Value of: Debrincat at the deadline

[JoemAvs]

This is not necessarily true - if he decides to take a similar route that Tkachuk took- Sens can score like the Flames did

I don't think DeBrincat holds the same appeal that Tkachuk did.

Also I am not sure that the return was really that great for the Flames longterm (it certainly was decent value to say the least but That Huberdeau contract won't age well IMO and I think it could have killed their longterm future).

 

[Golden_Jet]

IMO Dorion repeated the mistake he made with the Duchene trade in a way.
The circumstances are different (coming out of a rebuild vs having just made the SCF) but he once again misevaluated his own roster and how good and ready it was.

Trading DeBrincat makes sense but he will most likely never get back close to what he paid (like with Duchene).

The truth is that you realistically do not want to be the team that dishes out a giant contract to DeBrincat.
I think he is an amazing player but due to the nature of his game (goalscorer that puts up numbers but plays the least valuable position and has deficiencies in the rest of his game), odds are that he is a contract you will regret down the line.

What are these deficiencies you speak of.

 

[Boud]

First off Kreider isn't waiving for any Canadian team especially for Ottawa, And the NYR don't have around $9,000,000 to $10,000,000 per long term to commit to Alex DeBrincat.

You didn't get the joke.

Kreider, Halak and a 2nd was a reference to the well known Montreal trademarked Ryder, Halak and a 2nd...

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

king fan here with dreams of a fila kopi Debrincat line. whats the price for la?

Roy, Kaliyev, 2023 1st rounder minimum.

 

[KevinRedkey]

I really like the way DeBrincat plays, and I'm starting to wonder if maybe shipping out Norris makes more sense (Pinto wont be a 3C forever).

 

[MNRube]

Trash thread.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Roy, Kaliyev, 2023 1st rounder minimum.

More than you paid for him lol

 

[Pinto Bean]

DeBrincat is the most expendable of the big name Ottawa forwards IMO.

-Tkachuk and Stutzle aren't going to be traded for obvious reasons.
- Norris is an all-situational player who plays an important position, can score, and is incredibly solid defensively (assuming he gets healthy)
- Batherson is probably our most versatile winger. Can score in a bunch of ways. Great shot, great size, great playmaking and is the easiest to movr around the lineup without effecting chemistry too much.

DeBrincat is an elite player. Big fan of his. But fact of the matter is that he's going to get a massive payday. He is more one-dimensional then the others mentioned. And he doesn't play a position of immense importance (#2 LW on the Sens).

 

[Pinto Bean]

Roy, Kaliyev, 2023 1st rounder minimum.

Would you trade Zub, 2023 1st rounder, and Pinto for Fiala?

Cause that's essentially what you're asking from LA for DeBrincat. And at least Fiala comes with contract security unlike DeBrincat.

 

[ClydeLee]

Feels they could get more in the summer if they work an extension with whoever they trade him too.

 

[dumbdick]

Can we trade him for a 1C? That's ottawa's most pressing need right now.



(C as in coach)

 

[DingDongCharlie]

I think it's now pretty clear that the only race the Senators will contend in is the race for Bedard.

What do you guys think Debrincat can fetch at the deadline? They didn't pay a lot to get him and he's not able to really score without an elite playmaker which the Sens don't have.

Imagine him on a team with McDavid, Marner, MacKinnon, Kucherov etc?

I bet teams will be lining up to get him at 50% retained and the Sens will get more than they paid to get him most likely.

That would be a great team

 

[PlayersLtd]

IMO Dorion repeated the mistake he made with the Duchene trade in a way.
The circumstances are different (coming out of a rebuild vs having just made the SCF) but he once again misevaluated his own roster and how good and ready it was.

Trading DeBrincat makes sense but he will most likely never get back close to what he paid (like with Duchene).

The truth is that you realistically do not want to be the team that dishes out a giant contract to DeBrincat.
I think he is an amazing player but due to the nature of his game (goalscorer that puts up numbers but plays the least valuable position and has deficiencies in the rest of his game), odds are that he is a contract you will regret down the line.

Interesting but I don't think this is true. IMO Debrincat was brought in to begin instilling a winning culture. PD knew that the competitive window wasn't yet open but it was time to inject a new attitude, one that would pay dividends after this year and even next, with or without Debrincat, and eventually propel the team through the playoffs.

This team should be better than it is. Entering the season we had one hole (RD) but bad coaching is holding us back and the Zub injury exposed how thin we are on D, which yeah, should have been obvious.

The Duchene trade was much more of a last ditch attempt kind of trade. We didn't have near the same depth as we do now but it was done out of desperation to remain competitive while we had EK and Stone and make a pitch to get both to resign. Miscalculated but also magnified by Karlsson beginning his regression that year and the absolute clusterhump that that SENS team turned into with a terrible start, injuries, Hoffman drama, etc...

So one trade was done as we were walking out the door (Duchene), the other while we are about to walk in it (Debrincat), imo. At least this one can still easily be salvaged.

 

[Pinto Bean]

Interesting but I don't think this is true. IMO Debrincat was brought in to begin instilling a winning culture. PD knew that the competitive window wasn't yet open but it was time to inject a new attitude, one that would pay dividends after this year and even next, with or without Debrincat, and eventually propel the team through the playoffs.

This team should be better than it is. Entering the season we had one hole (RD) but bad coaching is holding us back and the Zub injury exposed how thin we are on D, which yeah, should have been obvious.

The Duchene trade was much more of a last ditch attempt kind of trade. We didn't have near the same depth as we do now but it was done out of desperation to remain competitive while we had EK and Stone and make a pitch to get both to resign. Miscalculated but also magnified by Karlsson beginning his regression that year and the absolute clusterhump that that SENS team turned into with a terrible start, injuries, Hoffman drama, etc...

So one trade was done as we were walking out the door (Duchene), the other while we are about to walk in it (Debrincat), imo. At least this one can still easily be salvaged.

I would say "one hole" is putting it nicely. There are multiple holes on the Sens defence quite easily. Not to mention the depth beyond the starting night roster was incredibly thin with the main replacements being Zaitsev & Brassard. This is the NHL. You need competent replacement players when the inevitabe injuries come in and the Sens didn't have that either.

I do agree with your rhetoric about Duchene being a last ditch effort compared to DeBrincat being more of a continued growth opportunity. I just wish Dorion put that asset towards the d-core as opposed to a winger.

The optics of the picks in the two trades were vastly different too. The #7 pick in the 2022 1st round was seen as the pick where the draft really opens up. After Slaf, Wright, Cooley, Nemec, Jiricek, and Cutter Gauthier, there was pretty much no consensus on where the #7 pick would go. Pretty sure Korchinksie (spelling is off here) could have went anywhere from like #7 to maybe 15-20ish. Basically to say, it was far easier to trade then the lottery ticket that ended up being pick #4 in i believe the 2019 1st round.