Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Runner77]

Don't think Bobrov’s dad worked for the teams that Kakko and Andersson played for.

Allowing the process to play out doesn't equate to appealing to authority.

Of course but the announcement that Michkov is coming to North America is not additional proof to an already premature opinion that the Montreal Canadiens made a mistake picking Reinbacher ahead of him.

The teams that Bobrov’s dad is involved in, was not the argument. It was strictly about the poster that I responded to, making it about an appeal to authority. All I was arguing was that an appeal to authority is not always as reliable as he was positing.

Again, you’re mixing apples and oranges. I was responding to that poster’s absolute claims — he never wrote anything about how it will play out, nor did he link appeal to authority with the playing out of the decision made. You’re conflating elements that his post did not state.

And for a third time, you’re introducing elements I never stated. Show me where I said that Michkov coming to the US is additional proof of anything.

This is going nowhere. Sry man, I can’t follow where you’re going, I only tried to respond to what the guy wrote, not to what you added in your above post, which is strictly your take, not his.

 

[DAChampion]

The Reinbacher thread is still dominated by uninteresting talk about Michkov.

 

[Runner77]

Sure he could be wrong in the end. However I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to the man whose father has had hundreds of viewings of the kid and knows everything about him personally.

Also Bobrov didn't make the decision unilaterally and this current Habs hockey ops group has a pretty darn good batting average right now with their draft selections. Other teams tried to trade with the Habs to get the 5th pick so they could take Reinbacher.

I follow the prospects closely and I wanted Ryan Leonard but I'm not obtuse enough to declare the Habs made a big mistake when they picked a player who has been extremely impressive as a teenager playing a demanding position and strong all-around game in high end men's pro leagues.

If you’ve looked into how Bobrov reportedly acts in draft meetings, it’s not far fetched to state that he has a preponderant view. He was the lead Euro scout for the Rangers — those failed Euro draftees were all recommended by him.

So now we’re getting personal. Obtuse? WTF are you, a philosopher king?

Maybe you watched The Shawshsnk Redemption too many times. Obtuse my ass.

Maybe some of us are not as “obtuse” as you are for thinking that an appeal to authority is an absolute concept. Go take a swim in refuse water with Andy Dufresne. If you can’t respond without resorting to condescending qualifiers, you’re not worth my time.

 

[Tyson]

The Reinbacher thread is still dominated by uninteresting talk about Michkov.

I just hope he crushes it at training camp.

 

[Runner77]

I just hope he crushes it at training camp.

As Habs fans, can’t ask for better.

 

[417]

The teams that Bobrov’s dad is involved in, was not the argument. It was strictly about the poster that I responded to, making it about an appeal to authority. All I was arguing was that an appeal to authority is not always as reliable as he was positing.

Again, you’re mixing apples and oranges. I was responding to that poster’s absolute claims — he never wrote anything about how it will play out, nor did he link appeal to authority with the playing out of the decision made. You’re conflating elements that his post did not state.

And for a third time, you’re introducing elements I never stated. Show me where I said that Michkov coming to the US is additional proof of anything.

This is going nowhere. Sry man, I can’t follow where you’re going, I only tried to respond to what the guy wrote, not to what you added in your above post, which is strictly your take, not his.

Didn't think I wrote anything controversial, perhaps I didn't properly capture the context of your conversation, but fair enough.

 

[DAChampion]

As Habs fans, can’t as for better.

I just hope he crushes it at training camp.

And progression over the year in Laval.

Hutson-Reinbacher
Engstrom-Mailloux

For the win.

 

[Tyson]

And progression over the year in Laval.

Hutson-Reinbacher
Engstrom-Mailloux

For the win.

Damn the Habs are drowning with solid D prospects

 

[Runner77]

Didn't think I wrote anything controversial, but fair enough.

I just thought there were points being made in your post that the poster I was responding to, had not made and simply circumscribed my points accordingly in my response to him. Nothing controversial, I just thought the flow of things had become murky.

Anyway, back to Reinbacher since apparently, we have gone astray and this has induced somnolence for some of our esteemed fellow posters.

