Player Discussion David Quinn

[effen]

The plan is about development, but at this stage, that also likely means this team still loses quite a bit. On the flip side, if the young players put pieces together sooner, and make a push, the Rangers aren't necessarily going to fight that either.

What do you think makes such a huge disconnect between practices which afaik he's generally happy with (extended yelling matches reported in the paper notwithstanding) and games where they tend to look tentative, nervous, and frankly afraid to give and take hits a lot of the time ?

I don't think anyone cares we're bad, I think we're all upset at looking so disinterested.

 

[kovazub94]

Staal complains should be directed at Gorton, not Quinn (if not to Staal himself).

Andersson should be promoted one spot higher and, given the recent loss streak, it probably is coming sooner than later. I mean, he's playing better than Howden but not by much, and if you're not a fanboy - gotta admit that at the moment Strome is better than both.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I'm not really sure how you got that takeaway from what I typed. Let me approach this a different way and hopefully clarify.

The plan isn't about sucking for two years just to draft another two centers. Nor is there concern about having a scenario where Panarin and Zibanejad are 31 or 32, on a roster with with Kakko and whoever at age 23, and some of the other talents in this organization in the 24-28 range.

The plan is about development, but at this stage, that also likely means this team still loses quite a bit. On the flip side, if the young players put pieces together sooner, and make a push, the Rangers aren't necessarily going to fight that either.

My takeaway was you said you spoke to people and they had an eye on the mid 20s. Maybe I misunderstood, but I took that as they don't think they'll be ready to compete until then. Which is odd considering they paid a butt load of money for Panarin and their best center will be 31 by then, if he's even with the team.

 

[UnSandvich]

Is it too early to say I'd like us to hire Sheldon Keefe to replace Quinn? Marlies haven't missed the playoffs since the 2010-11 season

 

[True Blue]

So, in a nutshell, if you don't like what Quinn is doing, then you also don't like what Gorton and JD are doing. Because this all part of a bigger strategic plan that all parties have agreed upon.

Completely agree. People act as if Quinn is the sole arbiter of how long players like Lindgren and Chytil are in Hartford. It would be folly to ass-u-me that Quinn solely was responsible for sending down Chytil and will be solely responsible for when he is recalled. I believe that it was and will be a decision with all three heads involved.

Rebuild, build, call it whatever but it is still going on and the franchise, at least to me, is playing the long game and not for instant gratification.

 

[Edge]

My takeaway was you said you spoke to people and they had an eye on the mid 20s. Maybe I misunderstood, but I took that as they don't think they'll be ready to compete until then. Which is odd considering they paid a butt load of money for Panarin and their best center will be 31 by then, if he's even with the team.

I think they certainly feel they can and will compete before then, but that the cross section of talent will likely be at it's apex in the mid 2020s.

That doesn't mean everything is garbage until 2023, nor does it mean that everything falls off a cliff after 2024.

 

[will1066]

This is not a Quinn problem, because it has been going on for years and under different regimes, but the lack of emotion in their play is really bad, and I do not wish for it to blanket the youngsters who've arrived with all this kid energy to leverage.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

They are absolutely not held to the same standards, because if that was the case than Howden wouldn't have carte blanche, nor would Marc Staal.

And when I say not working, I mean that they are 0-5 with the coach running the team how he is. Maybe it's time for him to do something different.

@True Blue

 

[True Blue]

They are absolutely not held to the same standards, because if that was the case than Howden wouldn't have carte blanche, nor would Marc Staal.

Where is the carte blanche? What lazy, lack of effort plays can you point to for Howden? Or even Staal?

And when I say not working, I mean that they are 0-5 with the coach running the team how he is. Maybe it's time for him to do something different.

Ok. I'm game. Like what? I mean besides moving Andersson up?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

"Alright gang, let's find out who the coach really is"

 

[BroadwayBlues]

I want to know why is Ruff-a hold over from the previous HC staff, is still here? He's not good and Quinn is no longer a rookie.

 

[RagFinMet]

Shame on u Quinn...
Lias getting 7 mins in a game, shame
Benching lemiex after one turnover after he already was key in their first goal, shame
He gives no D pair or lines any time to develop chemistry, shame
Always looks like he's crying, shame
:-D

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Where is the carte blanche? What lazy, lack of effort plays can you point to for Howden? Or even Staal?

Ok. I'm game. Like what? I mean besides moving Andersson up?

The carte blanche comes from constantly being gifted minutes without producing while not giving those same chances to other players in the lineup. It happened last season and it's happening again.

As far as how to fix it, that's not my job. All I know is that it's indisputable that what he's been doing over the last 5 games isn't working, as they have zero wins in that time span.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

"Alright gang, let's find out who the coach really is"

I gave AV the benefit of the doubt because he had a mandate to compete, and when you have that sort of mandate, it makes more sense to lean on the veterans more heavily. I don't give that benefit of the doubt to Quinn given where this team is in the rebuilding process.

