Prospect Info: David Reinbacher - Get Well Soon Edition

[417]

Tbf Kulich has been mishandled. Buffalo is always bad and their player always flourish elsewhere.

wasn't he the poster child for how you develop a player?

Either way, I was being facetious, i'm sure he's going to turn into a solid player.

 

[WeThreeKings]

wasn't he the poster child for how you develop a player?

Either way, I was being facetious, i'm sure he's going to turn into a solid player.

He will; but amazing how quickly things change.

 

[Whitesnake]

wasn't he the poster child for how you develop a player?

Either way, I was being facetious, i'm sure he's going to turn into a solid player.

Yes you are 'cause we all know that if there would be one rule for every player as to how you develop players, and if you go with that sole rule, they would ALL become NHL'ers....we'd need more NHL teams.....

They did a good job to bring him in the AHL as soon as they did. Just like soon, they will change the rule so that a 19-year old player who has NOTHING to show for in juniors will also be able to come to the AHL. That's coming too. And it will be awesome for their development.

Now, what happens in the NHL is another story. And for a poster who KEEPS saying that you STILL continue to be developed in the NHL....I'm sure you'll agree....

 

[JeffreyLFC]

wasn't he the poster child for how you develop a player?

Either way, I was being facetious, i'm sure he's going to turn into a solid player.

Buffalo is certainly the worst operated franchise in the NHL. They have been rebuilding for more than a decade. I think Kulich is a good player that might become a late bloomer elsewhere like Verhaeghe or Hagel. The only issue for him is getting out of Buffalo.

 

[teamfirst]

Difference between "discussing" and "dwelling".

6 other teams passed on MM, but only one fanbase constantly behaves like he was born to be a Habs pick and it was taken out from under them.

We've missed out on TONS of players over the years, some guys who went on to be HOFers, but I've never seen this level of FOMO before.

To be fair of those 6 only 2 can be call real hockey market and the other one picked Bedard

 

[Whitesnake]

Havent heard anyone complaining about the great Benson lately. Wonder what happened.

Should have been sent in the AHL. That's what happened. But if we don't give up on our 19 year old...why should we give up on any others?

 

[Adam Michaels]

Tbf Kulich has been mishandled. Buffalo is always bad and their player always florish elsewhere.

The Kulich debate was obviously linked to picking Mesar over him. And when Mesar was in Junior, not many actually watched him. They were stat watching. And that made people even more upset that Habs passed over Kulich.

But when they actually watched Mesar play with Laval before he got hurt, people stopped the Kulich/Mesar debate because they realized Habs have a solid prospect in their hands. And it was the same when they watched Mesar at the WJC. When they watch him, they like him. When they don't, he was a "wasted pick" because he didn't score 90+ pts in junior.

And that's not to say Kulich wouldn't have been a great pick. It's more to say that when people don't watch Mesar, they don't realize he's a solid pick late in the 1st round.

 

[ReHabs]

Should have been sent in the AHL. That's what happened. But if we don't give up on our 19 year old...why should we give up on any others?

Patience for our underperforming teenagers… cruel mockery for their underperforming teenagers.

That’s the way it goes.

 

[Andy]

wasn't he the poster child for how you develop a player?

Either way, I was being facetious, i'm sure he's going to turn into a solid player.

People just auto assume Kulich and Nazar will be stars because they just want to "be right" about the trades and picks the habs did make.

It's classic grass is greener scenario. Look at someone like Joshua Roy. A year older than Kulich, similar AHL success. Has been more productive at the nhl level. Yet, the previaling attitude is that Roy is slipping, while Kulich is a sure fire miss. This is all because we selected Mesar.

Then I see someone like Nazar. He's the classic undersized, skilled player that this board trashes on. They only reason people like him and assume he's going to be great is because he was selected with the pick used to get Dach.

In a parallel universe where Kulich is selected before Mesar, or Nazar is selected 14th instead of 13ths. No one on this board talks about either player.

As for Reinbacher, I feel bad for the dude. He simply has no chance to get sympathy from a sizable portion of this fan base. It's just not gonna happen, even if he ends up the next Hamrlik.

 

[417]

Yes you are 'cause we all know that if there would be one rule for every player as to how you develop players, and if you go with that sole rule, they would ALL become NHL'ers....we'd need more NHL teams.....