 

[MON4NHLTOR4MLB]

It’s why you can never worry about the Russian contracts, they always come over or get their contract terminated to come to nhl. Should’ve went with Michkov then a D this draft

 

[417]

I just thought there were points being made in your post that the poster I was responding to, had not made and simply circumscribed my points accordingly in my response to him. Nothing controversial, I just thought the flow of things had become murky.

Anyway, back to Reinbacher since apparently, we have gone astray and this has induced somnolence for some of our esteemed fellow posters.

Well for me, this conversation is off because if there was one player I feel we passed on that would have been perfect fit, seems to be Ryan Leonard more than anyone.

But oddly enough, I don't see that narrative being spread.

Why?

 

[Runner77]

Well for me, this conversation is off because if there was one player I feel we passed on that would have been perfect fit, seems to be Ryan Leonard more than anyone.

But oddly enough, I don't see that narrative being spread.

Why?

Only player who was said to be within Bedard’s stratosphere was someone we can’t speak of in a Reinbacher thread. Leonard was never touted to the same extent.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Aren't these two statements true if every 1st Rd pick in any year?

Outside of the unanimous/concencus 1OA selections (& even then you get the occasional Laf or Yak or Stefan) the debate of the right order of picks goes on until players firmly establish themselves in the NHL (or bust completely).

Heck, even the Price selection remains debated for some... With the idea that Kopitar would've left us better off.

I don't get why this RB pick seems to stir up such strong convictions from some. There remains far more to be seen than is known by anyone right now as far as what players not named Connor will become NHL stars from that draft.

Yes ofcourse. 100 percent. It's just that this team has gone decades without a bonified offensive star, which when you think of this team's illustrious history is both incredulous and sad.

Its almost impossible to get those types without drafting them, atleast in Montreal. So when one potentially was there for the picking and passed on you can understand how this one is different for a majority of hab fans. Even if here's no guarantee he hits his vast potential.

I personally now hope he busts and am team Reinbacher all the way.

 

[Milhouse40]

It’s why you can never worry about the Russian contracts, they always come over or get their contract terminated to come to nhl. Should’ve went with Michkov then a D this draft

It was not only the contract for sure, although it probably is a part of the equation.
I have my own theories about Michkov's contract......

That contract was to control where he ends up, that is what he could lift for a team and simply say to the other that he's under contract.

If you guys think the Habs made a mistake, how about Arizona, I mean Utah?
There was a reason many passed on him..

But hey, let's wait a little, apparently Flyer's front office are trying to figured out if the rumors are true, it's only their player after all.

 

[417]

Only player who was said to be within Bedard’s stratosphere was someone we can’t speak of in a Reinbacher thread. Leonard was never touted to the same extent.

But we can’t keep repeating the narrative that Michkov was in the same stratosphere as Bedard, while simultaneously ignoring their were 3 other teams who passed on him before Habs ignored him and picked Reinbacher and another team who also passed on him.

Why did a player whose apparently in the same stratosphere as the #1 pick, last all the way to #7?

Clearly the consensus among those who were picking was that he was NOT in the same stratosphere.

If he was, he wouldn't have been available for the Habs to select.

 

[Deleted member 257557]

I feel bad for Reinbacher, he will have a lot of pressure on him early that he really doesn't deserve and that Habs management inadvertently foisted on him but it is what it is. He better be good, and soon . . . for his own well-being and happiness.

The only people I read talking about this and keeping it current start their post with “I feel bad for him”… Reads more like a veiled threat lol

 

[Caser]

Some sort of an alternative history going on in this thread where Bobrov-sr. is the key person on the SKA team

Seriously though iirc Bobrov-jr. made it clear in the post-draft interview that they weren't comfortable picking someone, who they didn't see playing in person, that high. Was fine for the Konyushkov pick though.

 

[DAChampion]

Only player who was said to be within Bedard’s stratosphere was someone we can’t speak of in a Reinbacher thread. Leonard was never touted to the same extent.

Maybe there's new material, maybe I overreacted. I'm sorry.

It is tiring to see the same retroactive clairvoyance in drafting for decades, but you're not one of the posters that heavily engages in it.

 

[Deleted member 257557]

Yes ofcourse. 100 percent. It's just that this team has gone decades without a bonified offensive star, which when you think of this team's illustrious history is both incredulous and sad.

