Proposal: DeBrincat to Ottawa

[MicronMega]

What would be the cost for Ottawa to acquire DeBrincat? And would there be a scenario where Ott and Chi could swap bad contracts? (Murphy, McCabe, Connolly, Murray) in the same of a separate deal.

Sanderson
Pinto
Kleven
Formenton

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[Malaka]

Not going to lie we’d be asking for Chabot.

Sanderson and your first would probably be just a starter.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Not going to lie we’d be asking for Chabot.

Sanderson and your first would probably be just a starter.

well thats the end of the thread.

Senators wouldn't trade Sanderson alone for DeBrincat

 

[Malaka]

Not going to lie we’d be asking for Chabot.

Sanderson and your first would probably be just a starter.

Murphy isn’t a bad deal either. A season ago we called it a steal, was worth a first and still has positive value/potential to improve. McCabe the same on the latter, coming off of surgery he’s struggled. Some of the names you’ve mentioned even like Murray for Connolly doesn’t make sense with our timeline imo. We don’t need holes to plug in the rebuild, we have kids to play. We’re not itching to get rid of cap space either with toews and others coming off the books but rather weaponize it a bit.

well thats the end of the thread.

Senators wouldn't trade Sanderson alone for DeBrincat

Yeah just being realistic but that’s what I figured. Both sides say no. Debrincat is a top scorer in the league and plays great two way hockey.

 

[Malaka]

Murphy isn’t a bad deal either. A season ago we called it a steal, was worth a first and still has positive value/potential to improve. McCabe the same on the latter, coming off of surgery he’s struggled. Some of the names you’ve mentioned even like Murray for Connolly doesn’t make sense with our timeline imo. We don’t need holes to plug in the rebuild, we have kids to play. We’re not itching to get rid of cap space either with toews and others coming off the books but rather weaponize it a bit.


Yeah just being realistic but that’s what I figured. Both sides say no. Debrincat is a top scorer in the league and plays great two way hockey.

As far as defenseman go, is chabot in your mind of the top 20 in the league?

 

[Space umpire]

well thats the end of the thread.

Senators wouldn't trade Sanderson alone for DeBrincat

Lol, a young top 5 NHL goal scorer.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Lol, a young top 5 NHL goal scorer.

yep, a testament to how good Sanderson is looking. I think he will be better than Chabot.

 

[Kevin Musto]

well thats the end of the thread.

Senators wouldn't trade Sanderson alone for DeBrincat

Lmao yes they would.

And Sanderson alone wouldn't net DeBrincat.

People love to overrate their prospects.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Lmao yes they would.

And Sanderson alone wouldn't net DeBrincat.

People love to overrate their prospects.

you realize some prospects actually become elite players?

 

[the paisanos guy]

you realize some prospects actually become elite players?

Like Debrincat? Why would Chicago trade an elite player for one who may become an elite player?

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Like Debrincat? Why would Chicago trade an elite player for one who may become an elite player?

well if they need a defenceman or if they think Sanderson will be an even better player.
I know I would take a two way top pair D over DeBrincat.

And I know that Sanderson isn't that yet, but based on his performance that is what he is trending as. Crazy good player.

 

[UglyPuckling]

This kind of thread goes nowhere.

 

[Malaka]

well if they need a defenceman or if they think Sanderson will be an even better player.
I know I would take a two way top pair D over DeBrincat.

And I know that Sanderson isn't that yet, but based on his performance that is what he is trending as. Crazy good player.

Debrincat is a multiple 40 goal scorer with two way play. It would take much more than Sanderson.

 

[Jamie Winston]

Whoa... since when is Murphy a bad contract? Top 4 D making around 4 mil is a pretty good contract.

 

[Srsly]

Rebuilding teams usually don’t trade 24 year old players who already have two forty goal seasons. If Sen’s fans wouldn’t entertain Sanderson straight up, then I don’t think there’s much discussion to have. Chicago should be focusing on moving out players 27+ for what they can and building around Debrincat.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Debrincat is a multiple 40 goal scorer with two way play. It would take much more than Sanderson.

i understand the Hawks can't justifying trading a elite player on their their roster for a potential elite player

But the Senators can not trade a player who is showing the upside of Sanderson and fits the make up of the team like Sanderson. 50 minutes of Chabot and Sanderson each game is going to be a thing very soon for Ottawa.

It's just not a good fit if you want Sanderson.

 

[MicronMega]

DeBrincat and Murphy for Murray, Sanderson, Formenton, Pinto

Chicago gets a cap dump goalie with bounce back upside, a top pairing prospect, a top 9 forward, and a top 6 prospect

Ottawa gets a top 5 goal scorer and a steady top 4 d man

Just remember that Hagel netted 2 firsts and two good prospects. DeBrincat is wayyyyy better than Hagel

 

[Sting]

DeBrincat and Murphy for Murray, Sanderson, Formenton, Pinto

Chicago gets a cap dump goalie with bounce back upside, a top pairing prospect, a top 9 forward, and a top 6 prospect

Ottawa gets a top 5 goal scorer and a steady top 4 d man

Just remember that Hagel netted 2 firsts and two good prospects. DeBrincat is wayyyyy better than Hagel

Sorry but from a value standpoint, that is an atrocious deal for Ottawa.

Chicago should be hanging on to guys like Debrincat anyway.

There's no deal to be had here from a Sens perspective.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

This is an impossible thread because there's the doubt around Debrincat extending. If he would extend at a reasonable rate, you have to consider trading anyone outside of Stutzle, Tkachuk and Chabot... but that's not the reality of the situation.

