Player Discussion David Quinn: Part III

[Brief Candle]

RE: Quinn; I was all for giving the guy a chance, but at this point, I don't think he keeps up with the pace of the game at the NHL level. I get it, we're young. Mistakes will happen. However having a fresh NHL coach, regardless of how great he is at developing kids at a collegiate level does not translate to the NHL.

As far as ADA goes, f*** that kid. He's trash, and I am SO glad he'll be gone soon.

 

[will1066]

No one sadder than EdJovanovski right now. This sucks. Losing and negativity dig up shit and compounds on itself unfortunately.

 

[Black Aces]

With the caliber of goaltending that the team has been getting, any coach would have them in the same exact spot. Not to mention that the top 6 forwards have showed up in 3 out of 8 games.

Does he bear no responsibility with how they have played?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Does he bear no responsibility with how they have played?

According to the Quinn Websters the coach has nothing to do with how the players are playing...unless they are playing well.

 

[JT Kreider]

So a minority rookie was bullied under his watch? This should absolutely cost Quinn his job and probably Gorton's as well. This is a serious problem.

 

[Edge]

So ADA was literally voted the funniest guy in the room in video interviews and now all of a sudden he's an outcast?
I find that extremely hard to believe.

This is DQ playing f***ing games..

No, but just because someone is voted funniest guy in the locker room doesn’t inoculate the relationship from taking a turn.

Two people can be in a relatively good relationship until someone goes and screws it up.

It’s really not complicated to do.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

The entire Ranger FO is part of the Deep State.

The entire Rangers FO has been f***ing wrong so far this season. Signing JJ should've been a clear cut sign of how grossly incompetent they are. Winning the lottery doesn't make you a good GM. Miller has so far proven to be a great pick. Chytil is an NHL player, but nothing special, though many players from the 1st round don't make it so you can call it a good pick. But Lias was a bust and we have no idea of Kravstov will be a player. The Rangers lucked into Laf, but so far this season has been a disaster under any metric. The inconsistency with regards to accountability, the mediocrity of our goaltending, what seems like zero improvement so far defensively, our top guys being totally quiet. This is a nightmare of a team right now, and it's hard to see any light at the end of this tunnel with our roster and coach. I understand this was meant to be a transition year all along, but it feels like we've either sidestepped or taken a step back, without taking a significant steps forward in any meaningful way. It's still early, but the FO looks really bad right now. They were lucky to get their last two top picks. At some point DQ will have to go, and I hope it's before next season starts.

 

[NYR]

No, but just because someone is voted funniest guy in the locker room doesn’t immaculate the relationship from taking a turn.

Two people can be in a relatively good relationship until someone goes and screws it up.

It’s really not complicated to do.

Again..ADA had a chip on his shoulder when it came to defensive play and wanted to prove himself.
Did he get that opportunity?
Yeah.. For about 5 seconds.
I'd be livid with DQ if I were him..

 

[May Rih]

Again..ADA had a chip on his shoulder when it came to defensive play and wanted to prove himself.
Did he get that opportunity?
Yeah.. For about 5 seconds.
I'd be livid with DQ if I were him..

For the sake of discussing this specific angle about ADA having a chip about proving his defensive play... hasn't he and his pair been pretty terrible defensively so far this year? If so, what should he be mad at DQ about?

 

[SA16]

For the sake of discussing this specific angle about ADA having a chip about proving his defensive play... hasn't he and his pair been pretty terrible defensively so far this year? If so, what should he be mad at DQ about?

Not really. It's mostly been absurdly bad goaltending. Teams are shooting 25% with him on the ice. That's higher than teams shoot on powerplays.

 

[Chytilmania]

Again..ADA had a chip on his shoulder when it came to defensive play and wanted to prove himself.
Did he get that opportunity?
Yeah.. For about 5 seconds.
I'd be livid with DQ if I were him..

ADA deserves full responsibility for whatever is going on but we have seen this pattern before under Quinn.

 

[Chytilmania]

Not really. It's mostly been absurdly bad goaltending. Teams are shooting 25% with him on the ice. That's higher than teams shoot on powerplays.

Plus last night's goals....Smith slides out of the play, deflection, Smith's pass gets intercepted and Malkin threads a nice pass, Georgie plays keep away.
Not saying Tony is a good defender but this team overall has given up goals from bad decisions and bad luck.

