Player Discussion David Perron (D) 2 years / 4M AAV

[Sens of Anarchy]

What's his injury exactly? I hope it's nothing related to his new born where he requested time off.

 

[Larionov]

I was being a bit flippant with my Sidney Crosby remark - this isn't a great medium for jokes or sarcasm. Hey, I am all for family - I have two kids who we spent a lifetime taking to, and participating in, every sport and activity under the sun, and we would do it all over again. My remarks on Perron are very specific to where he is in his life at this specific time, and I'm not sure that those circumstances are allowing him to give much time and mind share to his day job. Now he is injured, of course, and my concern is that when he gets back his conditioning and timing are going to be hopelessly behind.

 

[Xspyrit]

I am wondering if Perron would accept some form of contract termination? He would have to be compensated financially though so I don't even know about the legality around this.

We might have to buy him out.

Wasn’t Alfie a 40+ year old father of 4 his last year?

I think age and kids can be a factor but they don’t tell the whole story.

Alfie is a HOFer though and had an incredible endurance, almost magic powers to come back from injury

See if Hughes bites. Maybe they're sold on Perron for the reasons Staios brought him to Ottawa. Take back a plug like Armia who might perform in a contract year and worst case we walk away.

Nobody will trade for Perron right now unless you compensate with draft capital, which we really can't afford now due to inexistant asset management for years (you know the thing that some of us were complaining about for years and some others were mocking)

 

[Larionov]

Also, Perron signed his contract past age 35, so we can't even buy him out - we are on the hook for the whole deal.

 

[Big Muddy]

See if Hughes bites. Maybe they're sold on Perron for the reasons Staios brought him to Ottawa. Take back a plug like Armia who might perform in a contract year and worst case we walk away.

Whatever Perron prefers though. Wouldn't want to move him if it adds to any bs for his family situation.

LOL.

Nobody will trade for Perron right now unless you compensate with draft capital, which we really can't afford now due to inexistant asset management for years (you know the thing that some of us were complaining about for years and some others were mocking)

All we need is one really dumb GM that isn’t on his 15 team no trade list.

 

[Xspyrit]

LOL.

All we need is one really dumb GM.

Dorion is not employed at the moment so I wouldn't get my hopes up.

When you think of it, sounds a bit like when we took Stepan off the Coyotes hands. We could get a 2nd back for Perron!

 

[Big Muddy]

Dorion is not employed at the moment so I wouldn't get my hopes up.

When you think of it, sounds a bit like when we took Stepan off the Coyotes hands. We could get a 2nd back for Perron!

Ya, I’m not holding for my breath waiting for this to happen either. LOL.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Dorion is not employed at the moment so I wouldn't get my hopes up.

When you think of it, sounds a bit like when we took Stepan off the Coyotes hands. We could get a 2nd back for Perron!

That was one of the pure dumbest trades ever.

 

[Xspyrit]

That was one of the pure dumbest trades ever.

Which? Dorion actually has several contenders for that

 

[SpezDispenser]

Which? Dorion actually has several contenders for that

The Stepan trade - in a vacuum - was ok, but paying a 2nd and retaining nothing was beyond stupid.

 

[BigRig4]

The Stepan trade - in a vacuum - was ok, but paying a 2nd and retaining nothing was beyond stupid.

Yeah, it’s one of those moves where it’s fine to bring in warm body vets if you’re rebuilding. You just expect to either get them free or get assets for taking them on. We did the reverse uno and it made zero sense.

 

[Xspyrit]

The Stepan trade - in a vacuum - was ok, but paying a 2nd and retaining nothing was beyond stupid.

On July 22nd 2021, the Arizona Coyotes acquired Shayne Gostisbehere, a 2022 2nd round pick and a 2022 7th round pick from the Flyers as a cap dump. Not even 2 years later, they traded him to the Hurricanes for a 2026 3rd round pick

A 2nd + 3rd + 7th for a D-man who had 2 years at 4.5 AAV and scored 82 pts in 134 games for them.

That's how you rebuild.

On August 18th 2022, the Montreal Canadiens acquired Sean Monahan and a 2025 conditional 1st round pick from the Flames as a cap dump. Not even 2 years later, they traded him to the Jets for a 2024 1st round pick and a 2027 conditional 3rd round pick

Two 1st + 3rd for a forward who had only one year at 6.375 AAV and scored 52 pts in 74 games for them.

