Proposal: DeBrincat to Ottawa

[Pertti]

That seventh overall pick has a good chance at finding that Sanderson level prospect you’re hoping for. You just have to trust your scouting staff to find them. There is going to be many good players there at #7 and with Chicago not having their early first this year, I’d think they want to get back into the top 10 given they’re heading into a rebuild.

My offer is an overpayment for Debrincat. He is due for a substantial raise next summer and has RFA rights that can lead him directly to unrestricted free agency, it’s a huge risk of any team acquiring him.

All in all it’s 1 top 10 pick, 2 other first round picks, then either a top 6 forward in Brown that can be dealt for more assets, or a young middle 6 forward in Formenton that has good potential.

You’re not going to find a deal better than that, and that’s what this thread’s premise is.

We fired our (draft) scouting staff in february(?). That is why we are not trusting our scouting this year, in summer we built new staff and next year we trust scouting.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

We are not moving Sanderson for anything outside of already a star D.

It's fair value, though. Obviously Chicago will understandably want more since Sanderson still a prospect, but Sanderson is going to be a critical vital piece for us.

 

[guyzeur]

If you think you can get a Sanderson-level player with 7th overall, than why not just swap out the pick for Sanderson? The Hawks might even be willing to drop one of the other pieces off then.

Regardless, based on the Hawks’ moves this year, I think they disagree with you about that pick. I’m not a huge fan of this draft myself, so it’s not super enticing to me, personally. It’s a good collection of assets for sure, but I think it lacks a real high-end piece that the Hawks would want. Also, I’m really not sure how Debrincat being an RFA in a year is a negative.

You can say that the Hawks won’t find a better offer than that, but there are two issues with that:
1) You don’t actually know that for sure
2) That statement is based on your evaluation of a potential package, not Chicago’s.

At the end of the day what I said still holds true. The Hawks will need to be made an offer they can’t refuse. Otherwise, they’ll just keep him.

"why not just swap out the pick for Sanderson?" and wait another 4 years for the replacement to be in the NHL? big no!

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

No point in arguing Sens fans.

Hawks fans think because they got a ton for Hagel that Cat will bring in twice as much just because without comprehending Hagels contract.

With Cat looking at 9 million per on his next contract he’s not worth Sanderson alone.

 

[99ovr]

Debrincat is insanely overrated I wouldn`t give up our 7OA for him alone

 

[Mrfenn92]

Debrincat is insanely overrated I wouldn`t give up our 7OA for him alone

Overrated? Please explain

 

[99ovr]

Overrated? Please explain

A good portion of his goals are coming from cross crease open tap-ins from P.Kane that anyone with a modicum of skill can finish. Of course he can create his own offense too, good playmaking, good IQ, crazy good shot and surprisingly has good two-way game, Not sure how I feel about him in the playoffs though.

I think he's a great player but his goals are inflated, there's no way he'll be as valuable as a prime Chabot or a prime Sanderson (potential top 5D in the league). I'd rather keep 7OA to have cost control for 7-11 years of a quality prospect like Gauthier or Kemmel.

 

[Mrfenn92]

A good portion of his goals are coming from cross crease open tap-ins from P.Kane that anyone with a modicum of skill can finish. Of course he can create his own offense too, good playmaking, good IQ, crazy good shot and surprisingly has good two-way game, Not sure how I feel about him in the playoffs though.

I think he's a great player but his goals are inflated, there's no way he'll be as valuable as a prime Chabot or a prime Sanderson (potential top 5D in the league). I'd rather keep 7OA to have cost control for 7-11 years of a quality prospect like Gauthier or Kemmel.

Ok

 

[McJedi]

you realize some prospects actually become elite players?

Chabot for DeBrincat?

 

[RememberTheRoar]

That seventh overall pick has a good chance at finding that Sanderson level prospect you’re hoping for. You just have to trust your scouting staff to find them.

Chicago’s new GM has already said that there wasn’t enough time to install his desired method of scouting before this draft.

So the scouts were still scouting under the old regime’s directives. I highly doubt the current GM is just going to trust those scouts and their old regime methods, especially if we’re talking about the pick being a centerpiece of a DeBrincat deal.

