Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[JoelWarlord]

Shame he won't be in the NHL so we could whine about him being rushed instead.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Like i asked another poster : What is a top pairing D for you??

On a contender? A guy capable of playing 25+ minutes a night and being able to consistently tilt the ice in favour of the team he's on against the other team's best lines.

Sure and that just reinforces my point that no one cares that Ekblad was drafted 1st overall and there are MUCH better players behind him. As you mentioned, their best Dman was picked up off waivers and now forms an excellent first pair with Ekblad.

That's all that matters...people obsess over draft position, once they're drafted it doesn't matter anymore, all that matters is the value you bring to the team that drafted you.

Not who you are as a player vs other players drafted before or after you...that's just fan chatter and bragging rights.

Whether you want to qualify what he'll be as a Number #1 or top pairing Dman or top 4 Dman...these are just labels, they don't measure impact on the ice.

Not disputing any of that, just saying that I don't perceive him as having a very high ceiling.

I get what you're saying, and the sad reality is that defensemen like Reinbacher are such a rare commodity that you pretty much have to reach for them in order to get them on your team.

 

[Habs]

In 2014 the Florida Panthers picked Aaron Ekblad 1st overall...a few players picked after Ekblad include names like: Leon Draisaitl, Sam Reinhart, David Pastrnak, William Nylander, Dylan Larkin, Brayden Point.

In a vacuum, everyone would take any of those players before Aaron Ekblad.

But somehow, Aaron Ekblad patrols the Florida Panther's top pairing and is coming off a Stanley Cup. He's never recorded more than 41 points in any season.

In an alternate universe, perhaps the Panthers draft Draisaitl...but for now, I don't think they regret that decision whatsoever. There's a lot that goes into building a team.

David Reinbacher doesn't need to be a better player than Matvei Michkov or Ryan Leonard or anyone else from that pick, he just needs to be a valuable player for the Montreal Canadiens and to fit in somewhere as an important player.

All the rest is just fan chatter.

you don't think they would rather have Draisaitle or Pastrnak? lol
They win a cup either way, but Tkachuk and Bennet were the real winning move anyways. They could fill Ekblad's role with a half dozen guys at the trade deadline

 

[WeThreeKings]

Most fans have no issues waiting.

But most fans would like for our 5th OA pick to show us something and not look completely ordinary.

Not saying that means he won't be good... he likely will be in time, but it's quite underwhelming right now.

He is showing things - they just aren't the things you're picking up on. The team is very happy with his play but know he needs more seasoning. He's only played like 15 games in North American ice.

It's not underwhelming unless you were expecting this big flashy offensive toolkit. That's not what he was picked for and so if you are underwhelmed, you just didn't know the product we bought.

I didn't like the Reinbacher pick, but D2 means a 2nd D, not a 2nd pairing D. Think Seabrook in the 2010s.

I'm personally yet to come away from watching a Reinbacher game thinking he can be a 1st pairing defenseman. I think he'll be great at defending on the rush, and pretty good at in-zone defense, but I don't see the breakout machine that people seem to be touting him as.

He panics with the puck a bit too often, misses short passes, and loses it while handling it a bit too much for my taste.

I think he'll still be a perfect partner for Hutson, since he'll have the majority of the puck-carrying responsibilities on the pairing.

I think anyone hoping for Pietrangelo-upside is going to be sorely disappointed. We reached for needs, because a big, rangy, raw shutdown RD is a pretty rare and valuable commodity, and we didn't have anyone like him in our pool. Maybe he adds another gear to his game, or has an exponential development curve over the next couple years, but I really don't see him having top pairing upside, let alone number 1 upside.


Pietrangelo wasn't flashy or spectacular but he was an excellent puck-mover. If Reinbacher ever tops Pietrangelo's rookie season point totals (43) in a season I'll be (very) pleasantly surprised.

He was nervous in period 1, after that he settled down.. there's so much tape of his poise with the puck. He's still getting adjusted to North America and that was probably the fastest, most NHL caliber team he's ever faced on NA ice. The big news is how quickly he made the adjustments in that game and was pretty much controlling things defensively from period 2 on. Seriously, after period 1, what mistakes did he make? How many actual scoring chances were had when he was back in defensive posture?

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

He is showing things - they just aren't the things you're picking up on. The team is very happy with his play but know he needs more seasoning. He's only played like 15 games in North American ice.

