Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[417]

Those other teams (top 4 picks, more particularly) ended up with potential top 6/ top line Cs, the most difficult position to fill in hockey. I don’t imagine they are regretting their selections at this early stage but it still has to play out.

Well what if I opine that the Habs ended up with a potential top 2-3 right hand dman and that's also one of the most difficult positions to fill?

What makes these subjective and premature analysis about the potential of these players true for some but not others?

When did the players picked ahead become assured of reaching their potential while Reinbacher’s is not?

 

[The Great Weal]

I just want to reiterate because it seems you got things confused.

If Michkov becomes amazing, SEVERAL teams will have some explaining to do, not EXCLUSIVELY the Habs.

There was no excuse made for anyone.

I don't really give a shit about those other teams since I'm a Habs fan, and passing up on something we have failed to do more than any other team in the league is going to sting a lot more. The number of teams passing on Michkov means absolutely nothing to me. Saying other teams also did this sounds like making excuses to me, but if that wasn't what you meant, I'm not really sure why I should care about the other teams making the same mistake too.

The severity of the criticism would also differ between the teams. Some teams may already have a ton of high end forwards which softens the blow, others may have a strong history of drafting high end forwards, others may have also drafted a player that is still a top end player albeit not as good as Michkov.

When looking at the context of the Habs in this scenario, not only do they pass up on an amazing player, but they also forced themself to only draft a forward in this draft as a result which should warrant even more criticism, especially if a dman drafted in this range becomes a much better player than the forward we pick. Additionally, we have failed to draft high end forwards for decades, and we aren't able to trade/sign them as often as a lot of other teams, so that makes it harder to accept if Michkov pans out tremendously and Reinbacher doesn't.

 

[A Loyal Demidog]

Whoever says Michkov wouldn't play for Montreal and that we were not alone in snubbing him (the other team being Arizona):

According to his former agent there were two teams where he didn't want to go: aside from Arizona it also was Washington.

We really f***ed up badly.

I hope Reinbacher becomes a legit stud, because this will sting more than ANYTHING this organization's done in a long, long time.

 

[The Great Weal]

Those other teams (top 4 picks, more particularly) ended up with potential top 6/ top line Cs, the most difficult position to fill in hockey. I don’t imagine they are regretting their selections at this early stage but it still has to play out.

This is part of the context I'm talking about. If Will Smith becomes a 70 point center in the NHL while Michkov becomes an 80 point winger, they definitely shouldn't warrant as much criticism as us if Reinbacher is merely a 2nd pairing dman.

 

[Tyson]

Whoever says Michkov wouldn't play for Montreal and that we were not alone in snubbing him (the other team being Arizona):



We really f***ed up badly.

I hope Reinbacher becomes a legit stud, because this will sting more than ANYTHING this organization's done in a long, long time.

Based on what I saw in Laval he has nice upside but I am not sure he will be anything special. Granted it was only an 11 game sample. He could evolve into a top pairing minute eating stud, time will tell.

 

[OnTheRun]

This is part of the context I'm talking about. If Will Smith becomes a 70 point center in the NHL while Michkov becomes an 80 point winger, they definitely shouldn't warrant as much criticism as us if Reinbacher is merely a 2nd pairing dman.

Why not slot Reinbacher as a career AHLer while we're at it?

Like why every single f***ing players in this draft is going to reach his ceiling except Reinbacher?

 

[417]

I don't really give a shit about those other teams since I'm a Habs fan, and passing up on something we have failed to do more than any other team in the league is going to sting a lot more. The number of teams passing on Michkov means absolutely nothing to me. Saying other teams also did this sounds like making excuses to me, but if that wasn't what you meant, I'm not really sure why I should care about the other teams making the same mistake too.

I don't have to make excuses for them right now, they've done nothing wrong other than picking a player I wouldn't have chosen if I was in charge.

That doesn't make the pick inheritantly bad, doesn't matter if Michkov is now confirmed to be coming over.

The severity of the criticism would also differ between the teams. Some teams may already have a ton of high end forwards which softens the blow, others may have a strong history of drafting high end forwards, others may have also drafted a player that is still a top end player albeit not as good as Michkov.

