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Player Discussion David Quinn: Part IV

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True Blue said:
The replacement clock starts to tick for all coaches the second that they get hired. Most competent organizations hire a coach who they view to be the right coach at the right time. They are brought in with a specific directive. Which is I believe where Gorton & JD view Quinn.

He is not getting fired in the midst of the season. And, unless the wheels completely fall off the bus will probably be back next year, much to the vehement anger of the anti-Quinn/Gorton brigade. I think that my view of his length of rope is summed up as follows. Do I think that he is here next year? Probably. Do I think that he is here the year after that? Possibly. Do I think that he is here in 3 years? No. And that is when this team will be/should be truly entering their window as legit Cup contender. At that point in time, there will be a new right coach at the right time brought in. And a month in, people will be howling about how dare he allocate time to player X and not player Y.
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Yeah, in the multiyear timescale of things, he's just keeping the spot warm for the next person. Im neither pro- or anti-Quinn. He is what he is, and this year is what it is. Last year was probably a mirage, a perfect storm of things coming together for a couple players. This year is the opposite, a witches' brew of shit coagulating.

As talented as Panarin is, he's not the one that gets the team to the top. People have said they are missing an alpha player. I agree. In spite of Quinn, they need a captain, someone who will be an ally of the head coach, to reinforce the authority of the HC yet is also the guy the team rallies for. An emissary between the coaches and the players off the ice and between games for 9 months of the year.
 
duhmetreE said:
Then why are they getting 20 minutes? You can't have it both ways. If the vets are sucking, why are they continually thrown out there? Who's fault is that? You can't then use the vets sucking as an excuse for Quinn.

And yes, Rooney is the better choice. At this point ANYONE is a better choice than Zibanejad. He has 1 empty net assist since he last scored, 12 games ago.... how much worse can it get?

edit- At the least, cut their PP time
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You describe as so cut-and-dry. Yeah it’s teaching a lesson (although the bad luck isn’t entirely Mika’s fault to begin with,) but it’s also removing the team’s best goal-scorer during a team-wide scoring drought. I’m sure the players understand that.

Maybe if Chytil was playing there’d be more leeway there.

Also, it’s not as if Zibanejad hasn’t come close to scoring recently. He absolutely deserves goals right now.
 
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will1066 said:
Im sure the FO has a plan. If we armchair coaches and GMs can see the problems, surely they can. They know the team lacks a hard edge, is the easy team on opponents' schedules. The only player mentioned that's locked in long term is Kreider. DeAngelo blew up in their faces. But they surely have a plan. It's a multimillion dollar enterprise, not a lemonade stand they're running (hyperbole, not meant as an insult).
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Like I said I hope I am out to lunch, yet the plan seems to change based on two factors, if they think they will make the playoffs at the deadlines and how much cap space they have in the off-season.

We'll see I guess. The playoffs do not look like a great bet this year, yet they will have a lot of cap space this off-season.
 
aufheben said:
You describe as so cut-and-dry. Yeah it’s teaching a lesson (although the bad luck isn’t entirely Mika’s fault to begin with,) but it’s also removing the team’s best goal-scorer during a team-wide scoring drought. I’m sure the players understand that.

Maybe if Chytil was playing there’d be more leeway there.

Also, it’s not as if Zibanejad hasn’t come close to scoring recently. He absolutely deserves goals right now.
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imo its more than just bad puck luck. he has flubbed or shot a lot of good opportunites into the goalie.

I dont think his conditioning is that much of a concern, even though I miss the 2019 relentless forecheck.. its really just his hands. He sometimes looks like he's wearing the wrong prescription glasses. I have a hard time believing he forgot how to shoot and handle the puck. Maybe he's playing through an injury.

Either way, his time needs to be cut back. Not to get 8 minutes a game but a few less shifts at even strength and temporarily remove him from PP1.

If Miller is back next game I'd really like to see him get a chance... or Kakko.
 
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Was Zib really scoring from the left circle last season? I thought Panarin was there with Zib in the slot on the PP last season and looking at Zib's shot history, that kinda backs up my memory.

Panarin looked so much more lethal than zib in that circle against the flyers and Zib's best scoring chances continue to be in the slot and not when hes whiffing one timers or throwing perimeter muffins. I dont know why the switch in roles on the PP this season.
 
Laffy Taffy said:
Was Zib really scoring from the left circle last season? I thought Panarin was there with Zib in the slot on the PP last season and looking at Zib's shot history, that kinda backs up my memory.

