Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Rapala]

If Reinbacher was drafted by someone else last year, and say we drafted Leonard/Michkov/Dvorsky/Benson instead, would you feel comfortable trading the 5th pick this year for Reinbacher?

No worries I'll get back to you in 5 years.

 

[Michelangelo]

If Reinbacher was drafted by someone else last year, and say we drafted Leonard/Michkov/Dvorsky/Benson instead, would you feel comfortable trading the 5th pick this year for Reinbacher?

I would not

 

[WeThreeKings]

If Reinbacher was drafted by someone else last year, and say we drafted Leonard/Michkov/Dvorsky/Benson instead, would you feel comfortable trading the 5th pick this year for Reinbacher?

Yes because Reinbacher is better than the defenseman in this class from a rounded perspective and what we need in our roster.

But I would also pick Demidov ahead of all those players, Lindstrom I'd take ahead of all of them but Michkov, same with Catton and Iginla.

Reinbacher + Iginla (let's go worse case scenario) is >> Leonard + Parekh

 

[JianYang]

Markov started out putting up a lot of points and letting mediocre players deke and score on a pairing with Brisebois. He focused more on D as time went on, and got a lot of coaching. I remember stories that he was reluctant to change in ways the coaching staff wanted until he started seeing the benefits. He worked out his game.

Hutson's defensive issues are more physical. Markov wasn't huge but players overall weren't as big, either, so he wasn't at a huge disadvantage. We'll see how coachable Hutson is, how good the current habs coaches are, and whether he can deal with the size difference. He looked great on offense with the habs, but they were often hemmed in their zone when he was on, and he ended up -2 in spite of putting up points. He has a lot of time to work out his defensive game, but he's got a long way to go to be a playoff asset.

I was surprised at how good Mailloux looks. I haven't seen enough of Reinbacher to say anything about him. As a higher pick and a bigger, more responsible player, I expect he has a higher floor than the other two.

Markov was a slam dunk. There were some growing pains but some of it was cultural too coming to a newly sized rink and not knowing any English.

It took a bit of time but most people I think realized by the early 2000s that this guy was likely to be a special player, with #1 upside.

I know the Habs have a promising pipeline on defense right now, but I think even the best ones in the system fall a bit short as far as their prospects when compared to markov.

 

[Doublechin]

I think considering we have Hutson already who’s as pure a PP QB as you can get means we don’t need Reinbacher to be that huge point total guy.

That said, I do think we made a mistake going D last year and now likely going Forward this year. I think when we look back on the forwards we could have drafted last year vs the D we will pass on this year, it’ll suggest we should have done it the other way around.

No debates here, not for me at least.

I think the better outcome would have been Leonard last year which isn't something we have in our system and he'll probably be in the lineup by next spring.

By then you would just select the top RD available this year, odds are it's not Levshunov unless if we landed on the 2nd pick

Parekh at 5,6 or 7 is a definite possibility and him and Hutson running your power play would have been something else

Bottom line is, I like Reinbacher but I love Leonard

 

[HuGort]

Parekh is also scary in the defensive zone. If Hughes decides to go defence with the 5 OA pick there will be a number of much better options including: Dickinson, Buium, Levshunov and Yakemchuk. All of whom would become our best defensive prospect not named Hutson.

I know but rare do you see hands like Parekh.

Buium be hard pass for me at 5. He seemed ultra competitive in Frozen 4. Those kind usually go into to great careers. Like a Slaf looks to be on the ice when game on line. Shut down Boston defensively. Back up by better analytics than Fox his draft1. He could be great one.

Dickinson has size, hands and hockey smarts. He's going to play 6'3 220 with touch of snarl. Gives goalie protection. Can move the puck. League is going to these kind since Habs got to Finals. Get the puck out and good secondary scoring.

The big Russian I seen less of. He can skate no problem there. Yaremchuk could be a sleeper. I never seen a draft this deep in top defense man. Even '08 or '16 drafts weren't this good on defense

 

[Tyson]

the NA sample size we saw on Reinbacher seems very promising. With the amount of young depth we have at D we don't need to rush him.
He may come to camp and outright earn a spot but since we are still rebuilding we don't need to see him rushed.

 

[Andrei79]

If Reinbacher was drafted by someone else last year, and say we drafted Leonard/Michkov/Dvorsky/Benson instead, would you feel comfortable trading the 5th pick this year for Reinbacher?

The defensemen that interest me this year are LHD. The Reinbacher pick isn't related to passing on a LD for management. I wouldn't trade the fifth for those players either in any case. Especially not Dvorsky who still has a lot to prove after being so bad in the SHL

 

[salbutera]

Dear Lord, I cannot imagine the amount of shit you guys would be heaping on Larry Robinson before he "arrived".