A good portion of his goals are coming from cross crease open tap-ins from P.Kane that anyone with a modicum of skill can finish. Of course he can create his own offense too, good playmaking, good IQ, crazy good shot and surprisingly has good two-way game, Not sure how I feel about him in the playoffs though.

I think he's a great player but his goals are inflated, there's no way he'll be as valuable as a prime Chabot or a prime Sanderson (potential top 5D in the league). I'd rather keep 7OA to have cost control for 7-11 years of a quality prospect like Gauthier or Kemmel.

Kane has played with a lot of different line mates. Can you name others who also consistently scored ~40 goals?

 

[99ovr]

Kane has played with a lot of different line mates. Can you name others who also consistently scored ~40 goals?

There's no denying that Debrincat is extremely talented, however he needs a guy like Kane (who is also one of the best playmakers of all time) to put up 40 goals a year. I'm skeptical he puts up 40 goals away from an extremely elite playmaker, I'd be curious to see how he does away from Kane if either player gets shipped this off season.

There really is no denying though that a lot of goals are coming from easy tap ins that anyone could put in but they do count of course.

 

[rockinghockey]

Lol, a young top 5 NHL goal scorer.

He is actually 14 in goal scoring and 38 in points so not a top 5. A dman like Chabot I would rather have plus Debrincat is going to want a huge pay day his next contract.

 

[Cubs2024wildcard]

There's no denying that Debrincat is extremely talented, however he needs a guy like Kane (who is also one of the best playmakers of all time) to put up 40 goals a year. I'm skeptical he puts up 40 goals away from an extremely elite playmaker, I'd be curious to see how he does away from Kane if either player gets shipped this off season.

There really is no denying though that a lot of goals are coming from easy tap ins that anyone could put in but they do count of course.

Add the fact Cat had three empty net goals and he’s not a actual 40 goal scorer this year.

He’s a beast on 3v3, that much is true, but nobody benefits more from playing with Kane then Debrincat.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

What would be the cost for Ottawa to acquire DeBrincat? And would there be a scenario where Ott and Chi could swap bad contracts? (Murphy, McCabe, Connolly, Murray) in the same of a separate deal.

Sanderson
Pinto
Kleven
Formenton

Not even close to getting Alex DeBrincat out of Chicago. You're going to have to part with pieces you don't want to part with to get DeBrincat.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Lmao yes they would.

And Sanderson alone wouldn't net DeBrincat.

People love to overrate their prospects.

No we really wouldn't. Sanderson is going to be a beast and win a Norris or two. His timeline is also perfect for us. Management would get lynched.

 

[Sinbad]

Debrincat is insanely overrated I wouldn`t give up our 7OA for him alone

With those talent evaluation skills, it’s a good thing you’re not a GM.

 

[BHawk21]

No we really wouldn't. Sanderson is going to be a beast and win a Norris or two. His timeline is also perfect for us. Management would get lynched.

Sanderson is going to win a Norris or two? Wow the hopes are sure high. This kid hasnt played 1 second in pro hockey...

2 Norris Trophys

Doug Harvey
Pierre Pilote
Bobby Orr
Denis Potvin
Larry Robinson
Paul Coffey
Chris Chelios
Ray Bourque
Brian Leetch
Nick Lidstrom
Duncan Keith
Erik Karlsson

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

There's no denying that Debrincat is extremely talented, however he needs a guy like Kane (who is also one of the best playmakers of all time) to put up 40 goals a year. I'm skeptical he puts up 40 goals away from an extremely elite playmaker, I'd be curious to see how he does away from Kane if either player gets shipped this off season.

There really is no denying though that a lot of goals are coming from easy tap ins that anyone could put in but they do count of course.

They said the same thing about Panarin.

 

[99ovr]

Sanderson is going to win a Norris or two? Wow the hopes are sure high. This kid hasnt played 1 second in pro hockey...