Panarin looked so much more lethal than zib in that circle against the flyers and Zib's best scoring chances continue to be in the slot and not when hes whiffing one timers or throwing perimeter muffins. I dont know why the switch in roles on the PP this season.
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Zibs scored a lot there with Kreider in front

they switched because Panarin is the better option right now. Zibs had the entire PP tailored around him. He could have had 10+ goals already if he was 2019 Zibs. ( with the amount of setups and opportunities he's had )
 
TheDirtyH said:
I'm not all that concerned with Quinn's individual relationships with young players or whether or not he's 'teaching' them well or at all. What concerns me from a development pov is the way we play and the kids' roles on the team. Last year we were better, but that was 100% due to playing Panarin and Zibanejad 40 mins a night. Now, when they're slumping, there just isn't anything left.

It's not all on Quinn, who's not responsible for slumping stars. I just feel that something's gotta give at some point. Maybe you identify that this team 'has no swagger' and can't score; your usual stars are faded for whatever reason; but you also have young players with boatloads of skills--a 1OA pick compared in decoration and ability to Crosby ffs. As important as it is in long run that Lafreniere becomes a good two way player (debatable in itself, frankly), maybe just take the reigns off, throw him o-zone starts and tell him to go be a scorer.

IDK. It's not all so easy, but it's frustrating to see the team so dependent on two stars nearing 30 when we've got 2 budding gems at 19 and 20.
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Lafreniere has been getting chances, he just hasnt scored, thats has little to do with Quinn though.
 
I'm so tired of hearing he's just temporary, he's keeping the spot warm for the next coach bullshit.
It just boggles my mind and pisses me off.

Too say that he's just a place holder is nothing but a big waste of everyone's time and complete bullshit.

How about you just hire the right f***ing guy in the first place?

We need place holders so these young kids have to completely re-learn everything all over again, from scratch with a real coach?

Are you seriously nutz??
 
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duhmetreE said:
imo its more than just bad puck luck. he has flubbed or shot a lot of good opportunites into the goalie.

I dont think his conditioning is that much of a concern, even though I miss the 2019 relentless forecheck.. its really just his hands. He sometimes looks like he's wearing the wrong prescription glasses. I have a hard time believing he forgot how to shoot and handle the puck. Maybe he's playing through an injury.

Either way, his time needs to be cut back. Not to get 8 minutes a game but a few less shifts at even strength and temporarily remove him from PP1.

If Miller is back next game I'd really like to see him get a chance... or Kakko.
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His strength on the puck isn't there. His hands have been awful for sure, but he's getting muscled off of pucks like he's Howden. That isn't normal Mika.

Taking Mika off of PP1 (or the PP entirely really) and reducing him to bottom 6 minutes is the obvious solution, at least until he gets his game going (if he gets it going.) Same goes for Kreider but honestly I'd give him 3rd line minutes the rest of the way. Seems like the only time he actually decides to play like he wants to win.

I do worry what Quinn would do if he were to take Zibaenjad off of PP1. The obvious choices are obvious, but he is so dealthy afraid to do the obvious and always reverts to default mode which = play his guys more so that would likely mean Howden or maybe Blackwell ,who is becoming that guy who Quinn wants to throw out there ever shift (at least hes good) which is the much lesser of 2 evils there. It won't be Miller and it probably won't be Kakko, thats for sure.

I realize thats dropping Z 5v5 is going to mean a heavy dose of Strome and *shutter* most likely Howden (which just re-creates the same issues we're having now with a different body, at least until Chytil returns) but I'll take that trade off if it means getting Mika back to speed.

We've just about hit the 4 week mark with Fil. I hope he is a fast healer.
 
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Can we start a petition to make Martin head coach? You know ... a veteran head coach with an extensive track record of developing youngsters. He did well in Florida as well given the resources he had there.
 
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If they love Quinn so much can they at least fire Oliver and Brown and bring in some experienced assistants who can draw up the plays, and let DQ be the mouthpiece
 
Ooof, that is a cringey quote.

It sounds like the kind of desperate swing that a coach on his last chance would take, not a guy who's most likely safe for the season.
 
Harbour Dog said:
Ooof, that is a cringey quote.

It sounds like the kind of desperate swing that a coach on his last chance would take, not a guy who's most likely safe for the season.
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You putting away the pom poms all of a sudden?
 
NYR said:
You putting away the pom poms all of a sudden?
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For Quinn?

I don't think he's a winning coach. I'm just not bothered to bash him until we're closer to where we'll be getting rid of him.

If we start off like garbage next year too, I'll be calling for his head. For this season, he's not going anywhere, so I'm just hoping that he helps the kids develop their games.
 
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Harbour Dog said:
For Quinn?

I don't think he's a winning coach. I'm just not bothered to bash him until we're closer to where we'll be getting rid of him.

If we start off like garbage next year too, I'll be calling for his head. For this season, he's not going anywhere, so I'm just hoping that he helps the kids develop their games.
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C'mon man..How could you possibly accept trashing yet another season??
 
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