Yet we spend a lot of time questioning why Player A wasn't sent to the AHL to "properly" develop.

It's funny how the players who do end up going to the AHL, but don't hit in the NHL, are never used as cautionary tales.

It's only the other way around.

Hmmm...

They did a good job to bring him in the AHL as soon as they did. Just like soon, they will change the rule so that a 19-year old player who has NOTHING to show for in juniors will also be able to come to the AHL. That's coming too. And it will be awesome for their development.

Now, what happens in the NHL is another story. And for a poster who KEEPS saying that you STILL continue to be developed in the NHL....I'm sure you'll agree....

More or less lol

 

[Whitesnake]

Difference between "discussing" and "dwelling".

6 other teams passed on MM, but only one fanbase constantly behaves like he was born to be a Habs pick and it was taken out from under them.

We've missed out on TONS of players over the years, some guys who went on to be HOFers, but I've never seen this level of FOMO before.

Pretty easy. First, there are these other teams that believes that when all is said and done Bedard, Carlsson and Fantilli could be as good as Michkov. If not AS good, close by and for Carlsson and Fantilli bring the size to be more complete.

The others that will be more scrutinized should be Smith, Reinbacher and Simashev. I will make you guess which is a crazier marker that keeps overanalysing stuff 'cause we actually only have 1 major team to cheer for, in a sports that is our own compared to the other 2.

And when you talk of over the years....you mean post/pre social websites? You think that missing on Robitaille would not have created a mess on HF? You think that continually picking the Big bad Western guys in the 1st round continually over the talented ones in the 90's would have been easily taken?

On all of this, Add the fact that just like last year, most of this board who is often trying to intellectually kill themselves and are never in agreement, WERE AGREEING AT 90% AND UP to take Michkov....you then know why.

But what I don't understand is that you, a really intelligent poster, can't figure out why we talk about a PPG kid, who we ALL wanted but we were told that RD was more important PAIRED with the fact that Michkov, if he would EVER come here, it would be in 2026.....I don't know what to tell you. Oh and let's not forget the insane attitude the kid is suppose to have which it suddenly appears to have disspear..... And while it's not his fault, it's also paired with the fact that we can't see David's shine so right now the comparison is Michkov's shining vs David's potential. After last year f*** up in Europe. And this year's injury. People are pissed of the situation. Totally understandable.

But don't worry, just like you and WTK talk about Benson and Kulich right now, if Michkov slows down....has a tough 2nd year, or has tough playoffs when the Flyers get in, or when David will come back and be strong, while we might not talk about Michkov as much, or the talks will die down, I'm sure you and WTK will be there to take the torch...lol.

 

[417]

To be fair of those 6 only 2 can be call real hockey market and the other one picked Bedard

I'm not sure what difference that makes.

Should have been sent in the AHL. That's what happened. But if we don't give up on our 19 year old...why should we give up on any others?

See this is where I veer off.

How do you know that if he would have been sent to the AHL, his career would be any different right now?

How is this measured?

People just auto assume Kulich and Nazar will be stars because they just want to "be right" about the trades and picks the habs did make.

It's classic grass is greener scenario. Look at someone like Joshua Roy. A year older than Kulich, similar AHL success. Has been more productive at the nhl level. Yet, the previaling attitude is that Roy is slipping, while Kulich is a sure fire miss. This is all because we selected Mesar.

Then I see someone like Nazar. He's the classic undersized, skilled player that this board trashes on. They only reason people like him and assume he's going to be great is because he was selected with the pick used to get Dach.

In a parallel universe where Kulich is selected before Mesar, or Nazar is selected 14th instead of 13ths. No one on this board talks about either player.

As for Reinbacher, I feel bad for the dude. He simply has no chance to get sympathy from a sizable portion of this fan base. It's just not gonna happen, even if he ends up the next Hamrlik.

Which is terrible.

 

[teamfirst]

I'm not sure what difference that makes.


See this is where I veer off.

How do you know that if he would have been sent to the AHL, his career would be any different right now?

How is this measured?


Which is terrible.

More fans more passions more hot takes is all

 

[Whitesnake]

Yet we spend a lot of time questioning why Player A wasn't sent to the AHL to "properly" develop.

It's funny how the players who do end up going to the AHL, but don't hit in the NHL, are never used as cautionary tales.

It's only the other way around.

Hmmm...