 

[JT Kreider]

The entire Rangers FO has been f***ing wrong so far this season. Signing JJ should've been a clear cut sign of how grossly incompetent they are. Winning the lottery doesn't make you a good GM. Miller has so far proven to be a great pick. Chytil is an NHL player, but nothing special, though many players from the 1st round don't make it so you can call it a good pick. But Lias was a bust and we have no idea of Kravstov will be a player. The Rangers lucked into Laf, but so far this season has been a disaster under any metric. The inconsistency with regards to accountability, the mediocrity of our goaltending, what seems like zero improvement so far defensively, our top guys being totally quiet. This is a nightmare of a team right now, and it's hard to see any light at the end of this tunnel with our roster and coach. I understand this was meant to be a transition year all along, but it feels like we've either sidestepped or taken a step back, without taking a significant steps forward in any meaningful way. It's still early, but the FO looks really bad right now. They were lucky to get their last two top picks. At some point DQ will have to go, and I hope it's before next season starts.

The Rangers FO is usually always wrong. They have to have the worst ROI in sports history in terms of money spent vs. production

Gorton has made a slew of questionable decisions and has been very fortunate to be bailed out more times than not.

Eric Staal trade, not trading Yandle at that deadline, Smith extension, Skjei extension, trading Miller for nothing, signing the worst of Kreider/Hayes/Miller, signing Shattenkirk and wasting a year instead of starting the rebuild with the Stepan trade, not firing AV after the debacle in Ottawa, Howden and Hajek being the main pieces of the McDonagh trade, drafting Andersson, HIRING QUINN.

Yikes. That would be enough to get any GM fired. He just looks good because he was in an impossible to screw up situation by getting a massive headstart on the rebuild by being able to liquidate a roster that was 3 years removed from the SCF, 2 years removed from Game 7 of the ECF, and 2 wins away from going back to the ECF again in 2017.

 

[May Rih]

Not really. It's mostly been absurdly bad goaltending. Teams are shooting 25% with him on the ice. That's higher than teams shoot on powerplays.

Fair enough, definitely more factors than just Tony out there to blame for the results of goals against. So maybe just be difference of opinion, but I think Tony's been subpar defensively, for his standards, so far this year.

 

[NYR]

For the sake of discussing this specific angle about ADA having a chip about proving his defensive play... hasn't he and his pair been pretty terrible defensively so far this year? If so, what should he be mad at DQ about?

DQ committed to playing him on the top pairing and he didn't even get to complete a shift.
That wouldn't piss you off?

 

[May Rih]

DQ committed to playing him on the top pairing and he didn't even get to complete a shift.
That wouldn't piss you off?

I never interpreted the comments from camp about Tony playing on the left side to move up from the 3rd pair as a "commitment", more as an option they were going to explore. So we may just be coming at it differently from the get go.

Regardless of that, I would say yes, losing out on getting top pair minutes would piss me off. Of course I'd want that opportunity. But there are different ways to respond to and deal with that setback, and I think I would handle it differently than Tony has.

 

[NYR]

I never interpreted the comments from camp about Tony playing on the left side to move up from the 3rd pair as a "commitment", more as an option they were going to explore. So we may just be coming at it differently from the get go.

Regardless of that, I would say yes, losing out on getting top pair minutes would piss me off. Of course I'd want that opportunity. But there are different ways to respond to and deal with that setback, and I think I would handle it differently than Tony has.

DQ made it very clear, publicly and it ended up in the NY Post.

How does he end up back on the 3rd pair before the game even starts?

DQ don't know what he's doing with one of the top scoring dman in the league from last year..

 

[Sayba]

I wanted to like Quinn and I did until this season. He has grossly mishandled this team. We can scapegoat ADA and he certainly has flaws but bottom line is he should have been helping us win and instead he was scratched and now off the team. I thought our PP with ADA and Fox looked great, I'll give him credit for trying that. Idk what happened after the game, but why can't that be kept in the room? Miles Wood and PK Subban fought in a scrimmage this season and they still play together.

Quinn will get his wish, let's completely rely on Fox for the offense on the backend and see how that goes.

 

[True Blue]

sorry did you actually include DeAngelo in Quinn’s development successes? The guy on waivers? Lol

Being placed on waivers has nothing to do with the steps that he took forward in his career, playing wise. Ability to play the game and being disciplined for fighting with your teammate are two different things.

and don’t even touch fox or Miller that ain’t David Quinn.

Oh, I see. They are the exception to the rule and God's gift to hockey that requires absolutely no coaching and come naturally being able to play the game at a high level. Right, that certainly makes sense.

and the two kids? They’ve got 3 pts combined. Two of the best prospects to come into the league in the last 10 years.

Only the most purposely blind would believe that Kakko or Lafreniere are playing poorly.

this is a losing argument my friend

Agreed. You should really stop arguing it.

 

[True Blue]

Does he bear no responsibility with how they have played?

Of course he does. I have said that there are some legit things that can be debated. However, what cannot be debated is that any coach in history who has received such mediocre goaltending or largely missing play from his top-6 would be in better shape.

