Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[JRichard]

Picture DR reading this thread about him.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Picture DR reading this thread about him.

He'd probably say "I'm a teenager and these unbalanced adults need to f***ing chill."

 

[salbutera]

I still believe that Reinbacher will be a NHL'er. For sure. Yet, no matter the 1st goal.....I'm really hesitant to think that he is an offensive d-man that will see some No1 PP. No2? Maybe. But to me, Reinbacher will be a No3-4. Solid one. A guy we will indeed like to have in the playoffs.

He'd even be fine handling Michkov 1 on 1 in the playoffs...lol

Why does it matter? Hutson is there to generate offense pts on PP.

Redenbacher likely ends up a more mobile Weber type 25+TOI 1st pairing D capable of all game situations…

How many D are capable of such?

 

[dcyhabs]

Oh, so by that reasoning, Reinbacher can become the Slafkovsky of defence? Can’t wait to see it then.

Assuming Reinbacher and Michkov were within the same tier, why opt for the player with the low offensive projection when the team has a crying need for offence? Plus, the team already has a lot of D as it is but no potential elite scoring forward in the pipeline. Just puzzling at this time but here’s hoping you’re right about Reinbacher.

The habs were near the bottom of the league in both goals for and goals against. There is a need for offensive help and also for defensive help.

The offense is weak but the D is only impressive if you consider how young they are, not that they’re good now, more that there is hope they will grow. We’ll see if Dach can stay healthy and make an impact on both sides of the ice, but there is still a lot of work to be done. Some of that work will be plugging in guys like Beck as they age in, some will be signing defensive forwards and improving the bottom six. Even so there is a need for higher end players at most positions.

 

[Mrb1p]

Picture DR reading this thread about him.

He'd probably say "Yeah Im not as good as Michkov f*** me."

Why does it matter? Hutson is there to generate offense pts on PP.

Redenbacher likely ends up a more mobile Weber type 25+TOI 1st pairing D capable of all game situations…

How many D are capable of such?

Thats lofty expectations. You expect him to be a top 3 D of his era ? Even I as his biggest fan can't say he's anything close to that.

 

[JRichard]

He'd probably say "Yeah Im not as good as Michkov f*** me."


Thats lofty expectations. You expect him to be a top 3 D of his era ? Even I as his biggest fan can't say he's anything close to that.

Then he goes to the Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith, Simashev threads and nothing is going on.

Can picture him being « surprised » to be singled out.

Nothing he can do about it. Got to show his stuff next year in Laval.

 

[Mrb1p]

Then he goes to the Fantilli, Carlsson, Smith, Simashev threads and nothing is going on.

Can picture him being « surprised » to be singled out.

Nothing he can do about it. Got to show his stuff next year in Laval.

It's only true because they have no fans. Ask Philly how they felt when they passed on Cole for York.

Fantilli and Carlsson were rightful pick, they have similar upside than Michkov. It would've been the same had we skipped either of them if they fell.

 

[JRichard]

It's only true because they have no fans. Ask Philly how they felt when they passed on Cole for York.

Fantilli and Carlsson were rightful pick, they have similar upside than Michkov. It would've been the same had we skipped either of them if they fell.

Agree on Fantilli and Carlsson.

Philly passed on Cole twice. Traded down at 11 and picked York at 14. Ended up with 2 pieces (Brink)

 

[HankyZetts]

I think what's being underappreciated here is that we are in it to try and win Stanley Cups, and Michkovs profile as a player is more Johnny gaudreau than it is Wyatt Johnston. Reinbacher is more Heiskanen than not. Hence it's easy to see how the Habs organization prioritized the top pairing Dman, in my opinion

 

[Hockeypete49]

It's only true because they have no fans. Ask Philly how they felt when they passed on Cole for York.

Fantilli and Carlsson were rightful pick, they have similar upside than Michkov. It would've been the same had we skipped either of them if they fell.

That deal also helped get Bobby Brink.

