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Wouldn't take the deal either. Has anyone considered that Snow/Wang is spending money on scouting instead signing slightly better role players? Our front office isn't very forthcoming.
It's also worth noting Snow offered all his picks for the second overall pick. i.e. Ryan Murray. He/scouting obviously saw something in him. Though he's injured now, so we may of avoided another de Haan."
That is not what I have heard. I heard they cut back everywhere including scouting. Based on the 10 cent coach, I suggest they don't spend on anything you would think a team trying to developed good young players would. I like Web, Cairns, Klatt... but have to wonder how much is Wang reading a copy of Red line in the can. Pass on Hamilton and Fowler... I wonder.

Considering we drafted all defence last draft is a good example. Snow put precedence on what (was) our weakest position. It's still at the NHL level, but not for prospects.
I wouldn't knock Snow's drafting, especially not this early. I am impressed by his drafting in the later rounds. De Haan was a flub, but his career isn't done yet.
He should have done that three years ago. If he needs to be reactionary he needs to trade, not draft. Guys taken now won't be ready for a long time. That doesn't do Tavares much good currently.

Of course I want to see us improve, but I know rebuilding can take up to a decade before the results play off. Chicago took eight years to rebuild, look at them now, they're unstoppable.
I'd say this rebuild started in 2008. We tried the playoffs in 2007, didn't work.
Rebuilds also require development. Currently there is no support for development.

How is that saving money for Wang? That would mean insurance would have to pay him, (from being medically unfit to play.) If anything they're holding onto him hoping he'll retire from injury, so he won't count towards the cap and the Isles don't have to pay him for the next decade. He isn't retiring and they're getting impatient (rightfully so.)
Now they can buy him out without his cap hit sticking, it might seem like a blessing for Wang now, the next ten years? Not so much. But it's the better of the two evils.
It saves Wang money because when Rick is out injured, let's say 80% of the season, he still gets credit for the entire year of salary towards the floor. But he gets reimbursed on the 80%. Meanwhile the players and fans get screwed out of 3-4 million in player assets on the ice.
 
Wang this summer admitted there were, so you are wrong. You should update your material if you are going to defend this laughingstock of an owner/organization.

I was quoting someone else, and they were being satirical. Try again.


We are drafting, yes, and sometimes poorly. Getting caught dumping a bunch of assets into Calvin the Fra-gil-le' and trying to make up for it with a ridiculous defensemen-mostly draft was and still is embarrasing. That it leaked that we offered all of our draft picks for Larsson is even more embarrassing but at least they realized, finally, that you can't go mostly offense with your drafting like the previous years. I guess that is something. Maybe Reinhart will be a top 4 player by 2020. I hope I am still alive to see it.


Wouldn't take the deal either. Has anyone considered that Snow/Wang is spending money on scouting instead signing slightly better role players? Our front office isn't very forthcoming.
It's also worth noting Snow offered all his picks for the second overall pick. i.e. Ryan Murray. He/scouting obviously saw something in him. Though he's injured now, so we may of avoided another de Haan.

Considering we drafted all defence last draft is a good example. Snow put precedence on what (was) our weakest position. It's still at the NHL level, but not for prospects.
I wouldn't knock Snow's drafting, especially not this early. I am impressed by his drafting in the later rounds. De Haan was a flub, but his career isn't done yet.

I would bet Snow will look into drafting a bluechip defenseman. Seth Jones would look awfully nice in our colours.
If none are available, it's safe to say he'll go for a winger. Or just BPA if there's a substantial gap.


Development... now that is an interesting issue with this club, because they aren't very good at it. The club is so bereft of veteran leadership with a few skills that it hurts to see them blow games like kids vs. adults sometimes. They should be adding decent vets to help provide stability on the ice, but instead we get ahl scrubs, waiver garbage, and projects like Boyes. Some work out, many don't like Pock, Hillen, Reasoner, Schremp, etc. The club is too kid heavy, with most of the kids being average. Yes, if we had a club like Chicago that quickly scores 4 franchise players in a short time span maybe you can do it, but we didn't do that. Our draft picks that have made it to the club so far outside of Hamonic and JT are pretty middling. They aren't leaders. Martin will grow into one, but he is currently in improvement mode and shouldn't be saddled with that kind of responsibility, not yet anyway. They instead give us Mark ****ing Streit who is about as good a leader as Yashin. Bad idea.

Touche. And we need better coaching at all levels.
I feel we should look into getting an ECHL affliate. (All teams should have both AA, AAA imo) Doing this may help Bridgeport as well.

It's not like there's very many skilled players going into free agency. PA was offered 4mil for 4 years, which was risque at the time no doubt. He's scoring now, but there was no guarantee he'd continue to do so.


We need a few better parts and you would see the club's development improve more. This? This roster is just a cheap owner not giving a crap about the Islanders and Garf putting lipstick on a pig.

Of course I want to see us improve, but I know rebuilding can take up to a decade before the results play off. Chicago took eight years to rebuild, look at them now, they're unstoppable.

I'd say this rebuild started in 2008. We tried the playoffs in 2007, didn't work.