Forget Big Bird, Lafleur would’ve been scorched earth along w Scotty for playing him on the 4th line

 

[bsl]

I envision him to be a steady presence on our blue line for a long time , hovering about 0.5ppg depending of our team and PP deployment. He's great on breakouts and he has nice size with a long stick. I dont find him very creative on the PP , his play in set plays situation are quite predictable.

I like when he activates and makes himself available in the O zone. Im not worried about him he will be useful for sure , not sure if hes going to be "elite" tho.

Serge Savard. After serge broke two legs. I’m fine with that. When serge was on the ice you could comfortably take a leak break with no worries.

 

[bsl]

Dear Lord, I cannot imagine the amount of shit you guys would be heaping on Larry Robinson before he "arrived".

Robinson piled dornhoffer through the boards in his first or second year. He arrived pretty fast.

 

[CHwest]

Robinson piled dornhoffer through the boards in his first or second year. He arrived pretty fast.

He also spent a year and a half in AHL.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Dear Lord, I cannot imagine the amount of shit you guys would be heaping on Larry Robinson before he "arrived".

I am probably one of the few here who actually saw the first game that was televised where Robinson was playing for the Canadiens. It was against Minnesota on the road (a rarity in those days of limited television coverage). You would have had to have been as blind as Mr. Magoo not to realize that Robinson was a special player. This tall imposing player was the fastest player on the ice and repeatedly carried the puck past, around and through the North Star players with ease.

I remember talking (no internet then) to my friends the next day and we all said the same thing: What the F**K was that !!!

The rest is history.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

I think considering we have Hutson already who’s as pure a PP QB as you can get means we don’t need Reinbacher to be that huge point total guy.

That said, I do think we made a mistake going D last year and now likely going Forward this year. I think when we look back on the forwards we could have drafted last year vs the D we will pass on this year, it’ll suggest we should have done it the other way around.

If we come out with a Demidov or a healthy Lindstrom we most certainly wouldn’t have made a mistake.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

If Reinbacher was drafted by someone else last year, and say we drafted Leonard/Michkov/Dvorsky/Benson instead, would you feel comfortable trading the 5th pick this year for Reinbacher?

Assuming none of these players bust, adding Lindstrom/Iginla + Reinbacher would make the habs a better team than adding Leonard + Yakemchuk/Pareikh

 

[The Last Red]

Assuming none of these players bust, adding Lindstrom/Iginla + Reinbacher would make the habs a better team than adding Leonard + Yakemchuk/Pareikh

Lindstrom, maybe. Iginla, no. Leonard is a much better prospect than Iginla.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Forget Big Bird, Lafleur would’ve been scorched earth along w Scotty for playing him on the 4th line

And to be honest, Scotty probably should’ve just put him on the top line to begin with.

But Lafleur was a different cat. He couldn’t play systems and Bowman was a systems coach.

 

[dcyhabs]

Markov was a slam dunk. There were some growing pains but some of it was cultural too coming to a newly sized rink and not knowing any English.

It took a bit of time but most people I think realized by the early 2000s that this guy was likely to be a special player, with #1 upside.

I know the Habs have a promising pipeline on defense right now, but I think even the best ones in the system fall a bit short as far as their prospects when compared to markov.

I don't think anyone had doubts about Markov. He was switching positions and he needed some coaching, but the habs never appeared to have any second thoughts about him during a time that they were pretty cavalier about dumping young D-men. He was brutal defensively in his first couple of years. His pairing with Brisebois would get deked for goals one on two by meh third line players.

Reinbacher really doesn't have that issue. We'll see about Hutson.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

If Guhle and Reinbacher are what we think they are, Mailloux won't have much ice time, but having him as a trade chip is excellent. If we think long term, we need to replace Matheson via trade for a younger stud on the left side, which is more 2 way than Matheson, so we can play Hutson for what he is good for. There is also an aspect of balancing the pairing with Guhle so that Guhle can also exploit his offence. Right now Guhle is backstopping Matheson, this needs to stop.

I’m not as high on Guhle as some. I think Mailloux has higher upside to be truthful.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

I’m not as high on Guhle as some. I think Mailloux has higher upside to be truthful.

If Guhle and Reinbacher are what we think they are, Mailloux won't have much ice time, but having him as a trade chip is excellent. If we think long term, we need to replace Matheson via trade for a younger stud on the left side, which is more 2 way than Matheson, so we can play Hutson for what he is good for. There is also an aspect of balancing the pairing with Guhle so that Guhle can also exploit his offence. Right now Guhle is backstopping Matheson, this needs to stop.

