Speculation: Derek Stepan Negotiations (9/19-Dreger: "Unlikely" Stepan signs before season opens)
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Tavares' deal is not a fair deal. It' s a deal that hugely favors the team over the player. And signing him to a more expensive bridge deal similar to Duchene will not set a precedent.
eco's bones
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Someday another GM will offer sheet a Rangers player and we shall see what happens. There's always a first time for everything. There are limitations to what any team can spend so there is no such thing as an endless wallet. As far as retaliating against the team that will do such a thing that's another wait and see deal. This might not happen until after Sather has left but I'm not sure he's not going to retire sometime soon anyway.
While true that the Rangers are a premium place to play for probably a high % of NHL'ers it's not true for everyone and there may come a time when a Ranger player signs an offer sheet because he'd rather play somewhere else though the Rangers do go through a lot of trouble with those they develop in their system to acclimate themselves to both the organization and the city.
Flyers just signed Matt Read to a 4 year deal over $3.6 mil per.
While true that the Rangers are a premium place to play for probably a high % of NHL'ers it's not true for everyone and there may come a time when a Ranger player signs an offer sheet because he'd rather play somewhere else though the Rangers do go through a lot of trouble with those they develop in their system to acclimate themselves to both the organization and the city.
Flyers just signed Matt Read to a 4 year deal over $3.6 mil per.
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Blackhawkswincup
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pld459666
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you praise the Islanders...
Lets see
Tavares - no bridge deal
Okposo - No bridge deal.
Hamonic - no bridge deal
Grabner - no bridge deal
Interesting that they have identified their core and have taken care of them with long term extensions
If nyr had space Stepan would get a long term too but they don't. Blame it on the Richards deal or whatever but its not comparable since the isles are way below the cap. 3 million is not a bad offer
So now accepting a cap friendly contract makes a player an idiot? Perhaps Tavares is just a more mature, grounded individual who's more concerned with the team's best interests instead of his own like Stepan. Then again that's what you would expect from a superstar player who is a natural born leader as well.
I think at this point there is no pressure on Stepan to sign. However, once he starts missing paychecks, and the longer it drags on and he misses any extended period of time, it will affect his Olympic participation, he might get the itch to sign a contract.
I love Stepan, but he really is hurting himself big time, especially this year, an Olympic year. He should try getting $3.1-$3.2 on a bridge contract and build from there. I figure he will sign just before the season starts.
I love Stepan, but he really is hurting himself big time, especially this year, an Olympic year. He should try getting $3.1-$3.2 on a bridge contract and build from there. I figure he will sign just before the season starts.
BBKers
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Either Stepan or his agent are fools if they think they can somehow here force Sathers hand to get Duchene money (or even more than that) or there is another agenda. It is just not warranted. Or going to happen. They have really put themselves in a corner in this negotiation, almost looks like the agent wants to see an offer sheet. Or Stepan? They have agreed on the term. Now it is a plain $$ issue. $0,5 M apart per year. Small change in the bigger picture but still a lot of money for a young guy. I am going with the fool part and honestly think the counsel here is flawed. Does he think he is the second coming of Jerry MacGuire or what? But if you put youself in a boat with an idiot you have hired you then take responsibility for his actions and him getting the boat ashore safely. Stepan needs to see this. He ain´t no kid no more making these kind of bucks. Welcome to the real world - it is a brutal place.
Also sets a precedent for future NYR bridge signings. Sathers offer is good enough IMO. Sorry Stepan, sign, skate, score & suck it up. The comparisons here to other UFAs, other teams contracted players, top 5 picks on a bridge, other non comparable RFAs and "fairness" are... amusing at best. Trying for the most part
Also sets a precedent for future NYR bridge signings. Sathers offer is good enough IMO. Sorry Stepan, sign, skate, score & suck it up. The comparisons here to other UFAs, other teams contracted players, top 5 picks on a bridge, other non comparable RFAs and "fairness" are... amusing at best. Trying for the most part
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KingWantsCup
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As I've been saying he'd do... a hold out. And you know what? I don't even blame Stepan at all. The value he put up last year was only topped by Hall on a dollar per point basis. With the way Sather handles RFA's there was no way he was ever going to get close to what he deserves without a hold out. So here we are. Totally sucks for us, don't get me wrong, but I can definitely see why he'd do this.
Raspewtin
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last year, and last year only. after an absolute suck-tastic start, and two good but nothing great years. He's really just becoming our first line center. There's reasonable doubt that his play continues to be at the level he set it at, which is why he's getting a cheap bridge deal, and it's too ****ing bad for him. His compensation is that in 4 years he has every ounce of leverage there is, I don't feel bad for him one ounce.
Stepan needs to sign the contract.
What did Lana Del Rey say in her song "National Anthem"?
"Money is the anthem of success"
"Money is the reason,
We exist.
Everybody knows it,
It's a fact. Kiss, kiss."
Today is day #11 of camp. Season begins in 12 days. He needs to get his ass into camp. McKenzie indicated the Rangers are willing to pay a little more than $3M to get it done while Stepan is stuck at a higher number. Stepan is getting bad advice from Matt Oates. He is hurting himself here.
What did Lana Del Rey say in her song "National Anthem"?
"Money is the anthem of success"
"Money is the reason,
We exist.
Everybody knows it,
It's a fact. Kiss, kiss."