More or less lol

That's a strange take. Going to the AHL is NOT a recipe at 100% for surefire success. Unless you are already a star, you should go there. It doesn't mean you'll make it. BUt it means that they are doing what they can to be sure that if there's another level to get, that he'll get it by that progression.

But sometimes, I mean, most of the times, they won't make it. Why? Cause they were just not that great to begin with or that their development stalled. Which is why there are AHL teams. Or european teams filled with NHL players.

I really have no idae what you are saying. We should wear helmet when we ride bikes. Doesn't mean we'll fall but we are prudent. Should we use examples of people who don't wear helmets and don't fall to claim...HEY...SEE! HELMETS ARE UNECESSARY! lol.

Tell me...what cautionary tales exist to send people in the AHL? Are you saying that Kulich didn't develop well 'cause he spent time in the AHL? What's your take? Should have been immediately in the NHL at 18? Should have stayed in Europe instead?

 

[Whitesnake]

See this is where I veer off.

How do you know that if he would have been sent to the AHL, his career would be any different right now?

How is this measured?

I do not know. It's more prudent especially when kids do not have the body to sustain a NHL calendar from the start. Though Benson is quite strong on his feet.....But it's the more prudent way. But did anybody say that if you are send in the AHL, it means 100% of success? Is it because we think it would have been a safest way, that it means it's the ONLY way or the WAY TO 100% make it?

I mean, I'm not blind. I see that there is an AHL league. Which means that it's filled with AHL'ers. And that playing in that league does NOT guaranteee a NHL spot.

 

[Andy]

Havent heard anyone complaining about the great Benson lately. Wonder what happened.

The rage that would be on this board if the Habs actually chose Benson (5'10) and Nazar (5'9).

Nothing gets habs fans angrier than small players.

Caufield (5'8), Michkov (5'10), Benson (5'10), Nazar (5'9).

So many people on this board would have a stroke if this was the offensive pipeline of the club.

 

[417]

Pretty easy. First, there are these other teams that believes that when all is said and done Bedard, Carlsson and Fantilli could be as good as Michkov. If not AS good, close by and for Carlsson and Fantilli bring the size to be more complete.

And why doesn't apply to the Habs and Reinbacher?

I mean, in Reinbacher's own way and value for what HE brings.

The same way that the Florida Panthers selected Aaron Ekblad 1st overall, while Leon Draisaitl went 2 picks later.

I don't see any Panthers fans or anyone in the Panthers organization lamenting the fact they passed on LD for AE.

The others that will be more scrutinized should be Smith, Reinbacher and Simashev. I will make you guess which is a crazier marker that keeps overanalysing stuff 'cause we actually only have 1 major team to cheer for, in a sports that is our own compared to the other 2.

And when you talk of over the years....you mean post/pre social websites? You think that missing on Robitaille would not have created a mess on HF? You think that continually picking the Big bad Western guys in the 1st round continually over the talented ones in the 90's would have been easily taken?

Yeah I don't think this "woah is me" attitude is justification, no other fanbase beats themselves over this kind of stuff.

But maybe it does have to do with the fact that 1 major team to cheer for...but whose preventing people from watching and cheering for teams in other cities?

Entitlement isn't an excuse that's viable.

But what I don't understand is that you, a really intelligent poster, can't figure out why we talk about a PPG kid, who we ALL wanted but we were told that RD was more important PAIRED with the fact that Michkov, if he would EVER come here, it would be in 2026.....I don't know what to tell you. Oh and let's not forget the insane attitude the kid is suppose to have which it suddenly appears to have disspear..... And while it's not his fault, it's also paired with the fact that we can't see David's shine so right now the comparison is Michkov's shining vs David's potential. After last year f*** up in Europe. And this year's injury. People are pissed of the situation. Totally understandable.

Oh I can figure out why, see above, we're an entitled fanbase.

But that's not what I don't get. It's the level of intensity at which this discussion bleeds into everything, here, social media, radio, podcasts. It's just this never ending incessant self-mutilation that I don't see in other fanbases.

Teams pass on guys, it happens...in every sport, every year, we've gotten guys that other teams should have picked.

But no one whines about it like we do.

Like I get it, it's especially difficult because Reinbacher is injured...but man.

But don't worry, just like you and WTK talk about Benson and Kulich right now, if Michkov slows down....has a tough 2nd year, or has tough playoffs when the Flyers get in, or when David will come back and be strong, while we might not talk about Michkov as much, or the talks will die down, I'm sure you and WTK will be there to take the torch...lol.

