Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Hinterland]

I've noticed you talking about stress and difficulty adjusting...

You do understand were talking about a pro hockey player who was picked 5th overall ?

These are what essentially amount to non factors. He won't be another body for Laval either. He'll be treated as a premium prospect like Xhekaj and Mailloux have been.

Next season yes. But until July Reinbacher has to work ~20h per week and attend classes for ~2h per week. Probably a bit more. He has to prepare for classes and exams as well. That's easily 30h per week gone already. And not all of those 30 hours are flexible...which...when he's in a different time zone is gonna cause problems. So it's less a matter of stress than pure lack of time.

I'm sure Coaches would want to treat Reinbacher well but it would be very difficult to properly use a player joining the team this late and unable to attend many, if not most meetings and practices due to other commitments.

That's why it's gonna be important to determine whether, and if so how this makes sense for everybody involved.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I would say 52 games of regular season in Swiss pro league is much more physically demanding than 68 games of OHL. You are battling every game against elite adult athletes.
Why do you think CHLers struggle when they turn pro in AHL? You can look at Kidney and Davidson in Laval. Both were dominant in CHL last year, but none of them would be able to handle 1 line minutes full season in Laval.

The point is that he has not and will not play 52 games and top CHLers can end up playing over 100 games if they end up in the WJC's as well as go deep in the CHL playoffs and potentially play in the Memorial Cup. The CHL is also much more physical than Euro leagues where there is a ton of space and not much hitting. The North American arenas and play-style results in a far more taxing experience than Euro hockey provides. The Swiss league is full of tiny players so I wouldn't get too carried away with the "adult" aspect of it.

Don't get me wrong, the Swiss league is a better league and the players are faster and stronger but it is definitely far less physical than the CHL.

 

[Egresch]

Don't get me wrong, the Swiss league is a better league and the players are faster and stronger but it is definitely far less physical than the CHL.

You misunderstood my point. I am not talking about physical = hitting. As yo said, players are faster and stronger, so it is more "physically demanding" (maybe there is different English expression, but I mean exhausting) to play against them.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

You misunderstood my point. I am not talking about physical = hitting. As yo said, players are faster and stronger, so it is more "physically demanding" (maybe there is different English expression, but I mean exhausting) to play against them.

Having played hockey my entire life I can assure you that physical hockey takes a much greater toll on your body than having to play fast. Dmen especially who rarely have to skate that hard are much more affected by the physicality of a game.

 

[Redux91]

Next season yes. But until July Reinbacher has to work ~20h per week and attend classes for ~2h per week. Probably a bit more. He has to prepare for classes and exams as well. That's easily 30h per week gone already. And not all of those 30 hours are flexible...which...when he's in a different time zone is gonna cause problems. So it's less a matter of stress than pure lack of time.

I'm sure Coaches would want to treat Reinbacher well but it would be very difficult to properly use a player joining the team this late and unable to attend many, if not most meetings and practices due to other commitments.

That's why it's gonna be important to determine whether, and if so how this makes sense for everybody involved.

Lol I'm sorry..
'Has to work' 20 hrs a week until July...?
HAS to work..??

First off , I don't know how you have that information handy but I'm impressed you stumbled onto his palm pilot

But I don't think his part time job that he somehow HAS to work at will get in the way of his NHL dream....
It's not like he didn't get 95 000$ for signing his contract in October btw...

You make it sound like he would do ANYthing for this boss of his he probably won't remember his name in 10 years...

As for the schooling... again... you make it sound like he is the only guy out in our entire system who goes to school?

 

[Deleted member 257557]

Next season yes. But until July Reinbacher has to work ~20h per week and attend classes for ~2h per week. Probably a bit more. He has to prepare for classes and exams as well. That's easily 30h per week gone already. And not all of those 30 hours are flexible...which...when he's in a different time zone is gonna cause problems. So it's less a matter of stress than pure lack of time.

I'm sure Coaches would want to treat Reinbacher well but it would be very difficult to properly use a player joining the team this late and unable to attend many, if not most meetings and practices due to other commitments.

That's why it's gonna be important to determine whether, and if so how this makes sense for everybody involved.

Never heard of a hockey player not reporting to their team because of another non-hockey job, this is interesting? Part of getting a diploma like a stage?

