Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Nedved]

We need proof

I found this photo. probably photoshopped.

 

[dcyhabs]

Marner have nhl stats, Michkov have none. It would be good for Michkov to be 90% of Marner.
Marner goes (sometimes) in nhl corners, he plays vs opposition bigger guys than him.

Marner has regular season stats. The Leafs have been going with analytics data that counts mainly available data, that is to say regular season data. Unfortunately the NHL playoffs are very different from the regular season. Players wear skates in both but there is not much resemblance outside of that.

Lots of players, like Marner, look really good most of the time and only look weak a few games a year. The stats might be a little different if they were on a team that actually won a few series, but, even then, the number of games does not compare.

Playoffs need to be considered separately, and that means insufficient data in a lotvof cases.

 

[Kaladin]

No, it's really not, because we're talking about public comments, not what actually happened behind the scenes. I am highly doubtful that there was absolutely nobody at all advocating to pick Michkov (or even for Leonard, Dvorsky, etc. for that matter) at 5, but our fanbase has been losing their minds about this pick for 3 days now. Why on earth would the FO start talking about being divided and having a significant contingent that wanted Michkov right now? They didn't pick Michkov, they're saying Reinbacher was our guy, and they're trying to move on from this entire stupid saga.

At the end of the day it is clear that teams did not agree with this generational billing or the idea that the talent was so overwhelming that you can't pass on him, and/or they were more concerned about risk factors than the internet was. Once Bedard was off the board, five teams chose other players instead of Michkov. If the NHL consensus was as strong on this player as the HFboards and Habs twitter consensus is, Grier would have been sprinting to the podium to pick him at 4th, but instead he took Will Smith who has virtually all the same on-ice warts as Michkov and most likely a lower ceiling. NHL teams aren't infallible but they're not so stupid that they pass on a guy they assess as a true generational talent for Will f***ing Smith.

If you adjust your projection on this player from "generational talent" to "first-line star talent" the way this whole saga unfolded makes a ton more sense. The Flyers were thrilled to get their (more talented) equivalent to Caufield to start building a new core/top 6. Montreal just gave Caufield 8 years and didn't want to lock in a second one-dimensional small winger (no, Newhook isn't the same thing, he's bigger and a better two-way guy and did not cost a 5th overall pick), so they took the big horse on RD. The Coyotes presumably were told he wouldn't sign there (We have pretty solid indications from Friedman that Michkov was trying to pick his spot), so they took a home run swing on a D given their deep forward pool. The Sharks have been bad for 2-3 years and basically only had Mukhamadullin and Eklund in the system, so they took a guy they hope will become their future 1C and passed on the contract headaches.

For all of this drama I feel like the Sharks, Habs, and Flyers will all end up happy with the outcome here. Michkov probably becomes the best player of the three, but not by such a large margin and not without enough agita that the Sharks or Habs regret their decisions at the draft table. For instance, Caufield probably ends up the biggest star from 2019 after Jack Hughes, but I don't think the Ducks or Wild are ever going to regret picking Zegras and Boldy.

Your first paragraph is a fair point. I don’t agree with your second paragraph. I think in time we will say the Sharks, Habs and Arizona really were that stupid. And your last paragraph is a very optimistic point of view on how things will pan out. More typically there is at least one team that heavily regrets their pick. The chances all 3 picks pan out amazing is low. At least one won’t hit his projected ceiling today.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Marner has regular season stats. The Leafs have been going with analytics data that counts mainly available data, that is to say regular season data. Unfortunately the NHL playoffs are very different from the regular season. Players wear skates in both but there is not much resemblance outside of that.

Lots of players, like Marner, look really good most of the time and only look weak a few games a year. The stats might be a little different if they were on a team that actually won a few series, but, even then, the number of games does not compare.

Playoffs need to be considered separately, and that means insufficient data in a lotvof cases.

I agree playoffs are different than regular season. Habs should be built in a way to win PO series and not just figure ok in regular season. That being said, we never know when Marner will be an hero of the PO. Vegas with Marchessault were not highly regarded before this PO win. One day Marner can surprise you. I don't find pertinent to take him as an example when in reality he is a regular nhl player and not a maybe future super star who never played a game in nhl.