 

[Mrb1p]

Michkov coming early (if true) in my opinion, is as red flaggish as it can be.

Why in the f*** would CSKA Moscow already free him after two season where they loaned him?

Why in the f*** would they do this?

I am totally speculating but i doubt they are doing this because he is a convivial teammate.

Again, misinformed post. Was Romanov a red flag when they basically didn't play for the whole year with CSKA because he told them he was going to NA ? Was Mirosnichenko a red flag when they terminated his contract last year? Is Demidov a red flag because they buried him in the MHL because he said he wouldn't resign with SKA ? CSKA and SKA are toxic organisation ran by little men with little brains. Don't be one.

Agree on Fantilli and Carlsson.

Philly passed on Cole twice. Traded down at 11 and picked York at 14. Ended up with 2 pieces (Brink)

And that makes it even dumber.

I think what's being underappreciated here is that we are in it to try and win Stanley Cups, and Michkovs profile as a player is more Johnny gaudreau than it is Wyatt Johnston. Reinbacher is more Heiskanen than not. Hence it's easy to see how the Habs organization prioritized the top pairing Dman, in my opinion

And what is your source on this ? Love Reinbacher but he is probably not Heiskanen. Michkov could pretty much be Patrick Kane rather than Johnny Gaudreau. Very funny and pretty telling that you would use the absolute worse example of a "smallish" forward to compare the players.

For all we know, and from what I've seen, Michkov is one of the most intense/competitive players in the world.

 

[JRichard]

I think what's being underappreciated here is that we are in it to try and win Stanley Cups, and Michkovs profile as a player is more Johnny gaudreau than it is Wyatt Johnston. Reinbacher is more Heiskanen than not. Hence it's easy to see how the Habs organization prioritized the top pairing Dman, in my opinion

Easy? Not sure i follow. Gaudreau vs Johnston, Heiskanen vs ?

You saying Reinbacher will win a Cup in Mtl but MM wouldnt have?

Or you mean D over W? If so you would go D again next month if Demidov goes?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

It's only true because they have no fans. Ask Philly how they felt when they passed on Cole for York.

Fantilli and Carlsson were rightful pick, they have similar upside than Michkov. It would've been the same had we skipped either of them if they fell.

And Smith went before him and he has 70 pt potential at best. If Michkov reaches his potential it is likely 70 pts and probably a one way player. Don't need 2 small players and a small one dimensional player. Habs have enough small players.

Easy? Not sure i follow. Gaudreau vs Johnston, Heiskanen vs ?

You saying Reinbacher will win a Cup in Mtl but MM wouldnt have?

Or you mean D over W? If so you would go D again next month if Demidov goes?

It's simple. Johnston is a player you win a Cup with. Gaudreau is not.

Easy? Not sure i follow. Gaudreau vs Johnston, Heiskanen vs ?

You saying Reinbacher will win a Cup in Mtl but MM wouldnt have?

Or you mean D over W? If so you would go D again next month if Demidov goes?

It's simple. Johnston is a player you win a Cup with. Gaudreau is not.

 

[Mrb1p]

And Smith went before him and he has 70 pt potential at best. If Michkov reaches his potential it is likely 70 pts and probably a one way player. Don't need 2 small players and a small one dimensional player. Habs have enough small players.


It's simple. Johnston is a player you win a Cup with. Gaudreau is not.


It's simple. Johnston is a player you win a Cup with. Gaudreau is not.

70 points is very conservative for the best russian prospect ever. We could've just traded Caufield, anyway he doesn't seem to be any good any more. What if Michkov becomes Kane? What if he becomes Brière ? What if he becomes Kucherov ? What if he becomes Point ?

Why are you only using Gaudreau? Anyway, it's not like Gaudreau has been a "bad" playoff player with a better PPG than Johnston has now.

 

[Miller Time]

Yes ofcourse. 100 percent. It's just that this team has gone decades without a bonified offensive star, which when you think of this team's illustrious history is both incredulous and sad.