Well to be fair you've never been high on Guhle. Statistically, he's top 10 in toughest matchups in the league for a D. I have no doubt that in a few years, he'll be completely shutting down those same matchups. Reinbacher has a lot of qualities that make me believe the same. Mailloux, not as much, at least on the defensive end. He has great breakout passes though. He'll be better on transitions than Guhle, who I believe will be the least effective out of him, Mailloux, Reinbacher, and Hutson. But defensively, he probably won't be nearly as elite. This is all a moot point tho because they're probably future partners so their ice times and matchups will probably be fairly similar.

I wouldn't trade Mailloux unless you get offered a great asset. Also why would they trade for another LD if Mailloux's absence opens up a hole at RD? You'll have a Hutson-Reinbacher pairing as a great balance in the top 4 and then Guhle who needs to be put back at his natural position at LD. The only reason he's at RD is because of Matheson. He cant defend at RD as well and he needs Guhle if he's gonna be logging so much time to make up for his obvious deficiencies. There are other ways to acquire a good piece up front, which might not even be necessary if they draft a top 6 F with their high pick and Newhook develops into a good 6th forward. I mean if he played with Dach all year, he'd probably be on pace for around 60 points this year. That's good enough for a 2nd liner imo

 

[ChesterNimitz]

I’m not as high on Guhle as some. I think Mailloux has higher upside to be truthful.

Frankly, aside from Hutson, I think our whole defensive prospect pool is a bit overrated. That's why I have no trouble with us grabbing one of Yakemchuk, Buium or Dickinson at 5 OA. All of whom should be available when we draft.

 

[Tyson]

Frankly, aside from Hutson, I think our whole defensive prospect pool is a bit overrated. That's why I have no trouble with us grabbing one of Yakemchuk, Buium or Dickinson at 5 OA. All of whom should be available when we draft.

Interesting take for sure. I am not as high on Guhle as many are. I think he is going to be one of those injury prone players, I really hope I am wrong. I do hold out hope that Reinbacher and Mailloux develop into legitimate top paring D's.

 

[SOLR]

Well to be fair you've never been high on Guhle. Statistically, he's top 10 in toughest matchups in the league for a D. I have no doubt that in a few years, he'll be completely shutting down those same matchups. Reinbacher has a lot of qualities that make me believe the same. Mailloux, not as much, at least on the defensive end. He has great breakout passes though. He'll be better on transitions than Guhle, who I believe will be the least effective out of him, Mailloux, Reinbacher, and Hutson. But defensively, he probably won't be nearly as elite. This is all a moot point tho because they're probably future partners so their ice times and matchups will probably be fairly similar.

I wouldn't trade Mailloux unless you get offered a great asset. Also why would they trade for another LD if Mailloux's absence opens up a hole at RD? You'll have a Hutson-Reinbacher pairing as a great balance in the top 4 and then Guhle who needs to be put back at his natural position at LD. The only reason he's at RD is because of Matheson. He cant defend at RD as well and he needs Guhle if he's gonna be logging so much time to make up for his obvious deficiencies. There are other ways to acquire a good piece up front, which might not even be necessary if they draft a top 6 F with their high pick and Newhook develops into a good 6th forward. I mean if he played with Dach all year, he'd probably be on pace for around 60 points this year. That's good enough for a 2nd liner imo

That's not true at all. All I've been saying is that his overall speed characteristics are unlike someone who uses speed as an advantage. He's a fast skater in a straight line with some space.

 

[MasterD]

Interesting take for sure. I am not as high on Guhle as many are. I think he is going to be one of those injury prone players, I really hope I am wrong. I do hold out hope that Reinbacher and Mailloux develop into legitimate top paring D's.

I agree. Guhle has great potential, but he seems to be built out of porcelain.

I'm not throwing the towel on him, but for the right offer I'd be very open to trade him.

 

[MasterD]

Markov was a slam dunk. There were some growing pains but some of it was cultural too coming to a newly sized rink and not knowing any English.

It took a bit of time but most people I think realized by the early 2000s that this guy was likely to be a special player, with #1 upside.

I know the Habs have a promising pipeline on defense right now, but I think even the best ones in the system fall a bit short as far as their prospects when compared to markov.

That's very hard to judge, because Markov's biggest strength was IQ. I didn't have the best shot, the best foot speed, wasn't very physical, but he knew where everyone was on the ice all times, cut passing lines regularly and could pass it as well as anyone else.

Who knows how great Mailloux's hockey IQ can become with more experience? Hudson's? etc.