Moulson is pretty forgettable if he isn't paired with MM.

Moulson is forgettable in general, I don't think I've ever seen a more boring 30 goal scorer.
I'm not complaining, as long as he scores I don't care if he isn't flashy.


It is also the reason they haven't declared Rick medically unfit and retired him against his own will. There isn't a fan in Islander country who doesn't know Rick's done, and now we have the admission he has had a chronic condition the past three years that was kept hidden... Garth knew. Chuck knew. The Docs knew. All in the name of saving Wang money.

How is that saving money for Wang? That would mean insurance would have to pay him, (from being medically unfit to play.) If anything they're holding onto him hoping he'll retire from injury, so he won't count towards the cap and the Isles don't have to pay him for the next decade. He isn't retiring and they're getting impatient (rightfully so.)
Now they can buy him out without his cap hit sticking, it might seem like a blessing for Wang now, the next ten years? Not so much. But it's the better of the two evils.

Can we rename this thread to 'Delusional Rookie Fanboy Creative Fiction' or 'How to Piss Off Frustrated Veteran Posters Facing Reality' ?
 
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It is also the reason they haven't declared Rick medically unfit and retired him against his own will. There isn't a fan in Islander country who doesn't know Rick's done, and now we have the admission he has had a chronic condition the past three years that was kept hidden... Garth knew. Chuck knew. The Docs knew. All in the name of saving Wang money.

It's a pretty nice deal Wang has. Force the club to use an injured idealist as a backup, collect insurance money when he's injured which is most of the time, yet have his entire salary count against the cap.

I can't wait to see how he spends the league revenue sharing check - maybe gold plated mud flaps for his golf cart.

Well, we'll see what happens this offseason (or the next).

If rick doesn't get bought out, or gets bought out under the old rules (which means sticking the team with a 1.5 mil cap hit for 16, yes 16 more years), then the team isn't going to improve anytime soon.
 
Wouldn't take the deal either. Has anyone considered that Snow/Wang is spending money on scouting instead signing slightly better role players? Our front office isn't very forthcoming.
It's also worth noting Snow offered all his picks for the second overall pick. i.e. Ryan Murray. He/scouting obviously saw something in him. Though he's injured now, so we may of avoided another de Haan.

The team fired its Assistant GM, who ran the drafts, and replace him with literally no one. Someone can fact check this if they please but, with many teams having multiple AGM's, I'm pretty sure the Islanders are the only team in the NHL without a single one. While most teams have guys filling important scouting/development roles with experienced people in the field, the Islanders have Eric Cairns and Trent Klatt filling the roles. This does not exactly scream of a team dedicating funds to the management side of things.

Considering we drafted all defence last draft is a good example. Snow put precedence on what (was) our weakest position. It's still at the NHL level, but not for prospects.
I wouldn't knock Snow's drafting, especially not this early. I am impressed by his drafting in the later rounds. De Haan was a flub, but his career isn't done yet.

Care to give some examples of these late round picks who have been successful in the NHL? Here are the list of players beyond the third round to have played even a remotely relevant role for the Islanders since Snow took over as GM:

- Matt Martin
- Kevin Poulin
- David Ullstrom
- Casey Cizikas

That's a pretty underwhelming list. Others players drafted in rounds 4-7 during that same time period: Carl Hagelin, Jamie Benn, Alec Martinez, Matt Frattin, Carl Gunnarsson, Braden Holtby, Jason Demers, Anders Lindback, David Savard, Marcus Faligno, Gabriel Bourque, Brendan Gallagher. Let's be real. None of the four guys the Islanders have to offer will be relevant to the team five years from now. Despite having more picks than most teams due to all the trades he has made, Snow has not had a single late draft pick make a true impact beyond depth duties. Those are nice players but not the type that aren't easy to find. The Islanders would be better off with one Jamie Benn or Anders Lindback than 10 David Ullstrom's. I have no idea what it is that you are impressed with.


It's not like there's very many skilled players going into free agency. PA was offered 4mil for 4 years, which was risque at the time no doubt. He's scoring now, but there was no guarantee he'd continue to do so.

This is a problem that every single team in the NHL has to deal with. Somehow, they cope. Partly by not dedicating 9 million in cap space to two goaltenders who aren't even in the locker room.



Of course I want to see us improve, but I know rebuilding can take up to a decade before the results play off. Chicago took eight years to rebuild, look at them now, they're unstoppable.

I'd say this rebuild started in 2008. We tried the playoffs in 2007, didn't work.


But prior to the Blackhawks becoming a contender you could still see a tangible progress being made in development. Seabrook, Barker, Bolland, Byfuglien, Ruutu, and Keith were sticking in the NHL and progressing well before they were near contending. And they made sure to complement that young talent with veteran players who still could hold their own in the NHL. As has been said a million times here, aside from the blatantly obvious Tavares selection and Travis Hamonic, the Islanders have only been able to promote replacement-level skaters to the NHL. The two situations aren't very comparable in terms of long-term rebuilding.

Of course, guess when the Blackhawks really took off? When their cheap, incompetent owner, Bill Wirtz, died. I'll let you draw your own conclusions from that.
 
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