 

[Hinterland]

The point is that he has not and will not play 52 games and top CHLers can end up playing over 100 games if they end up in the WJC's as well as go deep in the CHL playoffs and potentially play in the Memorial Cup. The CHL is also much more physical than Euro leagues where there is a ton of space and not much hitting. The North American arenas and play-style results in a far more taxing experience than Euro hockey provides. The Swiss league is full of tiny players so I wouldn't get too carried away with the "adult" aspect of it.

Don't get me wrong, the Swiss league is a better league and the players are faster and stronger but it is definitely far less physical than the CHL.

That is not true. Swiss League is way more physical than CHL. According to EP, the OHL's heaviest team, the Flint Firebirds, would be very much middle of the pack in the Swiss League in terms of average weight. They'd barely crack 12th place (of 16) in the National League which is the league Reinbacher plays in. Also, we can't really compare boys and men when it comes to strength. Gotta grow into your body first, put the hours in working on body strength.

When Brennan Othmann and Mason McTavish moved to Switzerland to play SL one of the things they noted was how tough it is to play vs men. Yes, the wider European ice does somewhat limit board play but your opponents are still bigger and stronger. Brennan Othmann in particular was struggling with this quite a bit. He's a physical player, likes to chase the big hits. In the OHL that was working beatifully but in Switzerland he was struggling a lot when suddenly facing stronger opponents...which led to a lot of frustration and penalty minutes. Ultimately I think he still learned a lot though.

Where SL and NL are much easier than the CHL is, as you mentioned, the schedule. There aren't just less games, there are also no road trips in Switzerland. Players get to sleep at home in their own proper bed every night of the year if they wish to do so.

 

[Sorinth]

Lol I'm sorry..
'Has to work' 20 hrs a week until July...?
HAS to work..??

First off , I don't know how you have that information handy but I'm impressed you stumbled onto his palm pilot

But I don't think his part time job that he somehow HAS to work at will get in the way of his NHL dream....
It's not like he didn't get 95 000$ for signing his contract in October btw...

You make it sound like he would do ANYthing for this boss of his he probably won't remember his name in 10 years...

As for the schooling... again... you make it sound like he is the only guy out in our entire system who goes to school?

What you don't remember Xhekaj missing games because he had to work his Costco shift

 

[Hinterland]

Lol I'm sorry..
'Has to work' 20 hrs a week until July...?
HAS to work..??

First off , I don't know how you have that information handy but I'm impressed you stumbled onto his palm pilot

But I don't think his part time job that he somehow HAS to work at will get in the way of his NHL dream....
It's not like he didn't get 95 000$ for signing his contract in October btw...

You make it sound like he would do ANYthing for this boss of his he probably won't remember his name in 10 years...

As for the schooling... again... you make it sound like he is the only guy out in our entire system who goes to school?

The internship is part of his school. He's not doing it for the money but to get his degree. You can't do this school without doing an internship.

Of course prospects go to school. They don't usually go to school or work though while they're on an AHL or NHL team. Which is the difference here.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I don't see any reason for the "big rush" to get him over here. He'll either be very good . . . or not. A month in the AHL now is not going to make a difference long term.

Big rush? He was in Europe all year. So there has been no rush with him.

Also, him going to Laval means he will be here and getting his feet wet in pro hockey in North America and a step closer to the NHL.

I don't think that is hard to understand.

 

[Rapala]

Lol I'm sorry..
'Has to work' 20 hrs a week until July...?
HAS to work..??

First off , I don't know how you have that information handy but I'm impressed you stumbled onto his palm pilot

But I don't think his part time job that he somehow HAS to work at will get in the way of his NHL dream....
It's not like he didn't get 95 000$ for signing his contract in October btw...

You make it sound like he would do ANYthing for this boss of his he probably won't remember his name in 10 years...

As for the schooling... again... you make it sound like he is the only guy out in our entire system who goes to school?

Yeah it's ridiculous to think schooling and a part time job would take precedence over his current contract situation.
If the Habs wanted him in Laval in September that is exactly where he would have been.
Anyone who thinks differently doesn't really know how it works.
If his schooling and his part time head hunting is that important to him they will find ways to make it happen after the season ends.
Geez it's not like we don't have resources on this side of the pond.

 

[Hinterland]

Never heard of a hockey player not reporting to their team because of another non-hockey job, this is interesting? Part of getting a diploma like a stage?

Exactly.

