Speculation: Derek Stepan Negotiations (9/19-Dreger: "Unlikely" Stepan signs before season opens)

[Green Blob*]

Just sign him! LETS GO SLATS, .25 a million a year more is nothing, SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE!!

 

[Hunter Gathers]

The comparables are not relevant in this instance. The market has shrunk. There are not very many unsigned, near ppg kids available any more. If you are a team that cannot attract a free agent or keep a traded-for player, an offer sheet might save the GM his job. It's not unreasonable.

Calgary didn't hire Burke for no reason. Burke is a publicity machine, able to face tough topics and remain on point. He can easily handle the fallout from an offer sheet.

Vancouver has nothing to lose as far as popularity goes. They have no third line center, as yet. I think the Canuck coach might be familiar with this young player, too.

By the way, good luck in the new season. I'm a big fan of Vigneault. He was never the problem in Vancouver.

The comparables are always relevant. Stepan is not a special snowflake.

 

[Oak]

2 seasons ago he was scared to shoot the puck and only looked to pass. Has a good half season and now he is being a ***** over ~$250k. Ego is a funny thing.

I see wanting to get paid what you're worth but this is ****ing stupid.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

2 seasons ago he was scared to shoot the puck and only looked to pass. Has a good half season and now he is being a ***** over ~$250k. Ego is a funny thing.

I see wanting to get paid what you're worth but this is ****ing stupid.

This zig zag sentence is a good example of how wild things get when emotion gets in the way of something like this.

 

[tail7711*]

Jonathan, I will bet Stepan does not care that you think he is being "that guy". My guess is that he is not signing for less than Kadri just did. 3.25 gets it done!!

 

[vladmyir111]

I honestly don't see the point. If he is an actual superstar he will have years of exceptional earnings potential after these 2. As an RFA he has no leverage aside from holding out and causing bad blood over a few hundred K. It's probably more his agent and the people around him at this point, but it looks like **** on his part. Who cares how decent he is, he's not a generational talent he needs to work his way to a payday like 99% of the league.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

He's not injured and unable to train nor is he going to be out like PK was (not for that duration I think) . I don't see why we're overrating the value of camp here. It's valuable of course I'd be crazy to say it isn't but if he's at the level we like to say he's at then he'll be fine without it.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

He's not injured and unable to train nor is he going to be out like PK was. I don't see why we're overrating the value of camp here. It's valuable of course I'd be crazy to say it isn't but if he's at the level we like to say he's at then he'll be fine without it.

Are you serious? Even with a new coach? Camp is always important. This one is even more important.

 

[NYR2007]

He's not injured and unable to train nor is he going to be out like PK was. I don't see why we're overrating the value of camp here. It's valuable of course I'd be crazy to say it isn't but if he's at the level we like to say he's at then he'll be fine without it.

He needs to get into camp

 

[JohnC]

Jonathan, I will bet Stepan does not care that you think he is being "that guy". My guess is that he is not signing for less than Kadri just did. 3.25 gets it done!!

You act like you'd expect Stepan to care about anything any of us think

 

[NewLife]

If Stepan continues to hold out the rest of the month then he is gonna have a hard time getting off to a good start. I mean last year we only had like 2 weeks of training camp but thats better than nothing. He better get it done this week and get into camp

Subban won the Norris trophy after holding a for a couple of games just last year.

No seriously with a new coach who probably will change quite a lot for this team there inst any excuses from both parties for him not being in camp.

 

[Boruto]

I will lawl so hard if he signs for less than $3.05M after all this stalling out of the most important camp of his entire life.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

He needs to get into camp

Not if he's as good as we think he is. I think the fans WANT him to be there and that's it. My hope is he's on a level where he will be fine without camp

 

[JohnC]

Not if he's as good as we think he is. I think the fans WANT him to be there and that's it. My hope is he's on a level where he will be fine without camp

No it's pretty friggin important for him to be in camp

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

No it's pretty friggin important for him to be in camp

Yea just like it was important for PK Subban? It MIGHT be because obviously it's a new coach and he's a different player and he isn't Crosby but if he's as good as we think he will be fine without camp and does not need it. Dunno why people can't admit that he COULD be fine without camp just as many other players in this and other sports have been...
I wouldn't argue if you felt like
A) he's still too young
B)the team is missing a lot of guys and you think they will struggle if he doesn't start working with them
C)he won't be able to pick up AV's stuff quickly enough
D)he won'[t be in good enough shape, etc. If you feel any of those things then SAY that. God forbid people discuss hockey opinions around here. I'm not trying to snap at you but damn the people around here are ridiculously adverse to discussing opinions

 

[pld459666]

You mean get paid a fair bit more than the comparables? Because he's being that guy.

Putting myself in Stepan's shoes for ONE second. A New York second?

I have no issues whatsoever being THAT GUY

I have no contract, I OWE the Rangers NOTHING.

I've worked the last three years getting better each year while producing and performing at a level that my current salary did not match.

My career could be over during my very next shift. I want security with THIS deal to the extent that I can get as much security under the terms of the current CBA.

