Player Discussion David Perron (D) 2 years / 4M AAV

[Xspyrit]

Pointed out when the signing happened that this guy's production in Detroit was a smokescreen.

The 47 points he had seems impressive, until you consider he was playing beside a PPG center in Larkin all season and was getting 3 minutes of top unit PP time a game, which is nothing something he'd get here.

Maybe he'd get 40-50 points again if he were stapled to Stutzle's side all year and got top PP minutes, but obviously that's not the role he signed here to play.

Dumb signing.

Perron deserves some slack due to the situation but it was never a signing we needed. As usual, we were unfortunately right

The success rate from our GMs during this rebuild is not nearly even close to what it needs to be. We have wasted years of Chabot and Tkachuk, we're already doing the same with Stutzle, Sanderson and Batherson.

Tarasenko and Joseph vs Perron and Amadio

I'd much rather have the first duo...

Oh yeah, reminds me how my Joseph > Kubalik opinion that got quite contested last year, particularly on CF. I am also saying now that Tarasenko is better than Perron although I might say that Perron has more facets in his game, hopefully he's still able to bring it at a high enough level, at least the first year. If not, that's another potential buy out candidate.

He'll have to fight with Pinto, Greig and for PP time.


Mathieu Joseph had more even strength points than Perron last season so if he doesn't get many PP pts, he likely won't score 40 pts. Entirely dependent on Norris' (and others) health IMO. Personally, I hope he doesn't reach that plateau because it would mean that our top guys are healthy.

Perron + Amadio investment really hurts, even more when you account Mathieu Joseph's trade. I hope Jos did some really BAD things because if it was a HOCKEY decision, we're in for a lot more PAIN IMO.

 

[Xspyrit]

For all the praise he gets in Sens land, Staios has been very underwhelming.

Even the Jensen trade looks like a loss, Chychrun is having a career year.

This was always going to be a loss. We paid a 12th OA pick and two 2nd round picks to acquire him. Just based on the acquisition price, it would have required that Chychrun fits in Ottawa and extends at a reasonable price (let's say 7 M$). But it was never really the right target

I wished they traded him for a good young-ish Top-6 forward but went after a 34 y/o who thankfully looks like he'll be a good stop gap but what is the point exactly? We obviously aren't going to PEAK during these 2 seasons... well I hope! lol

lol, he’s been the Sens best defenseman, followed by Chabby. One of those trades that good for both sides.

Other way around but yeah he's been good most games, Chabot and him fit well and elevate each others' game

That said, it will NEVER be a good trade for both sides, this is a HOMERUN STEAL for the Caps. Dorion is at least 50% responsible for it.

 

[Bileur]

Here's the reality on Perron - he's now 36 years old, very financially comfortable, and is now a father of three. Not only that, the new infant came with the well documented health challenges which has been the family's sole focus. (And obviously everyone is relieved that this seems to be going well now.) Here's the hard question, which makes you a bit of a @#$# to ask but if you are an NHL GM it has to be asked - how much mind share does he now have for the physical and mental grind that is pro hockey? I like my 36 year old veterans to be like Sidney Crosby, a bachelor hockey nerd who lives, eats and breathes hockey and training 24/7. Know why Sid is so successful at his age? That's why. These are the kinds of questions that smart, ruthless GMs ask themselves about potential free agent signings - "36, father of two with a third on the way - is he all in or is he on the glide path to retirement?" It's hard to see this signing ever working out now - when he gets back he will have missed a ton of time, and a guy with declining foot speed will be yet another half step behind as a result. Maybe he summons up his competitive fire and stuffs it up my @$$ - I sure hope so, because right now this is a bad contract that will look absolutely horrendous a year from now...

Wasn’t Alfie a 40+ year old father of 4 his last year?

I think age and kids can be a factor but they don’t tell the whole story.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Here's the reality on Perron - he's now 36 years old, very financially comfortable, and is now a father of three. Not only that, the new infant came with the well documented health challenges which has been the family's sole focus. (And obviously everyone is relieved that this seems to be going well now.) Here's the hard question, which makes you a bit of a @#$# to ask but if you are an NHL GM it has to be asked - how much mind share does he now have for the physical and mental grind that is pro hockey? I like my 36 year old veterans to be like Sidney Crosby, a bachelor hockey nerd who lives, eats and breathes hockey and training 24/7. Know why Sid is so successful at his age? That's why. These are the kinds of questions that smart, ruthless GMs ask themselves about potential free agent signings - "36, father of two with a third on the way - is he all in or is he on the glide path to retirement?" It's hard to see this signing ever working out now - when he gets back he will have missed a ton of time, and a guy with declining foot speed will be yet another half step behind as a result. Maybe he summons up his competitive fire and stuffs it up my @$$ - I sure hope so, because right now this is a bad contract that will look absolutely horrendous a year from now...