Its almost impossible to get those types without drafting them, atleast in Montreal. So when one potentially was there for the picking and passed on you can understand how this one is different for a majority of hab fans. Even if here's no guarantee he hits his vast potential.

I personally now hope he busts and am team Reinbacher all the way.

I hope they both turn out freaking amazing because I watch hockey

 

[Tyson]

Maybe there's new material, maybe I overreacted. I'm sorry.

It is tiring to see the same retroactive clairvoyance in drafting for decades, but you're not one of the posters that heavily engages in it.

I think in about 2 seasons of proper development we will all be happy that the Habs picked Reinbacher. If anyone hasn't seen his 1st AHL goal I recommend you see it.

 

[Whitesnake]

Yes notice how I wrote that they should be criticised when it becomes evident they made a mistake and not when amateur sleuth scouts who think the teams they cheer for should follow their draft list or else they're wrong?

Like everyone whining about the passing on picking Jiri Kulich in 2022.

Kept reading that, still waiting for that to come to pass.

Well to each their own. I know I'm not whining if the Habs don't follow my list. I'm whining when somebody says that maybe we would not have picked him if he wasn't a right d-man.....As I always been true to my thinking about that.

Not sure what your point about Kulich is...it's not like we know that he finally wasn't a good pick after all...lol

 

[Whitesnake]

No, its not, that's your interpretation.

Again, I stated a FACT, 6 teams did pass on him, that's all I stated.

Your subjective analysis of the 5 players picked ahead of him and the reason why it was OK for those teams to pass on him, but not the Habs.

Is just that, subjective, and not YET rooted in fact, unlike you and many others are attempting to say.

But you are trying to make a point out of sometihng that was never a point. Nobody claims that we passed on a guy who should have been No1. The claim is that we passed on somebody that should have been picked at 5. All things considered, I'M pretty sure that most people who would have wanted Michkov...would have taken Bédard, Carlsson and Fantilli ahead....and maybe even Smith.

I think in about 2 seasons of proper development we will all be happy that the Habs picked Reinbacher. If anyone hasn't seen his 1st AHL goal I recommend you see it.

I still believe that Reinbacher will be a NHL'er. For sure. Yet, no matter the 1st goal.....I'm really hesitant to think that he is an offensive d-man that will see some No1 PP. No2? Maybe. But to me, Reinbacher will be a No3-4. Solid one. A guy we will indeed like to have in the playoffs.

He'd even be fine handling Michkov 1 on 1 in the playoffs...lol

 

[Schooner Guy]

If you’ve looked into how Bobrov reportedly acts in draft meetings, it’s not far fetched to state that he has a preponderant view. He was the lead Euro scout for the Rangers — those failed Euro draftees were all recommended by him.

So now we’re getting personal. Obtuse? WTF are you, a philosopher king?

Maybe you watched The Shawshsnk Redemption too many times. Obtuse my ass.

Maybe some of us are not as “obtuse” as you are for thinking that an appeal to authority is an absolute concept. Go take a swim in refuse water with Andy Dufresne. If you can’t respond without resorting to condescending qualifiers, you’re not worth my time.

I wasn't directing obtuse at you and I apologize that it came off that way. I was directing it at myself in acknowledging I follow the draft eligibles closely but I'm not close to this situation (not many are given he's playing in the KHL).

Maybe practice a little bit of what you preach however and take it easy on the "appeal to authority" personal jabs when all I'm doing is suggesting that there are people getting paid big bucks who are privy to a lot of intimate knowledge on the Michkov file that go beyond basic stats and highlight reels.

As for Michkov, he's not comparable to Bedard as you suggest or he would have gone #2 overall. He's not even close to Bedard's prospect or phenom status.

 

[417]

But you are trying to make a point out of sometihng that was never a point. Nobody claims that we passed on a guy who should have been No1. The claim is that we passed on somebody that should have been picked at 5. All things considered, I'M pretty sure that most people who would have wanted Michkov...would have taken Bédard, Carlsson and Fantilli ahead....and maybe even Smith.

But I keep reading that Michov was in the same realm as Bedard, so something doesn't add up

 

[JRichard]

Pretty much. Here's hoping he can be a cornerstone 22-25min/game RD for the next 8+ years putting up 40+ points.

I’ll take the under. Minutes and pts.