 

[Kaladin]

Puck moving defenceman

I define PMD as a play making defensemen. Hutson is a PMD. Reinbacher doesn’t have all the tools in his toolbox to be a #1 PMD. Technically, even players like Barron are PMD’s but there are tiers.

 

[le_sean]

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That’s honestly kind of cool that Molson cares enough to go and greet him like that.

 

[rahad]

Hopefully this guy becomes a Chris Pronger, Chelios, MacInnis or Leetch, and we will all be happy.

Dude... He is 6ft2. He won't be able to bully like Pronger(6ft6). Also, if he had Pronger skills, he would have gone #2.

 

[rahad]

I don't remember fans hating Guhle selection. He has also selected #16 vs #5

 

[durojean]

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And now try convince me they are not in damage control mode.

I actually think they drafted russian players in the 2nd day just to not be called racist.

 

[417]

No, it's really not, because we're talking about public comments, not what actually happened behind the scenes. I am highly doubtful that there was absolutely nobody at all advocating to pick Michkov (or even for Leonard, Dvorsky, etc. for that matter) at 5, but our fanbase has been losing their minds about this pick for 3 days now. Why on earth would the FO start talking about being divided and having a significant contingent that wanted Michkov right now? They didn't pick Michkov, they're saying Reinbacher was our guy, and they're trying to move on from this entire stupid saga.

At the end of the day it is clear that teams did not agree with this generational billing or the idea that the talent was so overwhelming that you can't pass on him, and/or they were more concerned about risk factors than the internet was. Once Bedard was off the board, five teams chose other players instead of Michkov. If the NHL consensus was as strong on this player as the HFboards and Habs twitter consensus is, Grier would have been sprinting to the podium to pick him at 4th, but instead he took Will Smith who has virtually all the same on-ice warts as Michkov and most likely a lower ceiling. NHL teams aren't infallible but they're not so stupid that they pass on a guy they assess as a true generational talent for Will f***ing Smith.

If you adjust your projection on this player from "generational talent" to "first-line star talent" the way this whole saga unfolded makes a ton more sense. The Flyers were thrilled to get their (more talented) equivalent to Caufield to start building a new core/top 6. Montreal just gave Caufield 8 years and didn't want to lock in a second one-dimensional small winger (no, Newhook isn't the same thing, he's bigger and a better two-way guy and did not cost a 5th overall pick), so they took the big horse on RD. The Coyotes presumably were told he wouldn't sign there (We have pretty solid indications from Friedman that Michkov was trying to pick his spot), so they took a home run swing on a D given their deep forward pool. The Sharks have been bad for 2-3 years and basically only had Mukhamadullin and Eklund in the system, so they took a guy they hope will become their future 1C and passed on the contract headaches.

For all of this drama I feel like the Sharks, Habs, and Flyers will all end up happy with the outcome here. Michkov probably becomes the best player of the three, but not by such a large margin and not without enough agita that the Sharks or Habs regret their decisions at the draft table. For instance, Caufield probably ends up the biggest star from 2019 after Jack Hughes, but I don't think the Ducks or Wild are ever going to regret picking Zegras and Boldy.

Were people expecting them to say there wasn't a consensus and the drew his name out of a hat?

 

[le_sean]

I don't remember fans hating Guhle selection. He has also selected #16 vs #5

Yes, lots of fans hated it. Most wanted a forward that draft and the Habs were “loaded” with LD at the time (they took 3 the year before in Rounds 2 and 3, plus Romanov the year before that and Mete on the roster). People mostly wanted Mercer or Lapierre

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Utter f***ing nonsense. No one had issues with Guhle. I mean, some may have not liked the pick, but it definitely wasn't controversial at all.

These narratives they come up with... I swear.

 

[le_sean]

Utter f***ing nonsense. No one had issues with Guhle. I mean, some may have not liked the pick, but it definitely wasn't controversial at all.

These narratives they come up with... I swear.

It was definitely controversial. No one went to Twitter to behave like a f***ing idiot like they did with Reinbacher, but it wasn’t widely liked at all.

 

[Runner77]

And what do you make of the fact Michkov first met with the Flyers the day he step foot in NA and then tons of rumors started that Philly wanted to trade up to get him while from SJ to ARI no one took him, Grier said they were some concern, He didn't seem interested to go to Arizona (I would too).......and now that 2024 thing which would have change everything where he would have been draft, he would have been in the discussion for 2nd overall.