It's not underwhelming unless you were expecting this big flashy offensive toolkit. That's not what he was picked for and so if you are underwhelmed, you just didn't know the product we bought.



He was nervous in period 1, after that he settled down.. there's so much tape of his poise with the puck. He's still getting adjusted to North America and that was probably the fastest, most NHL caliber team he's ever faced on NA ice. The big news is how quickly he made the adjustments in that game and was pretty much controlling things defensively from period 2 on. Seriously, after period 1, what mistakes did he make? How many actual scoring chances were had when he was back in defensive posture?

I give him full credit defensively, and think the PP goal against was more on Struble than anything. I just found his puck carrying lackluster overall. Hopefully he gets a game with Hutson to show exactly where his value will be in the future.

 

[CrazyBob]

I believe hes gonna have a fine career as a dman in the NHL. He might never be a star player but hes gonna be a solid piece to the Canadien so not too worried about him

 

[Captain97]

He likely ends up as either the complimentary player on a top pairing or the driving force of a 2nd pairing ie a number 2 Dman.

6'2/3 RHD number 2 dmen are extremely rare to acquire if you do not draft them. Toronto went forward heavy for years and have not had one in decades. A 34 year old Chris Tanev is the closest they've had in forever.

Can we stop complaining about Michkov in this thread or I can't believe he won't be an offensive dynamo. That's never been his game he's probably gonna put up 40-45 pts a year while being very good defensively. Think Ekblad, R. Anderson, Pietrangelo type player.

 

[River Meadow]

you don't think they would rather have Draisaitle or Pastrnak? lol
They win a cup either way, but Tkachuk and Bennet were the real winning move anyways. They could fill Ekblad's role with a half dozen guys at the trade deadline

I swear, some of the arguments on this site...

 

[WeThreeKings]

I give him full credit defensively, and think the PP goal against was more on Struble than anything. I just found his puck carrying lackluster overall. Hopefully he gets a game with Hutson to show exactly where his value will be in the future.

His puck skills are average. He gets pucks, he uses his skating to create separation and he moves the puck up to an outlet that keeps the offense moving forward.

He isn't beating people one on one.

 

[Beaker]

From the sounds of this thread we’re going to have to send him more encouragement letters in Laval

 

[WeThreeKings]

From the sounds of this thread we’re going to have to send more encouragement letters to Laval

More like see if we can make a deal with Molson so he can pay for some therapy. The way some people are getting upset over things they create in their own head as problems and issues, it requires some psychotherapy

 

[River Meadow]

He is showing things - they just aren't the things you're picking up on. The team is very happy with his play but know he needs more seasoning. He's only played like 15 games in North American ice.

It's not underwhelming unless you were expecting this big flashy offensive toolkit. That's not what he was picked for and so if you are underwhelmed, you just didn't know the product we bought.

I'm not expecting anything except to see... 'something', anything, from a guy drafted at 5OA. When I watch him, he to puts me to sleep.

We need to let him cook in the AHL for a good 2-3 yrs at minimum, I think.

 

[River Meadow]

 

[BaseballCoach]

I'm not expecting anything except to see... 'something', anything, from a guy drafted at 5OA. When I watch him, he to puts me to sleep.

We need to let him cook in the AHL for a good 2-3 yrs at minimum, I think.

LOL, he is better than Barron already, and better in his own zone than Mailloux and Hutson.

Even if Reinbacher had been drafted 10th instead of 5th, due to non-elite offence, that is still way before Mailloux, Hutson and Barron, so it should be no surprise that he has a solid game. Guhle at 16-OA made the team only a few months older than David is now.

 

[River Meadow]

LOL, he is better than Barron already, and better in his own zone than Mailloux and Hutson.

Barron is horrible.

 

[Habs]

More like see if we can make a deal with Molson so he can pay for some therapy. The way some people are getting upset over things they create in their own head as problems and issues, it requires some psychotherapy

I want our #5 overall to play like the guy we drafted at #62 overall, is that too much? It just doesn't look like the tools are there? I realize he's young but I'm not seeing it, and people are applauding the most basic defensive moves. 'Did you see the way he closed the gap!!!!!' I mean come on, they teach that in Bantom. We seem to be reaching for compliments and accolades.

 

[salbutera]

Barron is horrible.