The Michkovites annoy TF out of me, so yes no doubt about that lol Kulich though, i'm just having fun lol

It ain't that serious lol

 

[417]

That's a strange take. Going to the AHL is NOT a recipe at 100% for surefire success. Unless you are already a star, you should go there. It doesn't mean you'll make it. BUt it means that they are doing what they can to be sure that if there's another level to get, that he'll get it by that progression.

But sometimes, I mean, most of the times, they won't make it. Why? Cause they were just not that great to begin with or that their development stalled. Which is why there are AHL teams. Or european teams filled with NHL players.

I really have no idae what you are saying. We should wear helmet when we ride bikes. Doesn't mean we'll fall but we are prudent. Should we use examples of people who don't wear helmets and don't fall to claim...HEY...SEE! HELMETS ARE UNECESSARY! lol.

Tell me...what cautionary tales exist to send people in the AHL? Are you saying that Kulich didn't develop well 'cause he spent time in the AHL? What's your take? Should have been immediately in the NHL at 18? Should have stayed in Europe instead?

Yes, I can see you're not catching my drift.

Let me try to expand - How often do we see a player who skipped the AHL (i.e. Slafkovsky), he starts in the NHL and struggles, and the immediate conclusion was/is that he skipped a step and that's why he's struggling.

So why isn't the opposite true? What about the players who do go to the AHL, but still struggle in the NHL, what' the reasoning there?

We have to be consequent with our opinions.

Maybe the development is just way more complex then where a player plays at whatever level he's at?

Based on a lot of what I've read on this very board over the years, an opinion I've seen you articulate quite often...a guy like Joshua Roy should be close to being a player who can make an impact in the NHL.

Yet the more AHL games he plays, the further he looks from actually doing that.

Why?

 

[417]

I do not know. It's more prudent especially when kids do not have the body to sustain a NHL calendar from the start. Though Benson is quite strong on his feet.....But it's the more prudent way. But did anybody say that if you are send in the AHL, it means 100% of success? Is it because we think it would have been a safest way, that it means it's the ONLY way or the WAY TO 100% make it?

I mean, I'm not blind. I see that there is an AHL league. Which means that it's filled with AHL'ers. And that playing in that league does NOT guarantee a NHL spot.

So why say it with such certainty...maybe you and others just need to accept the fact that the NHL is a difficult league and a player struggling isn't necessarily an indication that he should not be in the NHL.

Maybe all it shows is that it might take a player 3-4 years before he reaches that potential, which isn't any different than what it used to be, 10-15-20 years ago, the only difference is that players are starting in the NHL a lot sooner.

Before they used to go to the AHL for 2+ years and whether or not they struggled, no one cared, everyone just assumed that was part of the process or didn't even pay attention.

Perhaps we need to re-adjust the way we look at development...AHL success doesn't necessarily = NHL success and NHL struggles, doesn't necessarily = send him to the AHL or he's ruined.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Should have been sent in the AHL. That's what happened. But if we don't give up on our 19 year old...why should we give up on any others?

We shouldn't, but who gets to the NHL first has never been the barometer for success. So maybe next time we wait to see the development to take place over 5 seasons minimum before we slit our wrists

 

[Whitesnake]

The rage that would be on this board if the Habs actually chose Benson (5'10) and Nazar (5'9).

Nothing gets habs fans angrier than small players.

Caufield (5'8), Michkov (5'10), Benson (5'10), Nazar (5'9).

So many people on this board would have a stroke if this was the offensive pipeline of the club.

If they think that there were the best, and there's confidence in that management, there is no doubt that we could move some guys in that list for needs when it comes to that.

 

[Whitesnake]

So why say it with such certainty...maybe you and others just need to accept the fact that the NHL is a difficult league and a player struggling isn't necessarily an indication that he should not be in the NHL.

Maybe all it shows is that it might take a player 3-4 years before he reaches that potential, which isn't any different than what it used to be, 10-15-20 years ago, the only difference is that players are starting in the NHL a lot sooner.

Before they used to go to the AHL for 2+ years and whether or not they struggled, no one cared, everyone just assumed that was part of the process or didn't even pay attention.