How many of these Sid Crosby 36 year old veteran style guys “that you like,”
that have been underpaid, are available to get?

I think every team would like one of those guys.

So as you say, Sens need to look for the bachelor nerdy guy, with no kids, that is either Sid or plays like him at 36.

 

[Bileur]

What is going on with Perron right now anyway? Is it still the family situation or an injury?

 

[Micklebot]

What is going on with Perron right now anyway? Is it still the family situation or an injury?

Upper body Injury,

 

[SquidNasty]

Here's the reality on Perron - he's now 36 years old, very financially comfortable, and is now a father of three. Not only that, the new infant came with the well documented health challenges which has been the family's sole focus. (And obviously everyone is relieved that this seems to be going well now.) Here's the hard question, which makes you a bit of a @#$# to ask but if you are an NHL GM it has to be asked - how much mind share does he now have for the physical and mental grind that is pro hockey? I like my 36 year old veterans to be like Sidney Crosby, a bachelor hockey nerd who lives, eats and breathes hockey and training 24/7. Know why Sid is so successful at his age? That's why. These are the kinds of questions that smart, ruthless GMs ask themselves about potential free agent signings - "36, father of two with a third on the way - is he all in or is he on the glide path to retirement?" It's hard to see this signing ever working out now - when he gets back he will have missed a ton of time, and a guy with declining foot speed will be yet another half step behind as a result. Maybe he summons up his competitive fire and stuffs it up my @$$ - I sure hope so, because right now this is a bad contract that will look absolutely horrendous a year from now...

This is the harsh truth that nobody wants to say out loud

 

[LuckyPierre]

Here's the reality on Perron - he's now 36 years old, very financially comfortable, and is now a father of three. Not only that, the new infant came with the well documented health challenges which has been the family's sole focus. (And obviously everyone is relieved that this seems to be going well now.) Here's the hard question, which makes you a bit of a @#$# to ask but if you are an NHL GM it has to be asked - how much mind share does he now have for the physical and mental grind that is pro hockey? I like my 36 year old veterans to be like Sidney Crosby, a bachelor hockey nerd who lives, eats and breathes hockey and training 24/7. Know why Sid is so successful at his age? That's why. These are the kinds of questions that smart, ruthless GMs ask themselves about potential free agent signings - "36, father of two with a third on the way - is he all in or is he on the glide path to retirement?" It's hard to see this signing ever working out now - when he gets back he will have missed a ton of time, and a guy with declining foot speed will be yet another half step behind as a result. Maybe he summons up his competitive fire and stuffs it up my @$$ - I sure hope so, because right now this is a bad contract that will look absolutely horrendous a year from now...

It doesn't matter now, but I do wonder how Perron's play (and pace) would have progressed had he had a smooth onboarding to the season.

As it stands now, I agree with your take. He is permanently a step behind the play, and the pace is only going to speed up as the season goes on. I fail to see how he can contribute meaningfully moving forward, and I hope we're wrong about that.

He will get more looks moving forward, and that first goal he buries will be celebrated big time by the bench no doubt. Maybe he just needs that first one, and he settles in from there. Doubtful though.

 

[RickyLafleur]

Another terrible signing, no hindsight needed on this one.

 

[Micklebot]

Hard to get a full read on him with only 9 games,

Been playing with Pinto and Amadio when there, both guys have had their own struggles.