Lord Barron von Dipshit ? No …can’t be, how can that be, “Sid said he’s an unbelievable Dman”

He’s unbelievable alright…

 

[Goldthorpe]

The reason why, every year, teams consistently draft defensemen that appear less skilled or sexy than available forwards ISN'T because scouts are dumbasses and collectively make this mistake again and again. I know it's tempting to believe so, but it's just not the case.

 

[417]

Not disputing any of that, just saying that I don't perceive him as having a very high ceiling.

I get what you're saying, and the sad reality is that defensemen like Reinbacher are such a rare commodity that you pretty much have to reach for them in order to get them on your team.

Heard an analogy the other day that I thought was perfect.

Reinbacher can be like that Offensive Tackle you draft in the 1st round that fans don't think is sexy.

But when he's Pro Bowl Left Tackle protecting the blindside of your franchise QB for 10 years...you finally understand, because those guys don't grow on trees.

you don't think they would rather have Draisaitle or Pastrnak? lol
They win a cup either way, but Tkachuk and Bennet were the real winning move anyways. They could fill Ekblad's role with a half dozen guys at the trade deadline

I'm sure the Florida Panthers are absolutely fine with how that draft unravelled and who they are toay.

The real life team building exercise that teams go through, is totally different than the fantasy one fans imagine.

 

[Habs]

The reason why, every year, teams consistently draft defensemen that appear less skilled or sexy than available forwards ISN'T because scouts are dumbasses and collectively make this mistake again and again. I know it's tempting to believe so, but it's just not the case.

The scouts are mostly about as right as the fans, they blow a ton of picks. They miss the hidden gems all the time, and are the same ones that had Falloon, Daigle, Nolan Patrick, Zadina, Wahlstrom, Kakko, Turcotte. ( to name a few) ranked so highly.

Kudos to Kent and the crew for taking Hutson, finding other hidden gems.. but the kid needs a lot of AHL time, something you don't hope for with your top pick.

I'm sure the Florida Panthers are absolutely fine with how that draft unravelled and who they are toay.

The real life team building exercise that teams go through, is totally different than the fantasy one fans imagine.

I think a sniper sells a lot more tickets and merch than Ekblad and gets you to the same spot for a cup run. What's a harder void to fill? A shutown 30pt dman, or a 100pt top player in the NHL? Sure they will tell you they are thrilled with Ekblad, but they don't win a cup without that Tkachuk trade regardless.

 

[417]

I think a sniper sells a lot more tickets and merch than Ekblad and gets you to the same spot for a cup run. What's a harder void to fill? A shutown 30pt dman, or a 100pt top player in the NHL? Sure they will tell you they are thrilled with Ekblad, but they don't win a cup without that Tkachuk trade regardless.

Exactly lol kind of the whole point...you're focused on one specific area of player procurement when specific players can be acquired through trades, or free agency, in addition to the draft.

Doesn't change the point I made...

 

[sansabri]

lemme know when the Flyers have a deep team. Kaprizov hasn't done much for the Wild in terms of 'going deep'

 

[KevSkillz4]

Sometimes to build a winning team, we need to draft the not "sexy pick". Sometimes to win in playoffs, we need great bottom 6 to score very important goal.

Sometimes, a D like Reinbacher will help more than a offensive elite talent guy in playoff, sometimes team need a D like Reinbacher to play with a D like Lane Hutson.

 

[salbutera]

The scouts are mostly about as right as the fans, they blow a ton of picks. They miss the hidden gems all the time, and are the same ones that had Falloon, Daigle, Nolan Patrick, Zadina, Wahlstrom, Kakko, Turcotte. ( to name a few) ranked so highly.

Kudos to Kent and the crew for taking Hutson, finding other hidden gems.. but the kid needs a lot of AHL time, something you don't hope for with your top pick.

I could swear Seider spent more than 2/3 of a season in AHL…

 

[Habs]

Exactly lol kind of the whole point...you're focused on one specific area of player procurement when specific players can be acquired through trades, or free agency, in addition to the draft.

Doesn't change the point I made...

I know what you are saying, I don't entirely disagree. I'm just saying take the BPA and never draft by position. If Kent legit thought Reinbacher was the BPA, and the scouts did, I would question the draft decision making that year. They got it right with Demidov and so many others, I just don't see anything yet with this kid. If I'm wrong, I'll eat it

I could swear Seider spent more than 2/3 of a season in AHL…

Possibly, and wouldn't that be amazing if he DR was that good...