Perhaps we need to re-adjust the way we look at development...AHL success doesn't necessarily = NHL success and NHL struggles, doesn't necessarily = send him to the AHL or he's ruined.

Because I don't think I have to write an opinion always by starting with IN MY OPINION. I thought we were past that. Should I put it in my signature to avoid misunderstanding?

As far as your entire post....so.....why in jest talk about Benson and Kulich issues in the NHL if it's just maybe part of the normal process?

I have no idea where I said that AHL success means NHL success. I didn't even say AHL presence MEANS NHL success. I said that you are, IN MY OPINION, helping a kid by slowly taking the step one at a time. Most importantly if you come from Europe with a different schedule, different toughness in leagues etc. Most importantly for player of smaller stature no matter where they come from. OBVIOUSLY never talking about exceptionnals. I do NOT think Bedard should go to the AHL 'cause some are saying that he is struggling. But still not sure what warranted Benson to be a NHL'er with the team they have.

Can some kid succeed while not going in the AHL. Sure. No doubt. I do not know why it,s scary or problematic to take your time with non-superstar players.

 

[Andy]

If they think that there were the best, and there's confidence in that management, there is no doubt that we could move some guys in that list for needs when it comes to that.

1. There is never confidence in management 2. you are deluded into thinking this board would not be hell until a trade would happen.

FFS, there were still some people talking about Halak well after he was traded and price was de facto the best goalie in the world.

 

[Whitesnake]

Yes, I can see you're not catching my drift.

Let me try to expand - How often do we see a player who skipped the AHL (i.e. Slafkovsky), he starts in the NHL and struggles, and the immediate conclusion was/is that he skipped a step and that's why he's struggling.

So why isn't the opposite true? What about the players who do go to the AHL, but still struggle in the NHL, what' the reasoning there?

We have to be consequent with our opinions.

Maybe the development is just way more complex then where a player plays at whatever level he's at?

Based on a lot of what I've read on this very board over the years, an opinion I've seen you articulate quite often...a guy like Joshua Roy should be close to being a player who can make an impact in the NHL.

Yet the more AHL games he plays, the further he looks from actually doing that.

Why?

Well it depends of the issues no? If they kid can't score but follows the pace...keep him. he needs to adapt to the pace and should start scoring soon. If the kid is clearly out of depth and it's too much on almost all levels for him....well just like everybody who is in the AHL....he should go back to slowly comeback. By doing that, it's also good for his confidence that he might have lost while being overmatched in the NHL. As far as AHL'ers that struggles while coming in...well...there are also a number of reasons. Still not good enough, you have a ton of too good for the AHL, not good enough for the NHL players too. I'm still not sure you could come to the conclusion that the AHL actually hurt them....

Josh Roy.....well looking at him play is about pace and commitment. Reason why he also fell in the 5th round. Also, he looked good at first. Less so now. Well there quite a few prospects who does that. Coming in with not a lot of expectations, others noth knowing you, make you surpass your reality. Now, seemed to me, IN MY OPINION, that he was seeing himself as an already NHL'er, and went back to old nasty habits.

But I always though that Josh had a pace issue. We will see if he's able to resolve that. But if you wonder by looking at him in the AHL what kidn of player he'll be....I'm sure looking at him in preseason and in the NHL lately, you ask yourself the same question.

1. There is never confidence in management 2. you are deluded into thinking this board would not be hell until a trade would happen.

FFS, there were still some people talking about Halak well after he was traded and price was de facto the best goalie in the world.

This board will be hell until we win a cup. And even that, if we don't win it again in the next 2 or 3 years, the cup will be forgotten. I don't think we should analyse a board based on a few fanatics. I'm just saying personnally, that being consequent with myself, if we pick the BPA and all of them are under 5'10'', I will hopefully believe that my management knows that we can play all of them together...and a few will be used in trades.

 

[Andy]

This board will be hell until we win a cup. And even that, if we don't win it again in the next 2 or 3 years, the cup will be forgotten. I don't think we should analyse a board based on a few fanatics. I'm just saying personnally, that being consequent with myself, if we pick the BPA and all of them are under 5'10'', I will hopefully believe that my management knows that we can play all of them together...and a few will be used in trades.

I don't think we should be spilling this many words until any of these players do anything of note long term. I understand that everyone wants to be right, but christ, we all need to chill a bit.

None of these players we are whining about have played 200 games in the nhl yet. Tone it down.