Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Estimated_Prophet]

That's very hard to judge, because Markov's biggest strength was IQ. I didn't have the best shot, the best foot speed, wasn't very physical, but he knew where everyone was on the ice all times, cut passing lines regularly and could pass it as well as anyone else.

Who knows how great Mailloux's hockey IQ can become with more experience? Hudson's? etc.

Markov's IQ was through the roof and Mailloux will never come close to that. This is not to say that Mailloux won't improve his IQ but it is not likely to ever surpass the average IQ of an NHL player......Markov was elite in this regard and that can not be taught, his brain is just wired differently.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Frankly, aside from Hutson, I think our whole defensive prospect pool is a bit overrated. That's why I have no trouble with us grabbing one of Yakemchuk, Buium or Dickinson at 5 OA. All of whom should be available when we draft.

I don’t think so. We may not have that number 1, but lots of 3’s and 4’s in the group. We absolutely need to pick a forward.

 

[Goalfield13]

Guhle is a 22 y/o being played like a #1 5v5. He's going to take some bumps in that position, so I am not worried. I still feel like he is going to be a quality #2.

 

[The Last Red]

Frankly, aside from Hutson, I think our whole defensive prospect pool is a bit overrated. That's why I have no trouble with us grabbing one of Yakemchuk, Buium or Dickinson at 5 OA. All of whom should be available when we draft.

We’ll be saying the same thing a year after we take another D at 5 or 6. Just draft a F at 5 or 6. There will be a “good enough” one available there.

 

[Benstheman]

Guhle is a 22 y/o being played like a #1 5v5. He's going to take some bumps in that position, so I am not worried. I still feel like he is going to be a quality #2.

Yep. He just played on his off side, with a not very good defensively Matheson, at 21 yo.

The kid will be really solid. Mark my word.

 

[The Last Red]

Yep. He just played on his off side, with a not very good defensively Matheson, at 21 yo.

The kid will be really solid. Mark my word.

I will mark your word. But he will have to learn to better protect himself on the ice.

 

[Goalfield13]

I will mark your word. But he will have to learn to better protect himself on the ice.

Learning is the whole point.

 

[Whitesnake]

I like Reinbacher. He will be a NHL d-man. But it takes a lot of imagination to find something elite about his offensive game....Can't wait to see what Billy Ryan and Krupa saw.......

 

[overlords]

I like Reinbacher. He will be a NHL d-man. But it takes a lot of imagination to find something elite about his offensive game....Can't wait to see what Billy Ryan and Krupa saw.......

He processes things very quickly for a gangly kid his age. He's a 6'3 nerd who isn't afraid to get physical. That's pretty awesome. If he develops right, he's a guy you could play 30 minutes a game and who won't make many, if any, mistakes. He can snuff out rushes, play hard in the corners, be a key piece in neutral zone transition plays as well as being more than competent shooting or continuing a cycle from the offensive blue line.

Also his nose makes me think of Guy Lapointe and that's not insignificant.

 

[JoelWarlord]

I like Reinbacher. He will be a NHL d-man. But it takes a lot of imagination to find something elite about his offensive game....Can't wait to see what Billy Ryan and Krupa saw.......

They saw strong upside on defence and in transition with solid enough offensive upside/tools that the overall package made sense. They didn't see elite offence and he wasn't drafted for elite offence.

 

[japhi]

If he becomes anything close to Dobson KH & the scouting crew...

Now's a good time to point out to all the Michkov fans & chronic impatient posters of Dobson's trajectory...

D1 - Q
D2 - NHL 34 games, 7pts
D3 - NHL 46 games, 14pts

If RB's next two seasons look like that, the board will be flooded with RBust talk & injury prone fears...

D4-5-6, Dobson missed 7 games total, & put up 2x50pts & 70 pts this year, establishing himself as a top 10, if not top 5 dman in the league

Should sticky that progression arc to every RB thread for the next few seasons lol

Absolutely amazing that his D2/D3 years in the NHL didn't ruin him. It's almost as if big talents will eventually get there, they just need time, and that time can be in the NHL or the AHL.

Conversely, some players that don't reach their ceiling sometimes just don't have what it takes.

Fans greatly overate the league a player plays in, this idea of being "rushed". The best place for a high IQ player, that has NHL size, is the NHL, unless that team doesn't have spacer, or has an inbred coach.

Montreal will have space, and has the right environment for young guys to succeed.

 

[Whitesnake]

They saw strong upside on defence and in transition with solid enough offensive upside/tools that the overall package made sense. They didn't see elite offence and he wasn't drafted for elite offence.

