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Speculation: Derek Stepan Negotiations (9/19-Dreger: "Unlikely" Stepan signs before season opens)

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free0717 said:
Sather is really trying to screw Step. Matt Duschene scored 150 points in his first three full seasons. If you figure last season would have been 82 games, Step would have had another 30 points +-. Step has been durable(never missed a game) That would have given Step 170 points in his first 3 seasons. A two year 7M bridge contract is very fair. If that's what it takes, Sather give him his contract. Asham and Power are definite goners. Go with 22 players instead of 23. Waive Pyatt. Or sacrifice Biron and use Talbot as the Back up. These are the type of decisions it takes to get a player like Stepan into the line up
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Agree. Much rather have Stepan in the opening night lineup than Pyatt and quite a number of others for that matter. Pyatt is pretty expendable as a player and as a contract. Rangers have more than enough depth to take his place. Personally even without Stepan I'd probably wouldn't be dressing him.

The Olympics don't mean much to me--it's Stanley Cups I'm after.
 
eco's bones said:
Agree. Much rather have Stepan in the opening night lineup than Pyatt and quite a number of others for that matter. Pyatt is pretty expendable as a player and as a contract. Rangers have more than enough depth to take his place. Personally even without Stepan I'd probably wouldn't be dressing him.

The Olympics don't mean much to me--it's Stanley Cups I'm after.
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Be patient. We are still waiting for additional cuts. Our roster is still several men over on both forward and defense
 
pld459666 said:
And I would rather slightly over pay those kids than the Pyatt's/Powe's/Asham's or the world.

If you are going to make mistakes, and again, you ARE GOING TO MAKE THEM, then they should be on the home grown core and not some fricken merc.
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This logic doesn't really make sense. There isn't a preset amount of mistakes that need to be made every year. Sather doesn't sit around and decide where to make his appointed number of mistakes.

UFA, by its nature, ends up paying players for past performance, even if they do end up living up to it in the future. The Rangers, being an original 6 team that can spend to the cap in one of the most desirable cities in the world, are at a tremendous advantage in the UFA pool. They tend to have the space for big players and big players tend to want to play in a big market in a nice city. The team takes advantage of this often, probably too often, but the "mistakes" get made here because of the process of unrestricted free agency. Unless you know a player wants to be on your team, you need to offer more than anybody else. You need to make an offer that is slightly crazy to get those guys, if you think they're key to your team going forward. If you end up being right, it's a success. If you end up being wrong, it's a mistake. You need to take that risk if you want to get UFAs.

RFAs dont require the same process at all, especially when they have no arbitration rights. You don't have to make a risky offer ever. Why would you do it if you don't have to?
 
And so here we are, closer to the Oct. 3 start of the season in Phoenix than the Sept. 11 start of training camp without an end in sight to the impasse between Stepan and the Rangers, who have offered their presumptive first-line center just under $6M for two seasons and are believed willing to go to approximately $6.4M in order to get the deal done.
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It is likely Stepan will have to compromise a bit more in order to get this done. But the Rangers are going to have to be willing to compromise, too, and come closer to the asking price of $3.5M per than they have been willing.

If they don’t, Stepan will have a serious problem. But then, so will the Rangers. It’s lose-lose. The team needs him every bit as much as he needs the team.

Leverage is one thing. Losing games in a stubborn attempt to exercise it is something else altogether. The gap isn’t that significant. It’s time to get this done.
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http://nypost.com/2013/09/21/time-for-rangers-to-cut-deal-with-stepan/

$2.9M in first year. $3.5M in second year. $6.4M. $3.2M.

The Rangers don't have the space to give Stepan $5.7M which is Jeff Skinner $ in a $64.3M cap.

The Rangers willing to go to $3.2M should get a deal done if Stepan is willing to compromise from $3.5M.
 
