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Despite major challanges, Kyle Dubas has passed the tests

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DarkKnight said:
I’m asking this seriously, because it’s just an observation, not trying to be negative here just for its own sake. Does Dubas seem to have lost a bit of his fire or conviction this off season when speaking? He’s so assured and a great orator, very good at descriptors and extrapolating ideas, but he’s leaving me flat as a pancake of late and there’s an air of nervousness or the same confidence isn’t there. He seems slightly shaken or unsure, which I’ve never ever felt watching him. No biggie on that score, but I did notice it.
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maybe it's Low T?
 
Gabriel426 said:
For starter, Cirelli and Trochek were signed for around 6mil.
Then there is a trade route that you can use to acquire a 2C with Willie.

I think the core is staying at least for another year. Then you look at the current team and prospects coming up, Keefe needs to start planning his lineup. Should he still play AM and MM together instead of splitting them up in order to have more balance scoring in the top three lines? Should Willie be try as a C in the pre season and the first 10 games of the season? Do all the players understand that playoffs matters more than regular season and the regular season is really a 82 games pre season to prepare for the playoffs, thus personal stats don’t matter? Where to plug in Anderson, Robertson, Holmberg and others?

If Keefe comes back with essentially the same lineup next season like Bunting-AM-MM, Kerfoot-JT-Willie, Engvall-Kampf-Malgin, the 4th line, and expect them to make a difference comes playoffs, chances are unless Murray plays like he did when he won Cups or Samsonov become Vas 2.0, it will be hard for the Leafs to move past the first round.
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Cirelli I would have traded WN for.....Trocheck I wouldn't have.

I'm saying.....if the idea is to trade WN for a center who would then get resigned for 6x6....I'm curious what kind of player would take that contract based on what guys are signing for (RFA and UFA) this offseason.

My only point is I don't think 6M goes nearly as far as it used to.
 
RoyalCitySlicker said:
Cirelli I would have traded WN for.....Trocheck I wouldn't have.

I'm saying.....if the idea is to trade WN for a center who would then get resigned for 6x6....I'm curious what kind of player would take that contract based on what guys are signing for (RFA and UFA) this offseason.

My only point is I don't think 6M goes nearly as far as it used to.
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If the Leafs is trading for a 2C, then JT is out the door.
 
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RoyalCitySlicker said:
I was just going off what the other poster was suggesting.

Could always move JT to wing at times. As I said, I was just suggesting that 6x6 doesn't get you what it used to - blame the 9% inflation!
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You might need to look for a package. A young center (like Montreal got Dach) and another top end prospect. Someone you feel will solidify that 2C behind Matthews in 2 years. He may start out 3C right now and when Tavares is up, the guy is signed and moves into the spot. Lots of options if you are proactive.
 
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Trapper said:
You might need to look for a package. A young center (like Montreal got Dach) and another top end prospect. Someone you feel will solidify that 2C behind Matthews in 2 years. He may start out 3C right now and when Tavares is up, the guy is signed and moves into the spot. Lots of options if you are proactive.
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I'd be down for that depending on the return - I'm not that big on Dach but I realize it was just an example. I feel like something's gotta give.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
All I did was list the odds, why does that upset you so much? As far as "precise percentage" goes, I also stated that it's not an exact science, did you miss that part?

I just said that I agree with their listed top contenders - COL on top with TOR, CAR, FLA and TB being in the next tier. Not sure why this upsets some of you and it's pretty telling that y'all just whine about it but when challenged to say who you think the top contenders are if the bookies got it wrong, you have no answer. Sounds like you know perfectly well that those are the best teams, you just can't bring yourself to admit it for some strange reason.

If you want to question the legitimacy of vegas odd makers you are more than welcome to start a thread specifically for that topic, or you can discuss it here if you like. Seems pretty strange to question this though, you do realize that sportsbooks are basically a licence to print money. In very broad terms, you could say their profit margin is about 5% so that's their margin of error. Nobody can say precisely what the odds are but I think it's reasonable that the lines they post are almost always within that 5% margin of error.


LOL, you're funny. People criticize the team every day, hell I'm one of them. It's not all bad though and the fact remains that we have one of the best teams in the league and despite our miserable playoff history, we are still one of the top contenders. Why does this bother you so much?


Keeping the core intact and tweaking the rest of the roster is what most teams do and when they finally break through and win the cup, doing the same thing year after year and getting a different result is exactly what happens.

Not saying they shouldn't consider making a major change, just that keeping the core intact is not guaranteed to fail either.
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Not you again? Give it up bro i DO NOT CARE about your fixation and complex with betting lines.
 
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Dumpster Dive Dubie said:
Not you again? Give it up bro i DO NOT CARE about your fixation and complex with betting lines.
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If we're discussing how good our team is or isn't, betting lines are more relevant than at least 90% of the nonsense people post on a daily basis. If this bothers you then feel free to put me ignore, bro.
 
Gary Nylund said:
If we're discussing how good our team is or isn't, betting lines are more relevant than at least 90% of the nonsense people post on a daily basis. If this bothers you then feel free to put me ignore, bro.
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Throw some more fake stats and betting percentages at me, its really helping me understand why this team will never win a cup under this regime.
 