The kid pulled a Jagr here.

As regards to how the Habs handled it, it doesn’t appear that they did an extended meeting with the kid. And yet they are a sophisticated, resourceful organization. Let the Habs confirm or deny. I only stuck to what was confirmed.

Utter f***ing nonsense. No one had issues with Guhle. I mean, some may have not liked the pick, but it definitely wasn't controversial at all.

These narratives they come up with... I swear.

Sure, tell him sweet lies to make him feel better.

 

[Runner77]

I really wanted Michkov as most here know pretty clearly but I feel like Reinbacher's offense gets disrespected pretty hard in these boards.

Hughes saying he’s not sure Reinbacher can run a first PP in the NHL, is a disrespect about his offence from this forum? Try again:

 

[River Meadow]

Hughes saying he’s not sure Reinbacher can run a first PP in the NHL, is a disrespect about his offence from this forum? Try again:

tbh, Kent should not have said this, IMO.

The D2 is fine but I don't like the "I'm not sure he's gonna run a 1st line PP unit".....

 

[Ezpz]

Hughes saying he’s not sure Reinbacher can run a first PP in the NHL, is a disrespect about his offence from this forum? Try again:

Pk Subban won a Norris and couldnt run a pp. He was the trigger man and Markov did the running.

 

[Runner77]

Pk Subban won a Norris and couldnt run a pp. He was the trigger man and Markov did the running.

Subban won a Norris in a year when only half the games were played. I liked him but no one knows if he’d have been able to sustain his performance over a full season. We’ve often seen candidates falter after they dominated at the halfway mark.

There is no Markov on the team now and the combo he formed is not likely to be replicated.

Reinbacher was selected with a high pick. One of the prevailing arguments is that he’s supposed to be the best D in this draft. Certainly, one would expect offence to be a premium tool in his arsenal given his high draft slot and how he beat out several draftees in a forward heavy draft.

When the GM is flat out expressing uncertainty about his offence, that’s on the GM, not this forum.

 

[Mudz]

Hughes saying he’s not sure Reinbacher can run a first PP in the NHL, is a disrespect about his offence from this forum? Try again:

What a BS edit

Edit: And yeah, a lot of is offense will come from his passes of the rush.

He might make it as a shooter on the PP. Mailloux and Barron might end up taking thoses minutes. Or a foward. Right now he is good at getting pucks to the net, so who knows, maybe he can even run a PP.

 

[Shred]

Subban won a Norris in a year when only half the games were played. I liked him but no one knows if he’d have been able to sustain his performance over a full season. We’ve often seen candidates falter after they dominated at the halfway mark.

There is no Markov on the team now and the combo he formed is not likely to be replicated.

Reinbacher was selected with a high pick. One of the prevailing arguments is that he’s supposed to be the best D in this draft. Certainly, one would expect offence to be a premium tool in his arsenal given his high draft slot and how he beat out several draftees in a forward heavy draft.

When the GM is flat out expressing uncertainty about his offence, that’s on the GM, not this forum.

GM knows he can’t run the PP since that spot has already been reserved for Lane Hutson

 

[Mudz]

GM knows he can’t run the PP since that spot has already been reserved for Lane Hutson

That's exactly that. For real.

 

[Runner77]

The apologist cavalry is in full force, I see.

The real “BS” is blaming this forum for anything and everything. We have our faults but we’re not always at fault.

 

[Mudz]

The apologist cavalry is in full force, I see.

The real “BS” is blaming this forum for anything and everything. We have our faults but we’re not always at fault.

I mean, just press play, its right there. And tell me it's not true.

I'm sure KH regrets saying that tho. Same thing with the "left D might have cooled us" or something.

 

[Archijerej]

Can anyone confirm Gorges was, in fact, captain for Kelowna?

I'm pretty sure it's just a rumour.

 

[NotProkofievian]

This PP QB discussion is really putting the cart before the horse. It's not that one player has sick dangles, and the other doesn't that means he'll get those opportunities. It's whether he can earn those minutes in the first place.

Reinbacher will play a lot of minutes for the habs in his prime. Willing to bet some of those will be on the PP.

No spots are reserved on any special teams at the moment for a habs prospect. They'll have to earn them with their play.