I'm not saying that he's not gonna report. I'm sure he wants to play and he's got the option to work remotely. However, it would be difficult to do so while being on an NHL or AHL roster. Even in Switzerland, on a much lighter schedule and with almost zero travelling involved, he was forced to skip many, if not most practices and team meetings.

 

[Hinterland]

Yeah it's ridiculous to think schooling and a part time job would take precedence over his current contract situation.
If the Habs wanted him in Laval in September that is exactly where he would have been.
Anyone who thinks differently doesn't really know how it works.
If his schooling and his part time head hunting is that important to him they will find ways to make it happen after the season ends.
Geez it's not like we don't have resources on this side of the pond.

I don't think there's any wiggle room. Neither work nor classes are optional. They're a must if you want the degree. Those internships are usually pretty flexible but you gotta work the required hours in order to get admission to the exams. The internship is also a part of the exams.

The only option would be to skip the exams and write them next year. That request would probably be granted but I don't see a reason why this would make sense for Reinbacher. He'll just put in the hours and be done, able to focus on hockey by August.

 

[Levard]

Exactly.

I'm not saying that he's not gonna report. I'm sure he wants to play and he's got the option to work remotely. However, it would be difficult to do so while being on an NHL or AHL roster. Even in Switzerland, on a much lighter schedule and with almost zero travelling involved, he was forced to skip many, if not most practices and team meetings.

IM fascinated you seem to be the Reinbacher expert where do you get all this info..I like it..

He is a 5th overall pick for the Montreal Canadiens .. feels like we have to remind him.

Just getting impatient lol but I don't like how he's been handled and the year he had.

 

[Hinterland]

IM fascinated you seem to be the Reinbacher expert where do you get all this info..I like it..

He is a 5th overall pick for the Montreal Canadiens .. feels like we have to remind him.

Just getting impatient lol but I don't like how he's been handled and the year he had.

Well, I'm Swiss born so I know a thing or two about Swiss schools and ice hockey (though I must admit that I'm no longer regularly watching the pro leagues) and I do have certain sources. Reinbacher's school is actually pretty popular in Switzerland among prospects of all sports but hockey players in particular. Their program is pretty well known.

 

[Rapala]

I don't think there's any wiggle room. Neither work nor classes are optional. They're a must if you want the degree. Those internships are usually pretty flexible but you gotta work the required hours in order to get admission to the exams. The internship is also a part of the exams.

The only option would be to skip the exams and write them next year. That request would probably be granted but I don't see a reason why this would make sense for Reinbacher. He'll just put in the hours and be done, able to focus on hockey by August.

Maybe because he's a Professional Hockey Player drafted 5th over all?

 

[Adam Michaels]

Maybe because he's a Professional Hockey Player drafted 5th over all?

I imagine that if Habs want to bring Reinbacher over as soon as he becomes available, it means everything is okay regarding his school and his "internship."

 

[Hinterland]

Maybe because he's a Professional Hockey Player drafted 5th over all?

And what would be the advantage of finishing school next year? I don't see it. It would just impact next season rather than the small rest of this one. I don't think that would be any better. Also, he'd most certainly have to repeat the entire semester. Doesn't sound like a good plan to me. The only other option would be to quit but quitting after more than 3,5 of 4 years sounds like a poor plan as well.

 

[Andrei79]

And what would be the advantage of finishing school next year? I don't see it. It would just impact next season rather than the small rest of this one. I don't think that would be any better. Also, he'd most certainly have to repeat the entire semester. Doesn't sound like a good plan to me. The only other option would be to quit but quitting after more than 3,5 of 4 years sounds like a poor plan as well.

Do you have a link to the fact he missed a ton of practice ? There was an Athletic article that seemed to imply his schedule left him plenty of time for everything. And another which said his classes were on Friday. We have an NFl athlete from Quebec who managed to do med school while being one of the best in the NFL and didn't miss a single responsibility associated with being a pro athlete.

 

[Hinterland]

Do you have a link to the fact he missed a ton of practice ? There was an Athletic article that seemed to imply his schedule left him plenty of time for everything. And another which said his classes were on Friday. We have an NFl athlete from Quebec who managed to do med school while being one of the best in the NFL and didn't miss a single responsibility associated with being a pro athlete.

I do not. Like I said, I'm Swiss born and have certain sources and connections. The Athletic is a fraud anyway. I'd be careful. Ahead of the draft they claimed Reinbacher would be mostly just getting secondary assists when the exact opposite was the case.

