Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[JRichard]

Yes and no. The ceiling of Michkov is pretty high. But the risk something fail with Mich is so high. At the end, Rein is a safe pick and was projected to be gone soon around 5 or 6. At 7 he was gone 100% sure. The picture of perfect duos in D makes me dream as much as a good forward or even more. If Reinbacher become the player we dream of, retrospectly that was a good pick. Having a great forward is very helpfull, as long as he become the player expected. A lot of promising prospect never make it. This year after Bedard or after #3, it wasn't that much a good year with forwards.

Odd post.
what is the so high risk something fails with Michkov besides the 3 year wait? You think Russians will not be allowed to play in NHL anymore?

how about: Having a great DMAN is very helpful, as long as he becomes the player expected. A lot of promising prospects never make it.

 

[ReHabs]

What is his upside? Is he in the calibre of Jiricek or Nemec?

A very good question. I looked through looking their pre-draft reports (post-draft is meaningless) over summer because I had the same query, based on the reports the answer is no. Nemec especially had a lot more consistent praise and the rankings reflected it.

I think Reinbacher coming from a lesser league worked against his draft rank big time because he really did smoke the league (relatively speaking). There are criticisms for his game that are less pronounced with Nemec and Jiricek — whether scouts and analysts were more forgiving of them two because of their more typical background, I dunno.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Odd post.
what is the so high risk something fails with Michkov besides the 3 year wait? You think Russians will not be allowed to play in NHL anymore?

how about: Having a great DMAN is very helpful, as long as he becomes the player expected. A lot of promising prospects never make it.

Many scouts and management would say Reinbacher is less risky. The expected ceiling of Michkov, not gone at 4, there's a signal there. Not even the Yotes took him. He's tagged risky player around nhl teams. Now go figure their reasons.

What I meant is more nhl teams were predicting Reinbacher would reach his potential, more chances than other prospects. It's not really my opinion but what the scouts said after the draft or the reading of this after hindsight.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Odd post.
what is the so high risk something fails with Michkov besides the 3 year wait? You think Russians will not be allowed to play in NHL anymore?

how about: Having a great DMAN is very helpful, as long as he becomes the player expected. A lot of promising prospects never make it.

There are other risks with Michkov as he could be a contractual nightmare, locker room cancer, primadonna/coach killer. Hughes and Gorton rightfully put a lot of stock into culture and he may have been considered too much of a risk. He may turn out to be a great kid but there is no doubt that there was plenty of smoke about attitude issues and Bobrov would know if that is true or not so I have no choice but to side with their decision here.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

A very good question. I looked through looking their pre-draft reports (post-draft is meaningless) over summer because I had the same query, based on the reports the answer is no. Nemec especially had a lot more consistent praise and the rankings reflected it.

I think Reinbacher coming from a lesser league worked against his draft rank big time because he really did smoke the league (relatively speaking). There are criticisms for his game that are less pronounced with Nemec and Jiricek — whether scouts and analysts were more forgiving of them two because of their more typical background, I dunno.

I definitely preferred Nemec, Jiricek, Mintyukov and Korchinski over Reinbacher in their respective draft years as I just don't see the same level of hands/puck skill with Reinbacher. That being said, even though I still prefer those four I would not rule out Reinbacher ending up as the best of the bunch as Dmen typically take longer than forwards to reach their potential and each of these players has plenty of runway and are not even close to being finished products. I just wouldn't bet on him becoming better than any of those four.

 

[JRichard]

Many scouts and management would say Reinbacher is less risky. The expected ceiling of Michkov, not gone at 4, there's a signal there. Not even the Yotes took him. He's tagged risky player around nhl teams. Now go figure their reasons.

What I meant is more nhl teams were predicting Reinbacher would reach his potential, more chances than other prospects. It's not really my opinion but what the scouts said after the draft or the reading of this after hindsight.

Top 4 forwards were all first-class prospects. Nothing wrong there.
Doesnt say anything about Michkov. Signal???

The Yotes should have taken him at 5 instead of Simashev. Pretty obvious take, even for Yotes fans!

 

[ReHabs]

There are other risks with Michkov as he could be a contractual nightmare, locker room cancer, primadonna/coach killer. Hughes and Gorton rightfully put a lot of stock into culture and he may have been considered too much of a risk. He may turn out to be a great kid but there is no doubt that there was plenty of smoke about attitude issues and Bobrov would know if that is true or not so I have no choice but to side with their decision here.

I made peace with the Michkov snub on account of known unknowns such as the intangibles to which you refer.

Let’s hope the Habs scouted well and their unanimous pick wasn’t just an echo chamber.

 

[JRichard]

There are other risks with Michkov as he could be a contractual nightmare, locker room cancer, primadonna/coach killer. Hughes and Gorton rightfully put a lot of stock into culture and he may have been considered too much of a risk. He may turn out to be a great kid but there is no doubt that there was plenty of smoke about attitude issues and Bobrov would know if that is true or not so I have no choice but to side with their decision here.

Yikes. End of the world type i see. No choice.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Top 4 forwards were all first-class prospects. Nothing wrong there.
Doesnt say anything about Michkov. Signal???

The Yotes should have taken him at 5 instead of Simashev. Pretty obvious take, even for Yotes fans!

There is nothing obvious about that assertion.

How many times have you interviewed these players? How many times have you watched them play live? How many insiders/contacts do you have that have actually worked with these players? You, like anyone else are entitled to your opinion but you should remember that you only have a fraction of the data that NHL teams and their scouting staffs have on these players. Any of our preferences that we may fight tooth and nail for on these boards are not based on nearly enough to make an adequately informed opinion. Claiming that your take is/was the "obvious" correct path to take is extremely arrogant and far more dependant on blind luck than the professionals with the required data to actual reach an informed decision.