Ahh and maybe the Habs already have some smaller skill forwards or does that not apply?

And if your retort is that Michkov is more skilled than what we have, again I ask.

Why wasn't he drafted earlier?

When looking at the context of the Habs in this scenario, not only do they pass up on an amazing player, but they also forced themself to only draft a forward in this draft as a result which should warrant even more criticism, especially if a dman drafted in this range becomes a much better player than the forward we pick. Additionally, we have failed to draft high end forwards for decades, and we aren't able to trade/sign them as often as a lot of other teams, so that makes it harder to accept if Michkov pans out tremendously and Reinbacher doesn't.

And what if the forward they end up picking is better than Michkov?

Why not slot Reinbacher as a career AHLer while we're at it?

Like why every single f***ing players in this draft is going to reach his ceiling except Reinbacher?

Cause otherwise they're not justified in their premature complaining

 

[Tyson]

Why not slot Reinbacher as a career AHLer while we're at it?

Like why every single f***ing players in this draft is going to reach his ceiling except Reinbacher?

It was a weird draft for Habs fans-
Most fans expected a scoring foward and there were a couple available.
When the Habs picked a D it shocked alot of us and also disappointed many.
The D+1 year for Reinbacher was underwhelming which also fueled the disappointments further.
Then he came to Laval and played very well. Time will tell but 6'3 210 LB RD are hard to find and he could become a solid player.

 

[Runner77]

Well what if I opine that the Habs ended up with a potential top 2-3 right hand dman and that's also one of the most difficult positions to fill?

What makes these subjective and premature analysis about the potential of these players true for some but not others?

When did the players picked ahead become assured of reaching their potential while Reinbacher’s is not?

You may opine as you wish good Sir. I did say that it still had to play out.

It’s a widely held view that a top C is the hardest position to fill in hockey — scoring is the rarest skill, not defending.

By Hughes’ own account, Reinbacher does not project as a PP threat, hence was not drafted for offence. And his offence is questionable, something that other candidates available at this year’s draft, could have provided had the Habs selected Michkov last year.

If Reinbacher has some untapped or unbeknownst offensive capabilities that he shows down the line, then good for all Habs fans.

 

[The Great Weal]

Why not slot Reinbacher as a career AHLer while we're at it?

Like why every single f***ing players in this draft is going to reach his ceiling except Reinbacher?

Notice how I said IF. Just like saying IF Reinabcher becomes the next Drew Doughty and Michkov is a Kane-like forward, yes we wouldn't be criticizing the pick. I never discussed every single player in this draft.

Ahh and maybe the Habs already have some smaller skill forwards or does that not apply?

Ahh yeah you're right. When I think of the Habs for the past 30 years, I think of them as having too many skilled forwards which is why they are the only team since 2003 to not have drafted a player to score 70 points in a season. Or does that not apply because it doesn't fit whatever narrative you are trying to spin?

And if your retort is that Michkov is more skilled than what we have, again I ask.

Why wasn't he drafted earlier?

Uhh Michkov did get drafted ahead of the smaller skill forwards we have. Caufield went 15th, Mesar went 26th, Farrell went 124th. Michkov went 7th which is earlier than these guys. I don't really give a shit about the other teams that passed up on him because I'm a Habs fan, and our context is most likely different than theirs.

And what if the forward they end up picking is better than Michkov?

And what if it doesn't? What if the dman they also passed up on because they didn't take Michkov also becomes better than Reinbacher?

Cause otherwise they're not justified in their premature complaining

Let's continue to pretend that I didn't say this:

Again, Reinbacher can definitely pan out and be more valuable than Michkov or even make us forget about Michkov

But I don't blame you, it's probably more fun purposely ignoring what I said.

 

[417]

It was a weird draft for Habs fans-
Most fans expected a scoring foward and there were a couple available.
When the Habs picked a D it shocked alot of us and also disappointed many.

Lesson to learn?

Separate your feelings from the results.

Joy or Disappointment, is not what determines the ultimate success or failure of a draft pick.

The D+1 year for Reinbacher was underwhelming which also fueled the disappointments further.
Then he came to Laval and played very well. Time will tell but 6'3 210 LB RD are hard to find and he could become a solid player.