That's also how you rebuild.

In the meantime, we had Pierre Dorion and the results speak for itself.

Gostisbehere or Monahan >>> Stepan yet we paid a 2nd round pick...

I would say this defines Dorion era well but the way he managed Ryan Dzingel's return is even more telling IMO. Or that Gustavsson for Talbot trade (or Zibanejad for Brassard). Others would argue the Duchene, DeBrincat and Chychrun debacles or even the Dadonov fiasco. Oh what about the Boucher pick?

How many Erat for Forsberg level trades can one GM make? I mean, this guy had all the time in the world to sabotage this franchise and here we are.

 

[Micklebot]

I hope Perron can come back soon and re-write the narrative on this signing.

His underlying numbers are actually some of the best on the team

xGF% 61.06
SCF% 58.21
HDCF% 60.87

He's lost a step to be sure, but I'd rather him in the top 6 over Greig, or Amadio.

 

[DrEasy]

I hope Perron can come back soon and re-write the narrative on this signing.

His underlying numbers are actually some of the best on the team

xGF% 61.06
SCF% 58.21
HDCF% 60.87

He's lost a step to be sure, but I'd rather him in the top 6 over Greig, or Amadio.

Or Giroux, to be honest...

 

[DJB]

This guy is such a waste of space. Why were clamouring for this guy and used assets to move the better player in Joseph is beyond me.

“Oh yes good in the room”

Can’t wait for him to be gone.

 

[Micklebot]

This guy is such a waste of space. Why were clamouring for this guy and used assets to move the better player in Joseph is beyond me.

“Oh yes good in the room”

Can’t wait for him to be gone.

I don't get how you can have such strong opinions on a guy that's barely had the chance to play due to personal circumstances and an injury,

Guy was snake bitten in the games he played too, at 5v5

2nd on the team in xiGF/60
2nd in iSF/60
3rd in iCF/60
3rd in iSCF/60
5th in iHDCF/60
1st in Rebounds created /60

1st CF%
1st SH%
1st xGF%
2nd SCF%
1st HDCF%

I don't think those numbers will continue when he's back, but I do think he will give us a boost.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I don't get how you can have such strong opinions on a guy that's barely had the chance to play due to personal circumstances and an injury,

Guy was snake bitten in the games he played too, at 5v5

2nd on the team in xiGF/60
2nd in iSF/60
3rd in iCF/60
3rd in iSCF/60
5th in iHDCF/60
1st in Rebounds created /60

1st CF%
1st SH%
1st xGF%
2nd SCF%
1st HDCF%

I don't think those numbers will continue when he's back, but I do think he will give us a boost.

He has been snake bit as well when he's been in.. Several good scoring chances.
If we can get him back and get a couple of these guys scoring on their chances we can get on the right end on some of these close games

 

[Micklebot]

He has been snake bit as well when he's been in.. Several good scoring chances.
If we can get him back and get a couple of these guys scoring on their chances we can get on the right end on some of these close games

Snake bit, plus an assist stolen by a ref dying to make a terrible call...

I think having him back gets guys slotted more appropriately.

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
Giroux-Stu-Perron (not sure about who plays which wing, they both prefer the right I think)
Greig-Pinto-Amadio
Cousins/Gregor-Ostapchuk-Gaudette

Not sure who of Ostapchuk, Cousins, or Gregor comes out, but I like any combination for that fourth line, and if gives us a 13th forward that can keep guys honest knowing a legit NHL player is breathing down your back.

After that we just need Zub in and Hamonic out.

 

[LuckyPierre]

Snake bit, plus an assist stolen by a ref dying to make a terrible call...

I think having him back gets guys slotted more appropriately.

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
Giroux-Stu-Perron (not sure about who plays which wing, they both prefer the right I think)
Greig-Pinto-Amadio
Cousins/Gregor-Ostapchuk-Gaudette

Not sure who of Ostapchuk, Cousins, or Gregor comes out, but I like any combination for that fourth line, and if gives us a 13th forward that can keep guys honest knowing a legit NHL player is breathing down your back.