Its almost impossible to get those types without drafting them, atleast in Montreal. So when one potentially was there for the picking and passed on you can understand how this one is different for a majority of hab fans. Even if here's no guarantee he hits his vast potential.

I personally now hope he busts and am team Reinbacher all the way.

I totally get it.

Though I don't really get the certainty some have on Michkov being "that" guy.

1/2 the top 10 scorers this year were picked outside the top 5, including the top scorer who wasn't even a 1st Rd pick. Outside the can't miss elite stars, it's a crapshoot for any team to draft, develop and retain elite talent.

We've had a bad run of terrible GMs, but that issue seems well resolved. Slaf looks like "that guy", and within a few seasons we may have 1 or 2 more already in house (CC, Dach, Newhook, Roy).

Future is bright, with or without Michkov, the next decade won't look like the last one.

Reinbacher may well become the Pietrangelo or Heiskanen that eats minutes on a top contending roster... That possibility is just as, if not more likely than Michkov being the next Kucherov

 

[Paddy17]

This thread is as toxic as the Slaf theead 8 months ago. Enjoy!

 

[Mrb1p]

This thread is as toxic as the Slaf theead 8 months ago. Enjoy!

Nothing toxic about all this, Reinbacher is a great player and I love having him. It's actually HuGo's fault.

 

[HabbyGuy]

I totally get it.

Though I don't really get the certainty some have on Michkov being "that" guy.

1/2 the top 10 scorers this year were picked outside the top 5, including the top scorer who wasn't even a 1st Rd pick. Outside the can't miss elite stars, it's a crapshoot for any team to draft, develop and retain elite talent.

We've had a bad run of terrible GMs, but that issue seems well resolved. Slaf looks like "that guy", and within a few seasons we may have 1 or 2 more already in house (CC, Dach, Newhook, Roy).

Future is bright, with or without Michkov, the next decade won't look like the last one.

Reinbacher may well become the Pietrangelo or Heiskanen that eats minutes on a top contending roster... That possibility is just as, if not more likely than Michkov being the next Kucherov

In no way do I think passing on Michkov is going to sink our ship, our future is indeed bright, and we are in good hands with Hugo. I can totally see Reinbacher as a important piece to our team.

My contention was/is at the time, that Michkov was the BPA and also a need. Don't ask me where my confidence comes from other than my own feelings when watching the player play. I have alot of faith in Michkov's abilities.

Time will tell on that front.

I feel Michkov has the potential to be special, while Reinbacher's potential is more "solid' than special. Nothing wrong with that, I just prefered the higher upside.

I can't think of a team's fanbase more starved for a special forward than ours. Slaf has potential to be so, but in a different way. Montreal deserves a truly skilled forward, one that can get us out of our seats and entertain as well as win. It's why I want Demidov so much.

It's been far too long.

 

[Mrb1p]

The whole problem with the Michkov thing is two-fold,

1. The Habs have needed an offensive player since Naslund left.
2. The Habs didn't want to pick Michkov, even though they recognized that he could be this guy, because he wasn't going to come over soon enough.

Now were seeing fans start the character assassination campaign ? Hilarious.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

The whole problem with the Michkov thing is two-fold,

1. The Habs have needed an offensive player since Naslund left.
2. The Habs didn't want to pick Michkov, even though they recognized that he could be this guy, because he wasn't going to come over soon enough.

Now were seeing fans start the character assassination campaign ? Hilarious.

The character assassination campaign has been going since last year. Habs media and fans are just an arm of their PR these days.

I totally get it.

Though I don't really get the certainty some have on Michkov being "that" guy.

1/2 the top 10 scorers this year were picked outside the top 5, including the top scorer who wasn't even a 1st Rd pick. Outside the can't miss elite stars, it's a crapshoot for any team to draft, develop and retain elite talent.

We've had a bad run of terrible GMs, but that issue seems well resolved. Slaf looks like "that guy", and within a few seasons we may have 1 or 2 more already in house (CC, Dach, Newhook, Roy).