 

[haveandare]

According to the Quinn Websters the coach has nothing to do with how the players are playing...unless they are playing well.

And according to people obsessed with blaming him for everything, every player is a product of their coach and no individual is responsible for anything they do or don’t do on the ice.

So a minority rookie was bullied under his watch? This should absolutely cost Quinn his job and probably Gorton's as well. This is a serious problem.

There’s nothing legit to suggest this ever happened.

The entire Rangers FO has been f***ing wrong so far this season. Signing JJ should've been a clear cut sign of how grossly incompetent they are. Winning the lottery doesn't make you a good GM. Miller has so far proven to be a great pick. Chytil is an NHL player, but nothing special, though many players from the 1st round don't make it so you can call it a good pick. But Lias was a bust and we have no idea of Kravstov will be a player. The Rangers lucked into Laf, but so far this season has been a disaster under any metric. The inconsistency with regards to accountability, the mediocrity of our goaltending, what seems like zero improvement so far defensively, our top guys being totally quiet. This is a nightmare of a team right now, and it's hard to see any light at the end of this tunnel with our roster and coach. I understand this was meant to be a transition year all along, but it feels like we've either sidestepped or taken a step back, without taking a significant steps forward in any meaningful way. It's still early, but the FO looks really bad right now. They were lucky to get their last two top picks. At some point DQ will have to go, and I hope it's before next season starts.

Chytil looked very special before getting hurt. Not every first round puck pans out for any team. And how is there zero improvement defensively when they went from third worst in high danger chances against just last year, to middle of the league so far this year?

 

[duhmetreE]

And according to people obsessed with blaming him for everything, every player is a product of their coach and no individual is responsible for anything they do or don’t do on the ice.

I blame him for what a coach should be doing.

This has been repeated ad nauseum.. Structurally. X's and O's. Skill sharpness. we're terrible.

Things start going bad in a game.... He knows he can call a timeout and make adjustments? rip into the team from getting away from the 'system'? Coach them?

It feels like I'm watching the Jets offense.

 

[LokiDog]

I’m fine with watching how this plays out and if the team starts to look better once a “distraction” is removed, but concerns I’ve brought up regarding actual development in the past still are relevant in my mind. Regardless, a wait and see approach is warranted here.

If the team looks exactly the same in 2 weeks, there is something other than a distraction and strained relationship that needs to be addressed. I can’t see Tony’s impact being so large that the entire team is playing unmotivated, uncoordinated hockey because he’s renting so much space in their heads and making everyone uncomfortable and on edge, but if it did have that effect on team trust and relationships, hopefully it will alleviate now.

I don’t see a coaching change happening this year, but if the Rangers entire season is poor and there is no discernible development from any of the prospects, I would say he’s on thin ice. Miller and Fox stepping in as ready difference makers isn’t “development” it’s incredible good fortune. If Chytil comes back and doesn’t breakout, finishes the year with ~20 points, Kakko and Laf both look uncertain and underwhelming, Shesty and Georgiev keep alternating games and neither gets in a groove. To me that would be sufficient at the end of the year to say we have to make a change. There’s a long way between there and now, and I’d be happy to see none of those things happen, but that’s where I’ll be paying the most attention.

 

[haveandare]

I blame him for what a coach should be doing.

This has been repeated ad nauseum.. Structurally. X's and O's. Skill sharpness. we're terrible.

Things start going bad in a game.... He knows he can call a timeout and make adjustments? rip into the team from getting away from the 'system'? Coach them?

It feels like I'm watching the Jets offense.

We’ve gone back and forth on this to the point of repetition but I’ll just say that for about half the game so far this season, the team has been greatly improved in possession and suppression of the oppositions chances. I have a hard time believing that that’s happening while there’s terrible or no structure to their strategy. Having said that, there was a point where it was all but 2 games that were good, now it’s all but 3-4, which is half the games.

Even if they aren’t getting wins, they need to be playing that way and getting those results more often because that’s key to developing the team. If they’re not going to do either regularly, then a coaching change isn’t the worst idea

 

[duhmetreE]

We’ve gone back and forth on this to the point of repetition but I’ll just say that for about half the game so far this season, the team has been greatly improved in possession and suppression of the oppositions chances. I have a hard time believing that that’s happening while there’s terrible or no structure to their strategy. Having said that, there was a point where it was all but 2 games that were good, now it’s all but 3-4, which is half the games.

Even if they aren’t getting wins, they need to be playing that way and getting those results more often because that’s key to developing the team. If they’re not going to do either regularly, then a coaching change isn’t the worst idea

I agree our possession game has been much better. Our defense has been much better. but I can't just forget everything else... Its a young team.. when things start going bad I do not see him try to correct it.

Also his personnel decisions are the foundation of my grievances.