Today is day #11 of camp. Season begins in 12 days. He needs to get his ass into camp. McKenzie indicated the Rangers are willing to pay a little more than $3M to get it done while Stepan is stuck at a higher number. Stepan is getting bad advice from Matt Oates. He is hurting himself here.
haohmaru
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And it's not hard to figure out that anything above a low 3 million number results in the Rangers having to cut players from their roster and Stepan really isn't in a position where he can sign somewhere else. This should've got done already.
eco's bones
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The reason we exist is because once upon a time some man and some woman got it on and 9 months or so later out you popped. What happens afterwards is somewhat up to you and somewhat up to extenuating circumstance or things outside your control. Paper money and coinage are relatively new to the world of human development. Value systems are all and always have been arbitrary constructs. We had to go through a number of stages to get to where we are now which is only another stage to something else.
Hunter Gathers
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I think that's officially the first time I ever saw a Lana Del Ray reference in regards to hockey.
Bullseyes
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Lol, a Lana Del Rey reference when it comes to hockey, haven't seen that before.
Stepan is hurting himself. He's also hurting the Rangers the longer he sits out. They need to get the congrat done ASAP.
free0717
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Stepan deserves a long term deal. Brad Richards as hard as he has worked will only prove out to be no better than a 2nd line center this year. With Brassard ready to explode, We really did not need Richards. Should have been a compliance buyout. This would have given the Rangers the cap space they need to give Step the Long term deal he deserves. If we could have given him the same deal as McD, it would have been a steal. Now when he signs, two years down the road, the Rangers will have to give him 6M per in order to keep him. Sather is so intent on winning the battles, its going to lose him the war.
cd211
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thats why agents kill sports.. step is prob pissed hes not playing but being advised to sit for leverage obv... but rangers don't buy that **** bc yes they need him/want him but they have incredible center depth that they can survive without him..
balls in the center's court.. even tho rangers should just pay him his asking.. its ridiculous sides battle over 500k AAV/1m total... bc thats such bs for the team and fans...
i hate how everythings a business...
balls in the center's court.. even tho rangers should just pay him his asking.. its ridiculous sides battle over 500k AAV/1m total... bc thats such bs for the team and fans...
i hate how everythings a business...
free0717
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Sather is really trying to screw Step. Matt Duschene scored 150 points in his first three full seasons. If you figure last season would have been 82 games, Step would have had another 30 points +-. Step has been durable(never missed a game) That would have given Step 170 points in his first 3 seasons. A two year 7M bridge contract is very fair. If that's what it takes, Sather give him his contract. Asham and Power are definite goners. Go with 22 players instead of 23. Waive Pyatt. Or sacrifice Biron and use Talbot as the Back up. These are the type of decisions it takes to get a player like Stepan into the line up
silverfish
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I understand that Stepan may "deserve" a big deal, but here are the facts:
He has no leverage
This is a business
Say what you want about Sather, but he is a shrewd businessman. He has the opportunity to keep his #1 center on a cheap deal for the next two years. If he just goes and throws a 6 year $4.5mil++ deal to Stepan right now, it's a poor decision. We're cap tight right now, and it will much easier to hand Stepan a long-term deal when the cap increases.
What's the cap ceiling going to be in two years, around $80mm? Sather can walk into Stepan's agent's office and say "Shut up and take my money" then. But for now? Lowball the kid.
(I say this as one of Derek Stepan's biggest fans. He is my favorite Ranger on the roster today, and I have his jersey hanging in front of me as I type this).
Player big P
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It's also unreasonable to assume that Stepan would've scored 30 more points in a full season. 34 games is a long time to potentially hit a slump, or more than one slump.
LORDE
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This is it right here.
Done and done.
The ball is in Step's court, NOT the NYR. He can sign or not, but he's not getting the figure he (or his agent) want.
"Money is the anthem of success"
Stepan wants to keep up with his buddy McDonagh. The players measure their success by how much money they make.
Stepan just needs to be a little more patient and he will get more than McDonagh got. 6 years/$28.2M. $4.7M.
$4M
$4.3M
$4.5M
$5M
$5.1M
$5.3M
The last 3 years are group 3 years.
Stepan signs a 2 year deal now and a 6 year deal in 2015. 4 group III years.
Stepan needs to play. Get back in camp. He wants to make the US Olympic team. In 1997,Lou was locked in a bitter contract negotiation with Bill Guerin. Lou threatened to leave Guerin off the Olympic team if he didn't sign the contract. Lou was running the 1998 Olympic team.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1997-11-23/sports/9711220216_1_lamoriello-bill-guerin-team-usa
A few weeks later,Guerin was traded to Edmonton for Arnott. The U.S. Olympic team was terrible. The players trashed their rooms.
Stepan wants to keep up with his buddy McDonagh. The players measure their success by how much money they make.
Stepan just needs to be a little more patient and he will get more than McDonagh got. 6 years/$28.2M. $4.7M.
$4M
$4.3M
$4.5M
$5M
$5.1M
$5.3M
The last 3 years are group 3 years.
Stepan signs a 2 year deal now and a 6 year deal in 2015. 4 group III years.
Stepan needs to play. Get back in camp. He wants to make the US Olympic team. In 1997,Lou was locked in a bitter contract negotiation with Bill Guerin. Lou threatened to leave Guerin off the Olympic team if he didn't sign the contract. Lou was running the 1998 Olympic team.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1997-11-23/sports/9711220216_1_lamoriello-bill-guerin-team-usa
A few weeks later,Guerin was traded to Edmonton for Arnott. The U.S. Olympic team was terrible. The players trashed their rooms.
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