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zeke said:
What's funny is that I just realized that Ritchie was signed for the same caphit as we signed Matt Martin to all those years ago, but for only half as long.
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what isn't funny is Martin was a more useful player

what's funnier is you just made me realize we signed Hyman and Brown for less than Ritchie , do you find that hilarious as well ?
 
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I wouldn't include Kerfoot or Mikheyev on that list. It's also too soon to tell regarding Mrazek.
 
Cherry Picker said:
Ritchie - 2.5M

Kerfoot - 3.5M

Mikheyev - 1.65M (UFA)

Holl - 2M

Mrazek - 3.8M

To me, these are all guys that can be replaced internally to fit Mo and Campbell’s next contracts in. Curious if there are any trade scenarios that would work with the above players. Leafs could use some sandpaper and scoring from the left wing
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A) None of these guys are "dead money". They all play, and when fit, hold a spot in the lineup - that's the opposite of dead money

B) Who replaces Mrazek and Holl internally?
 
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Gary Nylund said:
It sort of is IMO. Except we're not replacing low cost people with different lower cost people, those people just get paid less and thus become lower cost versions of themselves.
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Isn't that what offshoring is? :)
 
Fogelhund said:
I mean sure... Ritchie has one point in his first 10 games with us. Martin had one point in his first 16 games... so much more useful.
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i guess we rank players based on only points , cool

we should make a small wager on who stays in the league longer , should be a gimme win for since slick Nick is a decade younger
 
Gary Nylund said:
It sort of is IMO. Except we're not replacing low cost people with different lower cost people, those people just get paid less and thus become lower cost versions of themselves.
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Thats true but it still isn't how capitalism works though.
 
Ritchie sucks, but the rest are movable I think


Holl should be a guy who can be moved for a mid round pick if his play doesn't pick up as he only has 1 year deal

Kerfoot has started well as a winger and isn't a center. We might need a better 3C than kampf depending on the playoffs but if kerfoot gives 40+ points we should be able to move him

Mikheyev is a UFA and is most likely going to be moving on. He had 25 good games with the team and was mediocre in the rest. Not going to be worth bringing back unless he finds his offense this year


Mrazek at 3.8M is overpaid but he could be moved if he plays as a 1B level goalie. Him making 3.8 only sucks as Campbell looks considerably better and is a UFA driving his price up
 
It’s been a problem of this regime. Finding inefficiencies in the market was supposed to be their big strength, but they’ve actually been really bad at identifying those.

They have two guys outperforming cheap contracts and both of those guys are Toronto-born and wanted to come to this market.
 
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Capitalism does not put a ceiling on how much one can make (max contract) or spend (team salary cap). To the few people in here that mentioned it, No.....it's nothing like capitalism.
 
Tak7 said:
I'm not a Matt Martin fan, but he had much bigger presence on the ice.

I've barely noticed Ritchie through his first 10 games. He's been completely anonymous.
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Yes, Martin stick up for team mates more, and Ritchie's done nothing... but neither had any real impact on the results of the team. Both paid too much, both really not all that good at hockey... Unless Ritchie finds a way to be useful, I could care less if he was fired into the sun, and in no way am I wishing for Martin on this team either... I mean we are arguing over who is marginally more useless.
 
Fogelhund said:
Yes, Martin stick up for team mates more, and Ritchie's done nothing... but neither had any real impact on the results of the team. Both paid too much, both really not all that good at hockey... Unless Ritchie finds a way to be useful, I could care less if he was fired into the sun, and in no way am I wishing for Martin on this team either... I mean we are arguing over who is marginally more useless.
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Ritchie is more skilled than Martin not sure I get the comparison besides Ritchie having a bad start which is the same as martins entire career
 
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Mrazek was excellent in the preseason before getting hurt in his first game. He then went on to win in his second game and reaggravated the original injury. He will be fine. Jack will hold down the fort for now, but Mrazek will give us very meaningful minutes in short order.

You can only dress 1 tendy a night anyways.

Ritchie is what he is. I think we should have known better on this one TBH. discarded from 2 teams already. I think him on the 4th line is where he needs to be. by and large Ritch - Spezza - Simmonds has been great IMO. It was not what we planned for when we signed him at 2.5AAV, but that line seems to work. I think we can likely move him in the offseason if we need/want to

Kerf has been really good. Bigger cap hit, but he is filling in great with JT and Mitch.

Holl is entirely moveable if need be, but he is also far better than what he has shown this year. If he remains our 7D the rest of the way, we are in good shape.

obviously money will have to be moved out next year to work in the Reilly extension, Sandin + Lilly deals and Campbell. But it will all work out fine. We don't need to trade anyone this year to make room for next year...Is Ritchie overpaid as a 4th line LW? ya, but we can deal with it in the offseason no problem

as many have said. Not dead money at all
 
Fogelhund said:
Yes, Martin stick up for team mates more, and Ritchie's done nothing... but neither had any real impact on the results of the team. Both paid too much, both really not all that good at hockey... Unless Ritchie finds a way to be useful, I could care less if he was fired into the sun, and in no way am I wishing for Martin on this team either... I mean we are arguing over who is marginally more useless.
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Ritchie has 400 games played in the NHL.

I know he's been super underwhelming so far, but to say he's not good at hockey is pretty unfair.
 
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Cherry Picker said:
Ritchie - 2.5M

Kerfoot - 3.5M

Mikheyev - 1.65M (UFA)

Holl - 2M

Mrazek - 3.8M

To me, these are all guys that can be replaced internally to fit Mo and Campbell’s next contracts in. Curious if there are any trade scenarios that would work with the above players. Leafs could use some sandpaper and scoring from the left wing
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That's about $10M in cap space if you replace 4 of those guys with near league minimum contracts like Ho-Sang/Semyenov/Anderson/Biega/Menell/Hutch/guy better than Hutch but still cheap. Plus you have the Kessel money and a potential increase in the cap. Could easily leave us with $5M+ in cap space after Rielly and Campbell extensions.
 
All these players are more than serviceable until we find youth in the system to replace them. This will play its course over the rest of the season as injuries pop up.

We need to know that a guy like Alex Steeves can step into the lineup. So we can move 2-3 pieces for one important piece and then bring in youth to support rest of line up.
 
Calling them "dead money" is an exaggeration. The guys all have varying degrees of usefulness (nobody for example would refer to Kerfoot and his 5 points last playoffs of being useless, Mrazek has played literally two regular season games ect).

Funnily enough, if goes to show there are options available if the team needs to shed money to spend elsewhere. Not one of those names is immoveable
 
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Tak7 said:
I'm not a Matt Martin fan, but he had much bigger presence on the ice.

I've barely noticed Ritchie through his first 10 games. He's been completely anonymous.
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Eh with the Islanders maybe, not with the Leafs..Babcock certainly didn't have much use for the guy, he was averaging under 8 min a night of icetime before being banished to the press box
 
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