Gary Nylund said:
All I did was list the odds, why does that upset you so much? As far as "precise percentage" goes, I also stated that it's not an exact science, did you miss that part?

I just said that I agree with their listed top contenders - COL on top with TOR, CAR, FLA and TB being in the next tier. Not sure why this upsets some of you and it's pretty telling that y'all just whine about it but when challenged to say who you think the top contenders are if the bookies got it wrong, you have no answer. Sounds like you know perfectly well that those are the best teams, you just can't bring yourself to admit it for some strange reason.

If you want to question the legitimacy of vegas odd makers you are more than welcome to start a thread specifically for that topic, or you can discuss it here if you like. Seems pretty strange to question this though, you do realize that sportsbooks are basically a licence to print money. In very broad terms, you could say their profit margin is about 5% so that's their margin of error. Nobody can say precisely what the odds are but I think it's reasonable that the lines they post are almost always within that 5% margin of error.


LOL, you're funny. People criticize the team every day, hell I'm one of them. It's not all bad though and the fact remains that we have one of the best teams in the league and despite our miserable playoff history, we are still one of the top contenders. Why does this bother you so much?


Keeping the core intact and tweaking the rest of the roster is what most teams do and when they finally break through and win the cup, doing the same thing year after year and getting a different result is exactly what happens.

Not saying they shouldn't consider making a major change, just that keeping the core intact is not guaranteed to fail either.
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eh, leafs are like the pre-cap senators in the late 90s early 00s. great regular seasons.
 
DarkKnight said:
I’m asking this seriously, because it’s just an observation, not trying to be negative here just for its own sake. Does Dubas seem to have lost a bit of his fire or conviction this off season when speaking? He’s so assured and a great orator, very good at descriptors and extrapolating ideas, but he’s leaving me flat as a pancake of late and there’s an air of nervousness or the same confidence isn’t there. He seems slightly shaken or unsure, which I’ve never ever felt watching him. No biggie on that score, but I did notice it.
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This year is his potential Waterloo; Stalingrad; D-Day. I'd be nervous, too.
saffronleaf said:
since islanders missed out on gaudreau maybe they'll be interested in jt?
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That's some twisted thinking. I like it!
 
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Dumpster Dive Dubie said:
Throw some more fake stats and betting percentages at me, its really helping me understand why this team will never win a cup under this regime.
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You seem angry but there's no reason to be angry. Take a few deep breaths now before answering - what have I "thrown at you" that you think is fake?

I posted some cup odds, if you really believe those are fake I'd be happy to provide you with links to more than one betting site that show roughly the same numbers. As far as fake stats, I'm sorry friend but I have no idea what you're referring to.

saffronleaf said:
eh, leafs are like the pre-cap senators in the late 90s early 00s. great regular seasons.
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Some similarities there to be sure. Only I think we're much better than those teams were which makes our lack of playoff success just that much more frustrating.
 
Gary Nylund said:
You seem angry but there's no reason to be angry. Take a few deep breaths now before answering - what have I "thrown at you" that you think is fake?

I posted some cup odds, if you really believe those are fake I'd be happy to provide you with links to more than one betting site that show roughly the same numbers. As far as fake stats, I'm sorry friend but I have no idea what you're referring to.


Some similarities there to be sure. Only I think we're much better than those teams were which makes our lack of playoff success just that much more frustrating.
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call me crazy but i don't think you're going to get a rational answer from a poster named dumpster dive dubie
 
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Can you change user names? If not that’s impressive that an account from 2018 is chirping Dubas for dumper diving
 
Apex Predator said:
Didn’t JFJ tell the board they need to rebuild after the lockout but they told him no and to find a way to stay competitive?
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Yes. And this is why I have been saying that Dubas is bordering on JFJ level bad here.

You could make the argument that as bad as JFJ was, the utter failure during his tenure here wasn’t all on him. And there were rumours going around at the time that the infamous Rask for Raycroft deal was suggested byupper management. Not him.
 
Gary Nylund said:
You seem angry but there's no reason to be angry. Take a few deep breaths now before answering - what have I "thrown at you" that you think is fake?

I posted some cup odds, if you really believe those are fake I'd be happy to provide you with links to more than one betting site that show roughly the same numbers. As far as fake stats, I'm sorry friend but I have no idea what you're referring to.


Some similarities there to be sure. Only I think we're much better than those teams were which makes our lack of playoff success just that much more frustrating.
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Fake take example: "betting lines are more relevant than at least 90% of the nonsense people post on a daily basis"

There you go, just conjuring up percentages out of thin air that are totally meaningless and irrelevant to this actual thread. Bye now.
 
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Pretty much
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Yes, he was "gifted an insanely gifted core". Then he added an unnecesary piece at an exorbitant price, handicapping his ability to build around the core. The core have racked up some very impressive individual stats, but lack the suporting staff to achieve team success.

I'm not sure why that gets a pass.
 
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Dumpster Dive Dubie said:
Fake take example: "betting lines are more relevant than at least 90% of the nonsense people post on a daily basis"

There you go, just conjuring up percentages out of thin air that are totally meaningless and irrelevant to this actual thread. Bye now.
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Bye bye. Looking at your avatar makes me think I should warn you - don't let that dumpster lid hit you in the ass on the way down. :)
 
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