When you pick top 5, make sure you have an elite 2-way player. 2-way does not mean defense and center ice.

Also, Habs draft room...Krupa talks about how he's special offensively. And so good on the powerplay. And Billy Ryan says that he's HIGHLY talented offensively.

Frankly, he's no Dobson. I still with my comparison as a Jay Bouwmeester. Solid. Reliable. But not offensive. Not a No1 PP player. But surely a No1 PK player.

 

[montreal]

I like Reinbacher. He will be a NHL d-man. But it takes a lot of imagination to find something elite about his offensive game....Can't wait to see what Billy Ryan and Krupa saw.......

I think his offensive game is underrated and his defensive game overrated.

 

[Gustave]

I think his offensive game is underrated and his defensive game overrated.

Yes, he wasn’t particularly dominant defensively in Laval. I’m still discovering the player because honestly, YouTube just isn’t my bag. I prefer the setting in a NA pro game and from watching games in Laval, I can concur your statement; specifically defensively. The in zone coverage wasn’t that tight, he didn’t really shorten the available ice for the incoming forwards (like a Weber could do even on one leg and his speed totally gone) but I liked DR’s game when the puck was on his stick. Crisp passes, tape to tape and good strides with his head up high.

There’s room for him to learn in Laval, half a year should give me a better idea of who he is.

 

[Mudz]

Yes, he wasn’t particularly dominant defensively in Laval. I’m still discovering the player because honestly, YouTube just isn’t my bag. I prefer the setting in a NA pro game and from watching games in Laval, I can concur your statement; specifically defensively. The in zone coverage wasn’t that tight, he didn’t really shorten the available ice for the incoming forwards (like a Weber could do even on one leg and his speed totally gone) but I liked DR’s game when the puck was on his stick. Crisp passes, tape to tape and good strides with his head up high.

There’s room for him to learn in Laval, half a year should give me a better idea of who he is.

So you're telling me that a 19 years old playing his 4th system of the season isn't perfect defensively? Against teams playing for their lives?

You're mistaking his lack of knowledge of the system and experience with it versus skills.

His play killing abilities are almost elite levels. Like Joshua Roy

They saw strong upside on defence and in transition with solid enough offensive upside/tools that the overall package made sense. They didn't see elite offence and he wasn't drafted for elite offence.

"Strong" could be elite IMO for the transition and defence side. Made sense is an undersell tho. He makes perfect sense for the style/system MTL is playing.

 

[Gustave]

So you're telling me that a 19 years old playing his 4th system of the season isn't perfect defensively? Against teams playing for their lives?

You're mistaking his lack of knowledge of the system and experience with it versus skills.

His play killing abilities are almost elite levels. Like Joshua Roy



"Strong" could be elite IMO for the transition and defence side. Made sense is an undersell tho. He makes perfect sense for the style/system MTL is playing.

Oh, don’t get me wrong here, your point is totally fair. What I’m saying is; I can only comment on what I saw from viewings in person, and that I need MORE time to make up my mind about who he is.

He was in a totally different setting, new team new coach etc, so that’s why I need more time to declare anything. However from what I saw on those small samples then I gave my impressions, and they kinda go with the previous two posters were mentioning.

 

[dcyhabs]

Absolutely amazing that his D2/D3 years in the NHL didn't ruin him. It's almost as if big talents will eventually get there, they just need time, and that time can be in the NHL or the AHL.

Conversely, some players that don't reach their ceiling sometimes just don't have what it takes.

Fans greatly overate the league a player plays in, this idea of being "rushed". The best place for a high IQ player, that has NHL size, is the NHL, unless that team doesn't have spacer, or has an inbred coach.

Montreal will have space, and has the right environment for young guys to succeed.

I think rushing depends a lot on the situation. Look at KK, he played his first season, was pretty sheltered, and generally stuff went OK. In his second year he wasn't sheltered, he was dumped on, and his game dropped.

Playing a guy in the NHL with no pressure and a sympathetic coach is probably not going to be a problem. Putting a guy in the NHL with coaches like Therrien who seem to feel that they should try to mentally destroy a player because if he can be shaken he won't succeed can be rushing it.

Some players are tough enough and/or talented enough that coaches won't get to them. Some can take anything from opponents but are pretty vulnerable to fan or coach displeasure.

I guess that goes with the "inbred coach" comment, but I think it's more philosophy than genetics.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Absolutely amazing that his D2/D3 years in the NHL didn't ruin him. It's almost as if big talents will eventually get there, they just need time, and that time can be in the NHL or the AHL.