Step is just torpedoing his own season. His agent is denying reality.
It doesn't matter what other guys with Step's experience and stats, or less, are getting paid.
When you're on a team that can contend, that has Hank in goal, and a D anchored by Girardi and 4 1st-round picks, you don't get greedy - you get on the ice.
Dustin Brown went into the Kings offices without an agent, and left money on the table, so there would be money left for a deep, contending team.
If he were a mediocre player coming off a lucky great year that he'll never match again, it makes sense to fight for every penny, before its obviously you performed beyond your norm.

There is no downside to taking the Kadri money - which is a raise of $2M/per year for 2 years, at age 23. That sets him up for the $4M-$6M per year long-term deal IN LESS THAN 2 YEARS.

The Rangers believe in bridge deals. Everyone, except for Staal/McDonagh (both #12 overall picks, who were top-4 D by age 21!) got bridge deals - Cally, Dubi, Girardi, Anisimov, etc.

He should be in Camp.
The Cap is randomly low this year.
There is a new coach and system.
Cally and Hags will be rehabbing the first few weeks.

Swallow your foolish pride and come to camp already, Step
 
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Thats what I've been saying.. offer 3.2 and get the damn thing done already. 300K difference, I think Stepan would take that.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
Thats what I've been saying.. offer 3.2 and get the damn thing done already. 300K difference, I think Stepan would take that.
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Offer 3.2, step will come back with 3.35.

Sensibility is out the door. Both sides aren't interested in friendly negotiation. Whoever breaks first is goin to give up $100,000 - $150,000 a year.
 
2nd hand said:
he will surely be gone at the first oppurtunity
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Stepan? hahha

Good chuckle from that one, thanks. He's not going anywhere.

They need to get the wheels in motion on this one and split the difference. Enough is enough.

...And hes probably had a few opportunities by now.
 
broadwayblue said:
or he'll get a long term contract and be a Ranger for quite a while. i'd guess the latter.
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HockeyBasedNYC said:
Stepan? hahha

Good chuckle from that one, thanks. He's not going anywhere.

They need to get the wheels in motion on this one and split the difference. Enough is enough.

...And hes probably had a few opportunities by now.
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I'm sure people felt the same way with dubi . Wasn't he our leading scoring centermen one season :sarcasm:
 
Ugh, this Dreger report concerns me. So if he misses the first couple games of the season (or more), then how many more games is it going to take for him to get into game shape? We may not get a fully-in-shape Stepan until 8-10 games into the season.
 
We should start making a game out of this situation before we all die from repetition.

Can we add a poll on when it'll happen? :laugh:

Before Wednesday (first two of four ps games played)
After Wednesday up until the day of last ps game
The end of preseason up until the start of the rangers season
Miss 1 game
Miss 2-3 games
Miss 4-5 games
Miss more than 6 or more
 
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I know this won't happen, but can someone more familiar with the cba let me know if it *could* happen:

FAs can sign extensions with one year left on their deals, yes? So could Step sign for one year, then immediately sign a McD like extension before opening night? I imagine there is some provision that says in order to sign an extension your previous k must have been 2+ years.
 
Nash Money said:
I know this won't happen, but can someone more familiar with the cba let me know if it *could* happen:

FAs can sign extensions with one year left on their deals, yes? So could Step sign for one year, then immediately sign a McD like extension before opening night? I imagine there is some provision that says in order to sign an extension your previous k must have been 2+ years.
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There is no such thing as an extension. What the media keeps referring to an extension is simply a brand new contract that doesn't kick in until later.
 
SeaRaccoon said:
Offer 3.2, step will come back with 3.35.

Sensibility is out the door. Both sides aren't interested in friendly negotiation. Whoever breaks first is goin to give up $100,000 - $150,000 a year.
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And if he sits out for 10 days, he will break even, because starting october 3rd, he loses about $15,000 a day.
 
16 To Stanley said:
And if he sits out for 10 days, he will break even, because starting october 3rd, he loses about $15,000 a day.
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What are we going to do to celebrate when the deal is done? I feel like we deserve something. Maybe we can get -31- to tell us funny jokes.
 
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