So was Slafkovsky’s, so what?

 

[Runner77]

This is part of the context I'm talking about. If Will Smith becomes a 70 point center in the NHL while Michkov becomes an 80 point winger, they definitely shouldn't warrant as much criticism as us if Reinbacher is merely a 2nd pairing dman.

Give me the potential high scoring elite C/ forward over the projected limited offence D with that early pick, as you can mostly always find defensive minded D with a later pick in most draft years.

I wonder by how much Reinbacher beat out Michkov on the Habs BPA rankings. If little was separating them then you have to ask yourself what were they thinking in not having addressed the org’s most crying need.

Can’t wait to find out how all of these top 6 selections fare so we don’t have to argue about potential and projections.

 

[417]

You may opine as you wish good Sir. I did say that it still had to play out.

It’s a widely held view that a top C is the hardest position to fill in hockey — scoring is the rarest skill, not defending.

Yet all-purpose Dmen are an increasingly rare and valuable commodity to have.

Not saying that that's what Reinbacher will become, and also, Michkov as far as I know is not a C.

By Hughes’ own account, Reinbacher does not project as a PP threat, hence was not drafted for offence. And his offence is questionable, something that other candidates available at this year’s draft, could have provided had the Habs selected Michkov last year.

There are plenty of very valuable Dmen who aren't great offensively.

If Reinbacher has some untapped or unbeknownst offensive capabilities that he shows down the line, then good for all Habs fans.

Indeed.

 

[ZUKI]

Because that's what they do? Why did they keep Demidov in the MHL all year? Because he expressed he wanted to move away. Why did Romanovs ice time go down drastically when he announced he'd come to the NHL the next year?

Incredibly ignorant post.

that fan just asked a question. Why this " Incredibly ignorant post" from you ?

 

[417]

Ahh yeah you're right. When I think of the Habs for the past 30 years, I think of them as having too many skilled forwards which is why they are the only team since 2003 to not have drafted a player to score 70 points in a season. Or does that not apply because it doesn't fit whatever narrative you are trying to spin?

Again, why do you keep talking to me about the Habs of the past 30 years?

You're trying to suggest they're doomed to that fate for eternity?

I mean, ok, cool.

Uhh Michkov did get drafted ahead of the smaller skill forwards we have. Caufield went 15th, Mesar went 26th, Farrell went 124th. Michkov went 7th which is earlier than these guys. I don't really give a shit about the other teams that passed up on him because I'm a Habs fan, and our context is most likely different than theirs.

Hmmmm….

And what if it doesn't? What if the dman they also passed up on because they didn't take Michkov also becomes better than Reinbacher?

My point exactly, while you’re busy imagining every worse case scenario with Michkov why not Leonard? Or any other doomsday scenario you can come up with.

Why is it that Michkov is the one hill y’all decided you gotta die on?

Let's continue to pretend that I didn't say this:

But I don't blame you, it's probably more fun purposely ignoring what I said.

Not as much fun as watching this Michkov trauma play out that's for sure lol

 

[Runner77]

When I think of the Habs for the past 30 years, I think of them as having too many skilled forwards which is why they are the only team since 2003 to not have drafted a player to score 70 points in a season.

This is where not selecting Michkov was a huge mistake. If we don’t nab elite scoring talent when we have a limited chance at it, then we deserve to repeat our history of scoring dud forwards.

 

[Tyson]

Lesson to learn?

Separate your feelings from the results.

Joy or Disappointment, is not what determines the ultimate success or failure of a draft pick.



So was Slafkovsky’s, so what?

I am just making some observations right or wrong.
If you don't like what I post then f***ing hit the ignore button.
I don't play well with holier than thou condescending posts

 

[The Great Weal]

Not as much fun as watching this Michkov trauma play out that's for sure lol

I, like all Habs fans, hope Reinbacher becomes superstar player regardless of what Michkov does. On the chance that Reinbacher doesn’t become this stud dman and Michkov becomes a high end forward, management failed miserably and what other teams including that Mickey Mouse organization Arizona Coyotes did instead of drafting Michkov means absolutely nothing to me because I’m a Habs fan that cares about the Habs and acknowledge that our context is different than other teams.