2 Norris Trophys

Doug Harvey
Pierre Pilote
Bobby Orr
Denis Potvin
Larry Robinson
Paul Coffey
Chris Chelios
Ray Bourque
Brian Leetch
Nick Lidstrom
Duncan Keith

Sanderson has the potential to be truly elite both offensively and defensively. Remember, at draft time he was considered to be an extremely elite shutdown defensemen with untapped offensive potential; his last 2 seasons in the NCAA proves he does have that elite offensive upside. I would be curious to see who you believe in today's NHL is elite (not just above average but genuinely elite) both offensively and defensively.

Not even close to getting Alex DeBrincat out of Chicago. You're going to have to part with pieces you don't want to part with to get DeBrincat.

The poster said Sanderson, Pinto, Formenton, Kleven for Debrincat, that trade would set Ottawa back 5 years. A potential top 5D in the league, a potential Selke winner, the fastest player in the world who has 25-30g upside while being an elite penalty killer and a potential 3rd pair physical defenseman (obviously not that valuable) for a 5'7 winger who can only put up 40 goals playing with one of the best playmakers of this generation? You don't think Ottawa's package would get that done? Doesn't that seem kind of like a joke?

They said the same thing about Panarin.

Panarin is a completely different player from Debrincat, more of a playmaker than a goal-scorer but he can do that well too. Again, I'm curious to see how Debrincat will produce without Kane if either are shipped this off-season, then we'll genuinely know what he can do. I highly doubt he'll hit 40 but I will admit I could be wrong! For what it's worth I'm a huge Habs hater but I think Caufield will be better than Debrincat, I think he's more dynamic. He might not put up the same goals/points as he's not playing with any super elite playmakers but only time will tell.

 

[BHawk21]

Sanderson has the potential to be truly elite both offensively and defensively. Remember, at draft time he was considered to be an extremely elite shutdown defensemen with untapped offensive potential; his last 2 seasons in the NCAA proves he does have that elite offensive upside. I would be curious to see who you believe in today's NHL is elite (not just above average but genuinely elite) both offensively and defensively.

Nobody is going to argue that potential is a good thing.

He has never played pro hockey you have no idea if he will be elite in any aspect.

You have to be penciling in Owen Power for the Hall of Fame right?

 

[Big Muddy]

This is a weird thread. Fans of both teams will like their guy and won't want to trade their player. And, I'd think the respective GMs won't want to trade the player either.

Just seems like a weird premise to make a trade thread about.

 

[BHawk21]

This is a weird thread. Fans of both teams will like their guy and won't want to trade their player. And, I'd think the respective GMs won't want to trade the player either.

Just seems like a weird premise to make a trade thread about.

Agreed.

24 Year old PPG 40 Goal Winger Vs 2nd best defensive prospect in the world.

Both teams rebuilding. I dunno. I think most GMs take the sure thing.

 

[Big Muddy]

Agreed.

24 Year old PPG 40 Goal Winger Vs 2nd best defensive prospect in the world.

Both teams rebuilding. I dunno. I think most GMs take the sure thing.

I don't think you understand the Ottawa market. The Senators would take the excellent, low cost ELC with cost control every time. That's their history.

If there's new ownership with deeper pockets, then perhaps the situation changes.

Nice try though.

 

[BHawk21]

I don't think you understand the Ottawa market. The Senators would take the excellent, low cost ELC with cost control every time. That's their history.

If there's new ownership with deeper pockets, then perhaps the situation changes.

Nice try though.

Nice try? what? I agreed with you. Im fine with taking the prospect if your Ottawa or Carolina. I think most GMs take the sure thing. Ottawa is cheap/poor so they should take the low money guy and try to win on his ELC

 

[Big Muddy]

Nice try? what? I agreed with you. Im fine with taking the prospect if your Ottawa or Carolina. I think most GMs take the sure thing. Ottawa is cheap/poor so they should take the low money guy and try to win on his ELC

Well, OK.

Ottawa is the poster child for a small market team with limited financial resources. So their history is to move their star player once he hits his payday contract.

It's possible that a few other small market teams might do the same if they were in the same position. That's the only other thing I was thinking of. But essentially, for the two teams specifically involved in this discussion, then yes, we are in agreement.