Conversely, some players that don't reach their ceiling sometimes just don't have what it takes.

Fans greatly overate the league a player plays in, this idea of being "rushed". The best place for a high IQ player, that has NHL size, is the NHL, unless that team doesn't have spacer, or has an inbred coach.

Montreal will have space, and has the right environment for young guys to succeed.

Worked for Slaf, surely it must work for everyone.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

That's not true at all. All I've been saying is that his overall speed characteristics are unlike someone who uses speed as an advantage. He's a fast skater in a straight line with some space.

that wasnt for you. the second paragraph was for you lol

@BehindTheTimes has never liked Guhle and has gone on record saying Harris will be a better player

 

[Whitesnake]

I think his offensive game is underrated and his defensive game overrated.

In the end, he's a big question mark either way, type of questions marks that should not have made him a top 5. But like Rockstrom said....big, agile RIGHT d-man, tough to acquire....you then pick him......He was never picked on talent. He was picked on what THEY see a rarity.

Strangely enough....this year...right d-men isn't rare anymore....we picked one d-man last year. And we don't need to pick another. Yakemchuck, Levshunov, Parekh....based on their last year analysis, those guys should be our target....and they won't. That will always be my problem with needs.

If the kid is indeed overrated defensively....we are not even talking about a top 2 here. Chances are with a top 5 pick, we got a fine No4....a rare one. But still 4.

Personnally, I think he still can be a No2. With a maximum of 40 points. A Montour, Andersson or a Sanheim. That's my evaluatoin. Right now. I reserve the right to change it...lolll

 

[JoelWarlord]

"Strong" could be elite IMO for the transition and defence side. Made sense is an undersell tho. He makes perfect sense for the style/system MTL is playing.

Oh yeah absolutely. I'm a big fan of the pick, was just saying that idk why you'd be waiting to see elite offence from him when that's not why he got picked. I do think he's a skilled offensive player but he's never going to have the kind of Hughes/Makar/Fox eye popping skill and that's OK, there are a ton of top tier Dmen who aren't flashy.

 

[TheBuriedHab]

People are really questioning Reinbacher's offense? Lol

This guy always makes the right pass just like Markov did.

 

[salbutera]

In the end, he's a big question mark either way, type of questions marks that should not have made him a top 5. But like Rockstrom said....big, agile RIGHT d-man, tough to acquire....you then pick him......He was never picked on talent. He was picked on what THEY see a rarity.

Strangely enough....this year...right d-men isn't rare anymore....we picked one d-man last year. And we don't need to pick another. Yakemchuck, Levshunov, Parekh....based on their last year analysis, those guys should be our target....and they won't. That will always be my problem with needs.

If the kid is indeed overrated defensively....we are not even talking about a top 2 here. Chances are with a top 5 pick, we got a fine No4....a rare one. But still 4.

Personnally, I think he still can be a No2. With a maximum of 40 points. A Montour, Andersson or a Sanheim. That's my evaluatoin. Right now. I reserve the right to change it...lolll

Ever considered combination of size + talent actually made him rare?

 

[WeThreeKings]

People are really questioning Reinbacher's offense? Lol

This guy always makes the right pass just like Markov did.

No Tik Tok

 

[Andrei79]

In the end, he's a big question mark either way, type of questions marks that should not have made him a top 5. But like Rockstrom said....big, agile RIGHT d-man, tough to acquire....you then pick him......He was never picked on talent. He was picked on what THEY see a rarity.

Strangely enough....this year...right d-men isn't rare anymore....we picked one d-man last year. And we don't need to pick another. Yakemchuck, Levshunov, Parekh....based on their last year analysis, those guys should be our target....and they won't. That will always be my problem with needs.

If the kid is indeed overrated defensively....we are not even talking about a top 2 here. Chances are with a top 5 pick, we got a fine No4....a rare one. But still 4.

Personnally, I think he still can be a No2. With a maximum of 40 points. A Montour, Andersson or a Sanheim. That's my evaluatoin. Right now. I reserve the right to change it...lolll

When you say that he can "still" be a No2. What in less than a year happened that changed this significantly ? He's been very good in the AHL for a 19 year old.

I'll add that RHDs are rare in the top 10. You only have to go through hockeydb to see. An outlier year doesn't change this. I don't know of any serious team that would try to make predictions on: 1. Where they end up in one year and 2. Who's going to be available in one year, to make their pick. The amount of variance behind a decision like that makes it a non-factor.