Future is bright, with or without Michkov, the next decade won't look like the last one.

Reinbacher may well become the Pietrangelo or Heiskanen that eats minutes on a top contending roster... That possibility is just as, if not more likely than Michkov being the next Kucherov

Why would the possibility be as high? Michkov has produced playing against men and has shown top-end elite skill. Reinbacher's D+1 has been Mid. Where are people getting Pietrangelo or Heiskanen from him? IMO, there are 5 D in this draft that are better prospects than him (with Yakemchuk maybe tied as the 6th), which is why we should have gone with a forward last year.

Reinbacher is an OK defenseman drafted too high in a year that was super weak for defensemen. Michkov, meanwhile, has elite talent. It's no shock people were annoyed.

And Smith went before him and he has 70 pt potential at best. If Michkov reaches his potential it is likely 70 pts and probably a one way player. Don't need 2 small players and a small one dimensional player. Habs have enough small players.


It's simple. Johnston is a player you win a Cup with. Gaudreau is not.


It's simple. Johnston is a player you win a Cup with. Gaudreau is not.

What about Michkov's insane numbers playing against men makes you think he's Gaudreau rather than Kucherov or Kane? This is using a bad example to promote a narrative. You need good D to win, but you also need gamebreaking talent if you look at the majority of SC winners in recent decades.

 

[417]

70 points is very conservative for the best russian prospect ever. We could've just traded Caufield, anyway he doesn't seem to be any good any more. What if Michkov becomes Kane? What if he becomes Brière ? What if he becomes Kucherov ? What if he becomes Point ?

Why are you only using Gaudreau? Anyway, it's not like Gaudreau has been a "bad" playoff player with a better PPG than Johnston has now.

That's heavy

 

[Runner77]

But we can’t keep repeating the narrative that Michkov was in the same stratosphere as Bedard, while simultaneously ignoring their were 3 other teams who passed on him before Habs ignored him and picked Reinbacher and another team who also passed on him.

Why did a player whose apparently in the same stratosphere as the #1 pick, last all the way to #7?

Clearly the consensus among those who were picking was that he was NOT in the same stratosphere.

If he was, he wouldn't have been available for the Habs to select.

I only answered in respect to a point you raised about Leonard only to find out that it was merely a rhetorical question to plunge us right back into the same tired arguments we’ve already both made at length.

I’ve said my piece and have no appetite to revisit who passed on the guy and who didn’t and whose perception was reality and whose wasn’t.

I hope Reinbacher pans out regardless of what the other guy does.

 

[Runner77]

The habs were near the bottom of the league in both goals for and goals against. There is a need for offensive help and also for defensive help.

The offense is weak but the D is only impressive if you consider how young they are, not that they’re good now, more that there is hope they will grow. We’ll see if Dach can stay healthy and make an impact on both sides of the ice, but there is still a lot of work to be done. Some of that work will be plugging in guys like Beck as they age in, some will be signing defensive forwards and improving the bottom six. Even so there is a need for higher end players at most positions.

True about more than one need but at least on defence, there are options. Who has top 6 potential in the pipeline (assuming Roy has made the team)? It’s a more glaring weakness.

 

[ReHabs]

Some sort of an alternative history going on in this thread where Bobrov-sr. is the key person on the SKA team

Seriously though iirc Bobrov-jr. made it clear in the post-draft interview that they weren't comfortable picking someone, who they didn't see playing in person, that high. Was fine for the Konyushkov pick though.

What's funny is Bobrov Jr could've visited Russia at any time without much issue. He probably did tbh but Michkov was not a priority for the organization. This is fair enough -- they seem to have truly preferred Reinbacher and felt he was going to be availalbe in the top5.

We'll see how it plays out but I do not buy for a moment the character assassination campaign moronic Habs fans wage against prospects. They did the same against Wright; they did it against Michkov prior to and after the draft and they'll continue do it until Michkov makes them all eat their words. It's a part of Habs fan culture.

 

[Runner77]