville Husso (1 x 4.75)
Jonathan Berggren
2024 1st (#15)

Wings get a clear upgrade in goal and dump a bad contract. PIT probably buys out Husso and picks up a premium pick as well as a young middle-sixer that's on the outs.

 

[CanadienShark]

Holy crap that's awful for Detroit.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Oh wow, 1 Detroit fan. That makes it a fact then.

Jarry's worst season in the NHL was a .903 save%, -0.7 GSAA and a +2.5 GSAx. The idea that the Penguins would have to add to get out of his deal for a shitty overpaid goalie, especially after Markstrom just pulled off a 1st, is just idiotic.

I think Jarry has major issues and I'm not overly a fan of his, but he makes $5 million a year and has this stat line as a starter:

View attachment 884998

Compare this to Markstrom, who's stat line over that same period looks like this:

View attachment 885002

The idea that Markstrom brings back a 1st in a trade, but Jarry somehow costs a 2nd to dump for a shitty contract, is just moronic.

Just because one GM overpaid for a mid goalie doesn’t mean all GMs will overpay for a mid goalie.