You may very well be correct, but if you are don't confuse this small victory with you having "out scouted" anyone.

Yikes. End of the world type i see. No choice.

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[HuGort]

There are other risks with Michkov as he could be a contractual nightmare, locker room cancer, primadonna/coach killer. Hughes and Gorton rightfully put a lot of stock into culture and he may have been considered too much of a risk. He may turn out to be a great kid but there is no doubt that there was plenty of smoke about attitude issues and Bobrov would know if that is true or not so I have no choice but to side with their decision here.

Father was murdered, I imagine it was stressful for him. Not really fair to judge Michkov attitude

 

[MTL Dirty Birdy]

Yeah I don't think he is at the same calibre as those two for sure.

Watching the WJC last year, DR actually outshone those guys on a horrendous team. The kid will be a stud

 

[Guess]

I would have much rather had Jiricek/Nemec + Michkov than our picks, especially with next year's draft being D heavy and our need for goal scoring top 6 players.

Hopefully I'm proven wrong!

 

[ReHabs]

Father was murdered, I imagine it was stressful for him. Not really fair to judge Michkov attitude

His father was not murdered. There is no investigation, no accusation, no speculation, no open case whatsoever. It’s so irresponsible to keep repeating this.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

His game is more suited for a smaller ice surface IMO, so excited for when he comes over

Trouble with putting him in the Nemec/Jiricek tier is they both had great D+1s, and it is hard to get a read on Reinbacher's growth

 

[ginomini]

A very good question. I looked through looking their pre-draft reports (post-draft is meaningless) over summer because I had the same query, based on the reports the answer is no. Nemec especially had a lot more consistent praise and the rankings reflected it.

I think Reinbacher coming from a lesser league worked against his draft rank big time because he really did smoke the league (relatively speaking). There are criticisms for his game that are less pronounced with Nemec and Jiricek — whether scouts and analysts were more forgiving of them two because of their more typical background, I dunno.

Not sure I understand the "lesser league" because the swiss league is for sure a step above the czech and especially the slovak league

 

[DAChampion]

Odd post.
what is the so high risk something fails with Michkov besides the 3 year wait? You think Russians will not be allowed to play in NHL anymore?

The conflict between NATO and Russia will get worse from here.

 

[JRichard]

The conflict between NATO and Russia will get worse from here.

But they drafted Simashev instead. Great.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I would have much rather had Jiricek/Nemec + Michkov than our picks, especially with next year's draft being D heavy and our need for goal scoring top 6 players.

Hopefully I'm proven wrong!

For me, the forward I wanted was Leonard before Michkov.

But I wasn't a no-Michkov guy. I wouldn't have minded if they took him.

But I'm also excited for Reinbacher.

 

[JRichard]

There is nothing obvious about that assertion.

How many times have you interviewed these players? How many times have you watched them play live? How many insiders/contacts do you have that have actually worked with these players? You, like anyone else are entitled to your opinion but you should remember that you only have a fraction of the data that NHL teams and their scouting staffs have on these players. Any of our preferences that we may fight tooth and nail for on these boards are not based on nearly enough to make an adequately informed opinion. Claiming that your take is/was the "obvious" correct path to take is extremely arrogant and far more dependant on blind luck than the professionals with the required data to actual reach an informed decision.

You may very well be correct, but if you are don't confuse this small victory with you having "out scouted" anyone.



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Just like getting takes from selected scouts is. Unless i’m talking to a pro scout, your 3 questions are waste of time.

I didnt outscout anyone, not sure where you get that. Was pretty unanimous right there at the draft. Michkov’s year does nothing to back from that fact. The guy misses a couple of games for illness and the docs in here call for life-threatening career-ending virus. Yet nobody is worried about Simashev. Should give you a clue.

 

[dcyhabs]

The conflict between NATO and Russia will get worse from here.

If Ukraine goes Russia will have an army they need to use so all the non-NATO countries will go.

edit: well, the ex-SSRs in the area, not, say, all of Africa or whatever.

 

[HankyZetts]

Watching the WJC last year, DR actually outshone those guys on a horrendous team. The kid will be a stud

Exactly. I 100% didn't want the Habs to draft him at that point in time but those WJCs showed me he was an elite talent worthy of a top pick.

I was hoping for michkov all the way but I understand the direction and I am on board. Get the elite defense/transition going and the possession/scoring will follow.

 

[RabbleMasterBlaster]

As we've clearly seen from our shit d core, unless you're Crosby or McJesus:

Great D >>> Great forward

This is my humble opinion but having a really good, mobile and high IQ D is always going to be better than having the same at forward.

It's obviously better to have both, but if having to choose, I would choose the D.

The offense is usually driven by a good solid Outlet pass, PPs are run by a QD and breaking up plays are also usually done by the D.

Build your team from the back end and the rest will work itself out.

It appears current management are seeing the same things so hopefully we will see it come to fruition.

Now it's just a matter of not having the most man games lost in the league...

 

[Goldenhands]

Watching the WJC last year, DR actually outshone those guys on a horrendous team. The kid will be a stud

And he was sick all tournament long, was bed resting between games.

 

[Goldenhands]

What is his upside? Is he in the calibre of Jiricek or Nemec?

He is in the mold of a Dobson, Jiricek, Seider.

 

[KevSkillz4]

What is his upside? Is he in the calibre of Jiricek or Nemec?

Yes 100%, he is the same calibre of both.

But sometimes I see a Miro Heiskanen prototype, a two-way beast. I think his offensive ability is very very underrated!