Now I get that my options are limited, but that doesn't mean I capitulate. The options are limited, they have not vanished.

 

[JohnC]

9+9+9+9+9+9+9+9+9+
Yea just like it was important for PK Subban? It MIGHT be because obviously it's a new coach and he's a different player and he isn't Crosby but if he's as good as we think he will be fine without camp and does not need it. Dunno why people can't admit that he COULD be fine without camp just as many other players in this and other sports have been...
I wouldn't argue if you felt like
A) he's still too young
B)the team is missing a lot of guys and you think they will struggle if he doesn't start working with them
C)he won't be able to pick up AV's stuff quickly enough
D)he won'[t be in good enough shape, etc. If you feel any of those things then SAY that. God forbid people discuss hockey opinions around here

Sure he could be fine missing camp, I could also win a million dollars tomorrow. The rest of us like realism.

You're too sensitive about how people go about disagreeing with opinions here and don't need to bring it up every time you post. This is the Internet, take a deep breath and relax

 

[Boruto]

watching the video of Sunday's 11AM programming, the scrimmage, I realized that Hedberg is just a chess piece from Glen. Glen and MGMT has no reason to bring in a guy that will give Stepan camp reasons to believe that they are going to be able to hold out some more and force MGMT to give them money. Management resigned Marty Biron for a reason. While he's being paid $1.3M, he's a better locker room presence than other guys, he has a relationship with Henrik already, he's a solid backup who hasn't had one bad season for the Rangers. Perhaps he's costing $250,000 too much but I doubt management will risk giving away a proven backup within our organization for a wash up in Hedberg or Talbot who's clearly not there yet. I think it's pressuring Step to deal with it since Slats has been playing the "cap reality" card. If Step insists, Glen is insinuating management will axe Biron and make the goaltending weaker and remove a guy from the locker room that everyone loves.

 

[wolfgaze]

Sign Stepan and trade Pyatt for a 4th/5th rounder.

 

[BBKers]

Sign Stepan and trade Pyatt for a 4th/5th rounder.

Precisely

 

[Boruto]

Too many B6 guys to keep anyway. Someone has to go if we're going to allow surprises to stay.

 

[n8]

are they really only $250k apart? ha, seems so weird to say that but in hockey terms it doesn't seem like a lot.

After 3 year ELCs
Subban got $2.85M per 2 years following a 36 pts in 81 games season
Kadri got $2.9M per 2 years following a 44 pts in 48 games season
Giroux got $3.75M per 3 years following a 47 pts in 82 games season but I think he was at a point per game pace in the 2010-11 season when he signed his extension.
Matt Duchene got $3.5M per 2 years following two excellent seasons and then one not so good one.
Ryan O'Reily's contract extension seems freakishly abnormal

Stepan following a 44 pts in 48 games season? I expect him to get at least $3M but definitely not more than $3.3M

 

[Boruto]

are they really only $250k apart? ha, seems so weird to say that but in hockey terms it doesn't seem like a lot.

After 3 year ELCs
Subban got $2.85M per 2 years following a 36 pts in 81 games season
Kadri got $2.9M per 2 years following a 44 pts in 48 games season
Giroux got $3.75M per 3 years following a 47 pts in 82 games season but I think he was at a point per game pace in the 2010-11 season when he signed his extension.
Matt Duchene got $3.5M per 2 years following two excellent seasons and then one not so good one.
Ryan O'Reily's contract extension seems freakishly abnormal

Stepan following a 44 pts in 48 games season? I expect him to get at least $3M but definitely not more than $3.3M

They're $500,000+ apart per year which is then $1,000,000+ in the bridge deal. The reality is that no one is going to get their asking price so we're calling it a $250,000 gap because the most either side can really get in the end is around that.

 

[Blue Blooded]

are they really only $250k apart? ha, seems so weird to say that but in hockey terms it doesn't seem like a lot.

After 3 year ELCs
Subban got $2.85M per 2 years following a 36 pts in 81 games season
Kadri got $2.9M per 2 years following a 44 pts in 48 games season
Giroux got $3.75M per 3 years following a 47 pts in 82 games season but I think he was at a point per game pace in the 2010-11 season when he signed his extension.
Matt Duchene got $3.5M per 2 years following two excellent seasons and then one not so good one.
Ryan O'Reily's contract extension seems freakishly abnormal

Stepan following a 44 pts in 48 games season? I expect him to get at least $3M but definitely not more than $3.3M

Logan Couture got 2 years $2.875M/year (under a $74M cap no less) after a 82gp-31g-34a-65p season that was preceeded by a 79gp-32g-24a-56p season.

Kadri's deal was out of line with the comparables, neither Kadri nor Stepan should have gotten more than Couture.

Duchene got a lot, but he was the 3rd overall pick on a rebuilding team. Those contracts will cost more.

Stepan is a good young player on a contender, just like Couture. I don't see how $3M+ is fair.

Stepan needs to come down.

 

[RangerBoy]

Stepan needs to come down and the Rangers need to come up.

Day #6.