Only thing I read on the matter was an article talking about his return to Kloten. He then went directly to work, skipping practice. I think I even posted that one here though I couldn't tell for sure. I know for a fact that he skipped many more, sometimes playing mostly games. Like I said I don't know any details though or the exact extent over the entire season. His internship is very flexible and designed for athletes but you can't work over 20h a week and attend every practice, every meeting and play all games of a pro hockey team. That's not doable in Switzerland and even less so in North America.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Do you have a link to the fact he missed a ton of practice ? There was an Athletic article that seemed to imply his schedule left him plenty of time for everything. And another which said his classes were on Friday. We have an NFl athlete from Quebec who managed to do med school while being one of the best in the NFL and didn't miss a single responsibility associated with being a pro athlete.

He's not the first and won't be the last who has to balance being a pro athlete and school.

Also, Thibaud Chatel, who is a National League insider, brought up the scenario of the earliest Reinbacher can come to NA, which would be March 10th. He wouldn't do that if he knew that David still has to finish school followed by an internship.

 

[Andrei79]

I do not. Like I said, I'm Swiss born and have certain sources and connections. The Athletic is a fraud anyway. I'd be careful. Ahead of the draft they claimed Reinbacher would be mostly just getting secondary assists when the exact opposite was the case.

Only thing I read on the matter was an article talking about his return to Kloten. He then went directly to work, skipping practice. I think I even posted that one here though I couldn't tell for sure. I know for a fact that he skipped many more, sometimes playing mostly games. Like I said I don't know any details though or the exact extent over the entire season.

I'm not a fan of Basu, but no, he's not a fraud. He went to Kloten to meet Reinbacher. I'm Montreal born and have no connections to Suzuki. A 5th overall missing a to of practices just wouldn't fly in any organization and it would be very surprising seeing as a lot of sports pundits here were keeping tabs on him and within Klotens organization. Why even go to that Zurich sports school when it actively hinders your development ? I won't lie, your story sounds like BS.

 

[Hinterland]

He's not the first and won't be the last who has to balance being a pro athlete and school.

Also, Thibaud Chatel, who is a National League insider, brought up the scenario of the earliest Reinbacher can come to NA, which would be March 10th. He wouldn't do that if he knew that David still has to finish school followed by an internship.

It's not followed by. It's both at the same time. First two years were all school. 3rd and 4th year is an internship equal to a 50% job and half a day of classes per week.

Semester finishes 12 July. This is public information though. Not a secret.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I do not. Like I said, I'm Swiss born and have certain sources and connections. The Athletic is a fraud anyway. I'd be careful. Ahead of the draft they claimed Reinbacher would be mostly just getting secondary assists when the exact opposite was the case.

Only thing I read on the matter was an article talking about his return to Kloten. He then went directly to work, skipping practice. I think I even posted that one here though I couldn't tell for sure. I know for a fact that he skipped many more, sometimes playing mostly games. Like I said I don't know any details though or the exact extent over the entire season. His internship is very flexible and designed for athletes but you can't work over 20h a week and attend every practice, every meeting and play all games of a pro hockey team. That's not doable in Switzerland and even less so in North America.

I don't know where you saw he missed practices. Because I posted an article in this thread not long ago. And in that article, the reporter interviewed David. And Reinbacher said that on non-game days, he would practice with his team and then go back for a second practice later on his own working with a skills coach.

 

[Hinterland]

I'm not a fan of Basu, but no, he's not a fraud. He went to Kloten to meet Reinbacher. I'm Montreal born and have no connections to Suzuki. A 5th overall missing a to of practices just wouldn't fly in any organization and it would be very surprising seeing as a lot of sports pundits here were keeping tabs on him and within Klotens organization. Why even go to that Zurich sports school when it actively hinders your development ? I won't lie, your story sounds like BS.

You think college students are practising like pro's? Not a chance. So why NHL teams are still drafting college students?

Any school or college is gonna hinder your developmen...at least short term. Not sure it matters in the long run but short term there's a prize you gotta pay if you want some kind of degree. It's still wise to do it in case hockey doesn't work out, and be it just for health reasons. A degree can also be useful after or even during your playing career.

Reinbacher doing this school is public information. So is their model. So which part is supposed to be bullshit? Feel free to look it up yourself:

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