Hes going to have to redefine the line between bringing a kid along slowly and trial by fire. Im beginning to worry his insistence in certain areas is going to lead to an erosion of the skills that got these kids to the NHL in the first place. Maybe I'd feel differently it didn't seem like it's always the kids getting stapled to the bench each game.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

"It has only been 7 games"

 

[17futurecap]

"It has only been 7 games"

At least we are now past, "we are rusty because we had so many off days."

 

[offdacrossbar]

quinn won't be fired. not mid season. not now. this season can be saved somewhat. one game at a time.

Q needs to change his style some what and start playing his best players more. he needs to stop benching young players. the vets are equally deserving. stop making example out of young kids. it hurts their confidence and represses creativity. this is a young mans game today. play the young guys.

more fast and smith and staal wont work. play them in the appropriate spots with the appropriate mins.

fix the PP and the PK. we can compete with good special teams.

the goaltending has been good enough. .923 & .906 is good. georgie played great. hanks been mostly sharp.

its not that bad. it can be fixed. they are in a rut. time to get out of it via hard work. the starts are a problem and thats on quinn and staff.

quinns body language during that press conference was bad. he sounds down and dejected and negative. even when praising deangelo, he was dour.

the pressure is on quinn. hes feeling it. he sounds out of it and frustrated. hes in over his head. he needs a better asst than lindy ruff.

 

[Edge]

My takeaway was you said you spoke to people and they had an eye on the mid 20s. Maybe I misunderstood, but I took that as they don't think they'll be ready to compete until then. Which is odd considering they paid a butt load of money for Panarin and their best center will be 31 by then, if he's even with the team.

Think of it like the moon: I think their projection is that the moon will be full in the mid-2020s with a roster that looks somewhat similar to what we have in the organization right now.

There will be tweaking and adjustments before hand, and after, to try to keep things as full as possible.

But the main takeaway is that no one thinks the moon is going to be remotely close to full in 2019-20 or 2020-21. That's not what they're focused on right now.

 

[True Blue]

The carte blanche comes from constantly being gifted minutes without producing while not giving those same chances to other players in the lineup. It happened last season and it's happening again.

There are no gifted minutes and Quinn does not dole out ice time based solely on offensive talent. There are things that he expects and if they get done, then a player can play even if he is not scoring.

As far as how to fix it, that's not my job. All I know is that it's indisputable that what he's been doing over the last 5 games isn't working, as they have zero wins in that time span.

That is just a cop out. You are screaming "Time to do something different", but have no idea as to what it is. The case is that with this roster, THIS is what you are getting right now. There are not a lot of choices of things that can be done different. This not a solid, veteran laden team that you can try many things with.

 

[Irishguy42]

Man, all these quotes from practice today sure show Quinn has no idea what he's doing

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Man, all these quotes from practice today sure show Quinn has no idea what he's doing

He can talk all he wants, on ice shows a different things.
As a side note, happy to see he finally put Kakko with Mika

 

[TheBloodyNine]

There are no gifted minutes and Quinn does not dole out ice time based solely on offensive talent. There are things that he expects and if they get done, then a player can play even if he is not scoring.

That is just a cop out. You are screaming "Time to do something different", but have no idea as to what it is. The case is that with this roster, THIS is what you are getting right now. There are not a lot of choices of things that can be done different. This not a solid, veteran laden team that you can try many things with.

Howden and Staal have been gifted minutes since last season - that's not debatable. It works the other way too. He's got his guys who play the "right way" and it's lead us to a 2-5 October so far, our young players staling in development, and the whole team lagging.

It's not a cop out at all. Is anything I say here going to affect what happens? Quinn ain't reading this board for ideas. But it's very clear to see that when you do something for 5 games in a row and you go 0-5, it's time for a different approach, which probably concerns giving some other players a little more leeway and room to play instead of pressing vets in order to win meaningless games in October.

 

[haohmaru]

As long as he keeps throwing Staal out there for 19+ minutes/game I won't believe he has the conviction or sense to build a winner.

 

[offdacrossbar]

As long as he keeps throwing Staal out there for 19+ minutes/game I won't believe he has the conviction or sense to build a winner.

amen.

the argument "theres no one better or more ready or yada yada yada" is not gonna work with me.

hes simply the worst defender in the league.

anyone is better and even though skjei has been awful, hes serviceable. the other men are as well.

it all starts and ends with staal.

3 things i would do now.

1. staal reduced dramatically.

2. call up filip.

3. increase ice time and role for kakko.

 

[RangersFan1994]

As long as he keeps throwing Staal out there for 19+ minutes/game I won't believe he has the conviction or sense to build a winner.

This has to be from orders from Rangers management to play Staal. most teams would scratch this AHL/ECHL player that is just taking up space at this point. waste of a hockey player. do everyone a favor and please retire