I'd give a lot for Murphy, though!

 

[Byron Bitz]

I think Sanderson for Debrincat is fair

i understand the Hawks can't justifying trading a elite player on their their roster for a potential elite player

But the Senators can not trade a player who is showing the upside of Sanderson and fits the make up of the team like Sanderson. 50 minutes of Chabot and Sanderson each game is going to be a thing very soon for Ottawa.

It's just not a good fit if you want Sanderson.

Right but the off-season doesn’t have to end there for Ottawa, they can acquire a top 4 Dman than you’ve got 50 minutes of Chabot and playerX.

 

[TLEH]

Jake Sanderson is not going to be better than Chabot & if I am moving DeBrincat I want a better player coming back.

I am open to moving DeBrincat but no thank you.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Lol, a young top 5 NHL goal scorer.

Senators fans said the same thing when Dallas fans asked what it would take to acquire Karlsson and we collectively said Heiskanen.

Prospects the caliber of Sanderson aren’t traded. Just as simple as that.

7th overall, Ridley Greig, Lassi Thomson/JBD and Connor Brown/Alex Formenton would be an excellent package IMO for Chicago given they don’t have their first this year.

 

[thesaadfather]

Senators fans said the same thing when Dallas fans asked what it would take to acquire Karlsson and we collectively said Heiskanen.

Prospects the caliber of Sanderson aren’t traded. Just as simple as that.

7th overall, Ridley Greig, Lassi Thomson/JBD and Connor Brown/Alex Formenton would be an excellent package IMO for Chicago given they don’t have their first this year.

Chicago’s management doesn’t seem to think this year’s draft is that great based on most of the moves that they’ve made. So I don’t think 7th overall moves the needle as much as it would for other teams. Given that, personally, there’s nothing in that package that I think would really “wow” the Hawks.

The problem with all these proposals for Debrincat is that people are operating under the assumption that they need to find a fair deal. Every report surrounding Debrincat this year has been clear: if he’s traded, it will be because the Hawks were offered something that they couldn’t say no to. It’s the same thing that happened with Hagel, the Hawks weren’t shopping him, but a team wanted him badly enough they were willing to overpay for him, and made the Hawks an offer that they couldn’t turn down.

Regardless how much people don’t think it’s fair value to trade Sanderson for Debrincat, it doesn’t matter, fair doesn’t come into the equation. Based on everything that’s been reported, pieces like Sanderson are going to need to be available. Otherwise, it’s probably not even worth having the discussion.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Chicago’s management doesn’t seem to think this year’s draft is that great based on most of the moves that they’ve made. So I don’t think 7th overall moves the needle as much as it would for other teams. Given that, personally, there’s nothing in that package that I think would really “wow” the Hawks.

The problem with all these proposals for Debrincat is that people are operating under the assumption that they need to find a fair deal. Every report surrounding Debrincat this year has been clear: if he’s traded, it will be because the Hawks were offered something that they couldn’t say no to. It’s the same thing that happened with Hagel, the Hawks weren’t shopping him, but a team wanted him badly enough they were willing to overpay for him, and made the Hawks an offer that they couldn’t turn down.

Regardless how much people don’t think it’s fair value to trade Sanderson for Debrincat, it doesn’t matter, fair doesn’t come into the equation. Based on everything that’s been reported, pieces like Sanderson are going to need to be available. Otherwise, it’s probably not even worth having the discussion.

That seventh overall pick has a good chance at finding that Sanderson level prospect you’re hoping for. You just have to trust your scouting staff to find them. There is going to be many good players there at #7 and with Chicago not having their early first this year, I’d think they want to get back into the top 10 given they’re heading into a rebuild.

My offer is an overpayment for Debrincat. He is due for a substantial raise next summer and has RFA rights that can lead him directly to unrestricted free agency, it’s a huge risk of any team acquiring him.

All in all it’s 1 top 10 pick, 2 other first round picks, then either a top 6 forward in Brown that can be dealt for more assets, or a young middle 6 forward in Formenton that has good potential.

You’re not going to find a deal better than that, and that’s what this thread’s premise is.

 

[thesaadfather]

That seventh overall pick has a good chance at finding that Sanderson level prospect you’re hoping for. You just have to trust your scouting staff to find them. There is going to be many good players there at #7 and with Chicago not having their early first this year, I’d think they want to get back into the top 10 given they’re heading into a rebuild.

My offer is an overpayment for Debrincat. He is due for a substantial raise next summer and has RFA rights that can lead him directly to unrestricted free agency, it’s a huge risk of any team acquiring him.

All in all it’s 1 top 10 pick, 2 other first round picks, then either a top 6 forward in Brown that can be dealt for more assets, or a young middle 6 forward in Formenton that has good potential.

You’re not going to find a deal better than that, and that’s what this thread’s premise is.

If you think you can get a Sanderson-level player with 7th overall, than why not just swap out the pick for Sanderson? The Hawks might even be willing to drop one of the other pieces off then.

Regardless, based on the Hawks’ moves this year, I think they disagree with you about that pick. I’m not a huge fan of this draft myself, so it’s not super enticing to me, personally. It’s a good collection of assets for sure, but I think it lacks a real high-end piece that the Hawks would want. Also, I’m really not sure how Debrincat being an RFA in a year is a negative.

You can say that the Hawks won’t find a better offer than that, but there are two issues with that:
1) You don’t actually know that for sure
2) That statement is based on your evaluation of a potential package, not Chicago’s.

At the end of the day what I said still holds true. The Hawks will need to be made an offer they can’t refuse. Otherwise, they’ll just keep him.