That said, the underlying numbers were/are really promising,
61.63 CF%
61.06 xGF%
58.21 SCF%
60.87 HDCF%

And that with fairly high QOC

 

[bicboi64]

Here's the reality on Perron - he's now 36 years old, very financially comfortable, and is now a father of three. Not only that, the new infant came with the well documented health challenges which has been the family's sole focus. (And obviously everyone is relieved that this seems to be going well now.) Here's the hard question, which makes you a bit of a @#$# to ask but if you are an NHL GM it has to be asked - how much mind share does he now have for the physical and mental grind that is pro hockey? I like my 36 year old veterans to be like Sidney Crosby, a bachelor hockey nerd who lives, eats and breathes hockey and training 24/7. Know why Sid is so successful at his age? That's why. These are the kinds of questions that smart, ruthless GMs ask themselves about potential free agent signings - "36, father of two with a third on the way - is he all in or is he on the glide path to retirement?" It's hard to see this signing ever working out now - when he gets back he will have missed a ton of time, and a guy with declining foot speed will be yet another half step behind as a result. Maybe he summons up his competitive fire and stuffs it up my @$$ - I sure hope so, because right now this is a bad contract that will look absolutely horrendous a year from now...

If Perron is okay to be moved to be closer to family, I'd be all for it just to save capspace and have more flexibility for next season.

 

[Larionov]

Wasn’t Alfie a 40+ year old father of 4 his last year?

I think age and kids can be a factor but they don’t tell the whole story.

Good point - that's why I put it in the form of a question that the GM has to ask himself. It may well be that a guy is still "all in" on hockey despite being older and having a family, and that the fire still burns for the guy. That what they pay you to find out. Similarly, I think NHL teams do a lousy job on assessing the character of their young draft picks. Sometimes you can't tell, but when the Canucks drafted Jake Virtanen, for instance, you can't tell me that there weren't people from his past - coaches, teammates, the trainer, etc. - who could have told you that the kid was a turd. He didn't just turn into one after the Canucks drafted him - he was a turd when he was 18 also. Character, motivation, life circumstances - all these things matter, yet these guys making personnel decisions for what are now billion dollar franchises invest very little time on them...

If Perron is okay to be moved to be closer to family, I'd be all for it just to save capspace and have more flexibility for next season.

He is as close to his family now as he can get without being a Montreal Canadien...

 

[bicboi64]

He is as close to his family now as he can get without being a Montreal Canadien...

See if Hughes bites. Maybe they're sold on Perron for the reasons Staios brought him to Ottawa. Take back a plug like Armia who might perform in a contract year and worst case we walk away.

Whatever Perron prefers though. Wouldn't want to move him if it adds to any bs for his family situation.

 

[jbeck5]

Here's the reality on Perron - he's now 36 years old, very financially comfortable, and is now a father of three. Not only that, the new infant came with the well documented health challenges which has been the family's sole focus. (And obviously everyone is relieved that this seems to be going well now.) Here's the hard question, which makes you a bit of a @#$# to ask but if you are an NHL GM it has to be asked - how much mind share does he now have for the physical and mental grind that is pro hockey? I like my 36 year old veterans to be like Sidney Crosby, a bachelor hockey nerd who lives, eats and breathes hockey and training 24/7. Know why Sid is so successful at his age? That's why. These are the kinds of questions that smart, ruthless GMs ask themselves about potential free agent signings - "36, father of two with a third on the way - is he all in or is he on the glide path to retirement?" It's hard to see this signing ever working out now - when he gets back he will have missed a ton of time, and a guy with declining foot speed will be yet another half step behind as a result. Maybe he summons up his competitive fire and stuffs it up my @$$ - I sure hope so, because right now this is a bad contract that will look absolutely horrendous a year from now...

And I think it's very important to mention he's already won a cup, so that burning desire to win a cup is probably not there like it is for a Giroux or Alfie.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I see it more like he basically hasn't played than sealing it as a bad signing yet. Need to see him play more games before we can write this off. Yes, he's old and he's scoreless through 9 games. Still not ready to seal the envelope on this one.

 

[Larionov]

Given that he has been out for a few games already, why would we not put Perron on LTIR and accrue some cap space?

 

[Micklebot]

Given that he has been out for a few games already, why would we not put Perron on LTIR and accrue some cap space?

You don't accrue cap space while having players on LTIR, everything gets paused (technically, you can, if you bring your cap hit below what it was when you initially placed the guy on LTIR, but that's not relevant here)

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

What's his injury exactly? I hope it's nothing related to his new born where he requested time off.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

I wonder if the upper body injury is a way to let him deal with the family issues, but allow the Senators flexibility within the cap. We all know that teams and players can manipulate LTIR so long as both sides are in agreement. As in, every player who has been playing long enough has some sort of nagging injury that can qualify for passing (or in this case failing?) the evaluation from the physician. Someone who has played as much as he does probably aches when it rains, or has a wonky elbow.