 

[ZUKI]

3 teams realistically passed on him. I had him 2nd but any argument could've been made for Fantilli and Carlsson and I would've heard them. San Jose picking Smith, us Reinbacher and Arizona Simashev is totally inexcusable.

So you are telling us that it's totally inexcusable that few teams didn't pick the selection in the order you had on your draft list ?

 

[HabbyGuy]

Give me the potential high scoring elite C/ forward over the projected limited offence D with that early pick, as you can mostly always find defensive minded D with a later pick in most draft years.

I wonder by how much Reinbacher beat out Michkov on the Habs BPA rankings. If little was separating them then you have to ask yourself what were they thinking in not having addressed the org’s most crying need.

Can’t wait to find out how all of these top 6 selections fare so we don’t have to argue about potential and projections.

I keep hearing the habs didn't like Michkov, but have yet to find out why. I recall Hughes saying the interview went well with him and that he was impressed by how he handled himself.

If it was strictly the contract and or Russian factor, it turns out that isn't a problem, as it looks like he's coming earlier than anticipated.

I never understood the 3 year wait concern either, it's doubtful Reinbacher will be a full time NHL'er next season, so the 3 years things is kind of a wash.

You're well aware of how I felt Michkov was the right choice for us last year, I shouted it from the roof tops for anyone to hear, but I got over it because I do see some logic in the whole RD pick with David, and decided to give HUGO the benefit of the doubt. That said, I always felt we'll ultimately regret this decision eventually, not because Reinbacher won't be a solid contributor, but because of the talent we passed on in Michkov.

Flyers fans must be ecstatic about this news.

 

[The Great Weal]

This is where not selecting Michkov was a huge mistake. If we don’t nab elite scoring talent when we have a limited chance at it, then we deserve to repeat our history of scoring dud forwards.

I'm not ready to say it's a huge mistake as of now because it's way too early, but it's not something that we can just say "oh well, other teams also made the same mistake too".

 

[Runner77]

Yet all-purpose Dmen are an increasingly rare and valuable commodity to have.

Not saying that that's what Reinbacher will become, and also, Michkov as far as I know is not a C.

There are plenty of very valuable Dmen who aren't great offensively.

Indeed.

Why do we need a defence first D on a team that is replete with D and has had a severe lack of scoring forwards in the last 30 years, as @The Great Weal posted earlier?

Our issue has never been the selection of D — we have a lot of D redundancy in the system for a reason. Where are the potential top line scoring C/ forwards in our pipeline?

 

[417]

I, like all Habs fans, hope Reinbacher becomes superstar player regardless of what Michkov does. On the chance that Reinbacher doesn’t become this stud dman and Michkov becomes a high end forward, management failed miserably and what other teams including that Mickey Mouse organization Arizona Coyotes did instead of drafting Michkov means absolutely nothing to me because I’m a Habs fan that cares about the Habs and acknowledge that our context is different than other teams.

Yes and in the meantime, it's just safer to arbitrarily pick a player drafted later and select him as the “one who got away” before we even know that to be true.

Its like a defense mechanism for past trauma.

Trust me, I get it.

Its what @Mrb1p would call “coping”.

I am just making some observations right or wrong.
If you don't like what I post then f***ing hit the ignore button.
I don't play well with holier than thou condescending posts

Funny, I'm doing the same.

I don't have a need to put you or anyone on ignore nor do I know why you're responding with such hostility.

But ok I guess lol

 

[Goldthorpe]

I keep hearing the habs didn't like Michkov, but have yet to find out why.

There was a lot of rumors around Michkov attitude during his draft year, how he couldn't get along with his teammates, and how that's why they sent him to Sochi. I haven't followed him this year so I don't know if there's been any other talk about this.

 

[Tyson]

Yes and in the meantime, it's just safer to arbitrarily pick a player drafted later and select him as the “one who got away” before we even know that to be true.

Its like a defense mechanism for past trauma.

Trust me, I get it.

Its what @Mrb1p would call “coping”.


Funny, I'm doing the same.

I don't have a need to put you or anyone on ignore nor do I know why you're responding with such hostility.

But ok I guess lol

Your post came across condescending.