After that we just need Zub in and Hamonic out.

That second line would be painful to watch. Two of the slowest forwards in the show, with one of the fastest. We would see Timmy burn out in real time, while the other two fall over and take old man stick infractions.

Perron, when he's back, should be on the fourth line where he would be expected to produce. If a bubble player like Gaudette could, David Perron on a two year contract could. And it's Gaudette who should be up with Timmy.

 

[Xspyrit]

This guy is such a waste of space. Why were clamouring for this guy and used assets to move the better player in Joseph is beyond me.

“Oh yes good in the room”

Can’t wait for him to be gone.

It's worse than that, we moved Joseph (2.95 AAV) and then signed Michael Amadio (2.6 AAV)

Perron (4.0 AAV) replaced Tarasenko (had a 5.0 AAV)

We need Perron to be back and efficient (or something needs to happen), can't afford to have 8.6 M$ in him and Zub not playing since there's already 6.35M$ being useless in Pinto and Amadio, plus Hamonic not being NHL level. We're just not good enough for all that dead money.

What sucks is Korpisalo 1 M$ in dead cap is offset this season with a negative 625 K$ for Colin White but Colin's dead cap is back to $875,000 for the next 3 seasons.

Snake bit, plus an assist stolen by a ref dying to make a terrible call...

It was a Stutzle's goal, no? Why did it get called back again?

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
Giroux-Stu-Perron
Greig-Pinto-Amadio
Cousins/Gregor-Ostapchuk-Gaudette

Stutzle needs guys who can play at his speed. Batherson + Tkachuk or Gaudette

 

[Micklebot]

It was a Stutzle's goal, no? Why did it get called back again?

It got called back because the back checker reached in and dropped his stick. They called a penalty on Stu.

Stutzle needs guys who can play at his speed. Batherson + Tkachuk or Gaudette

Stutzle doesn't need anyone, he's one of the few players on this team that can create on his own.

 

[Xspyrit]

It got called back because the back checker reached in and dropped his stick. They called a penalty on Stu.

Yeah I remember being quite frustrated, which game/date was it?

Stutzle doesn't need anyone, he's one of the few players on this team that can create on his own.

That is 100% true but he can't put all the pucks in the net himself. He still needs players able to play at his pace, his passes are very quick and strong. Giroux has unfortunately lost a step and Perron is also 36 y/o while having missed pretty much all season so far. He needs "faster" players

 

[Micklebot]

Yeah I remember being quite frustrated, which game/date was it?

Carolina game where they also gave Norris (or was it Batherson) 2 for slashing the ice

That is 100% true but he can't put all the pucks in the net himself. He still needs players able to play at his pace, his passes are very quick and strong. Giroux has unfortunately lost a step and Perron is also 36 y/o while having missed pretty much all season so far. He needs "faster" players

Having some faster guys might help off the rush, but Giroux and Perron are smart players that know how to find the seams and get open. I don't think they'd have any issues

 

[aragorn]

A bottom feeder would take Perron, but it will cost assets & we are already on the hook to give away a 1st rd draft pick in one of the next two drafts. IMO we should start looking at Chabot who is constantly giving the puck away & Zub who seems to be having a number of injury problems. I like Zub, but this team needs a healthy defence right now. IMO Kleven & JBD have been decent together for two rookies in the lineup. Yakemchuk might be able to replace Zub next yr but unless someone in Belleville can step up when needed they are very thin on defence.

P.S. - nice to see Ostapchuk step up in that Nashville game against a pretty tough player, was that his first NHL fight?

 

[Xspyrit]

Sanderson has a higher GVA/60 rate than Chabot so far this season. Hamonic is up there too even if he barely handles the puck lol

This team without Chabot would be hard to watch at ES

Maybe Jensen would help Sanderson find his game but the pairings after them would get destroyed.

Carolina game where they also gave Norris (or was it Batherson) 2 for slashing the ice

Oh yeah, one of the most ridiculous goals waved off I have ever seen, interference for a stick motion preparing for a one-timer.

Having some faster guys might help off the rush, but Giroux and Perron are smart players that know how to find the seams and get open. I don't think they'd have any issues

I was not talking about skating, don't think Giroux and Perron can play at Stutzle's pace at this point in their careers.