It is a bad signing at this point, but mostly due to circumstances outside any reasonable control of any person involved. I don't think it's fair to evaluate his play given the circumstances and how infrequently he has played. I didn't expect him to come in here and be a revelation or anything, I think it is pretty clear that they gave him an aggressive offer because they were trying to bring more veterans into the room, and Staios was clear about how difficult it was to acquire them in a trade. It is similar to a few years ago when Chicago aggressively went after Foligno and a few others, and even if that group of veterans weren't the mother of all signings on the ice, that wasn't really the point.

 

[Micklebot]

I wonder if the upper body injury is a way to let him deal with the family issues, but allow the Senators flexibility within the cap. We all know that teams and players can manipulate LTIR so long as both sides are in agreement. As in, every player who has been playing long enough has some sort of nagging injury that can qualify for passing (or in this case failing?) the evaluation from the physician. Someone who has played as much as he does probably aches when it rains, or has a wonky elbow.

It is a bad signing at this point, but mostly due to circumstances outside any reasonable control of any person involved. I don't think it's fair to evaluate his play given the circumstances and how infrequently he has played. I didn't expect him to come in here and be a revelation or anything, I think it is pretty clear that they gave him an aggressive offer because they were trying to bring more veterans into the room, and Staios was clear about how difficult it was to acquire them in a trade. It is similar to a few years ago when Chicago aggressively went after Foligno and a few others, and even if that group of veterans weren't the mother of all signings on the ice, that wasn't really the point.

We didn't put him on LTIR though,

Puckpedia says he's expected back on the 11th, not sure how reliable that is though

 

[darude]

It is a bad signing at this point, but mostly due to circumstances outside any reasonable control of any person involved.

Then I'd argue it's not a bad signing, just that the jury's still out. When you sign a guy you don't expect what's happened. I'm happy the team seemingly handled/is handling it the right way. Calling it a bad signing implies that somehow Staois would have an idea of this way back when they were inking the contract.

IMO we need Perron back in the lineup just to light a fire under a few butts.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Then I'd argue it's not a bad signing, just that the jury's still out. When you sign a guy you don't expect what's happened. I'm happy the team seemingly handled/is handling it the right way. Calling it a bad signing implies that somehow Staois would have an idea of this way back when they were inking the contract.

IMO we need Perron back in the lineup just to light a fire under a few butts.

I suppose a better way to phrase it would have been that the signing hasn't worked out so far, but due to reasons outside of anybody's control.

 

[ottawagm]

At least it's only 1 more year after this one and we don't really have many big raises coming next year.

I hope he can just be a reliable top 9 forward next year.

 

[Tuna99]

Pinto only really looked good when he was playing with Perron and that line could get the puck from the boards to the center of the ice and get stuff done, since Perron been out Pinto has been invisible

 

[Tuna99]

Here's the reality on Perron - he's now 36 years old, very financially comfortable, and is now a father of three. Not only that, the new infant came with the well documented health challenges which has been the family's sole focus. (And obviously everyone is relieved that this seems to be going well now.) Here's the hard question, which makes you a bit of a @#$# to ask but if you are an NHL GM it has to be asked - how much mind share does he now have for the physical and mental grind that is pro hockey? I like my 36 year old veterans to be like Sidney Crosby, a bachelor hockey nerd who lives, eats and breathes hockey and training 24/7. Know why Sid is so successful at his age? That's why. These are the kinds of questions that smart, ruthless GMs ask themselves about potential free agent signings - "36, father of two with a third on the way - is he all in or is he on the glide path to retirement?" It's hard to see this signing ever working out now - when he gets back he will have missed a ton of time, and a guy with declining foot speed will be yet another half step behind as a result. Maybe he summons up his competitive fire and stuffs it up my @$$ - I sure hope so, because right now this is a bad contract that will look absolutely horrendous a year from now...

why does Hfboards hate kids so much? It’s incel to think about another man’s kids inhibiting your fan dreams.

The solution is not more bachelors, because we’d have to trade Brady Tkachuk who is the ultimate example of kids at the rink, same with Norris and Sanderson and Batherson, Giroux has his kids there, Hamonic would have his kids there but they are chopping up a moose. players with kids win the Stanley Cup all the time.