Player Discussion David Krejci V

[DarrenBanks56]

You speaking of Marc-Andre Bergeron? Yeah he was not good

you think bergeron has good hands??
and a good shot?? he has everything else but those 2 he does not have

 

[TaroTsujimoto]

bergeron has horrible hands and a horrible shot. but the guy is so smart. if he actually had good hands and a shot he would be the best player in the league.
with krejci linemates bergy prob gets similar to coyle numbers

I don't think Bergeron has horrible hands, though they are nothing too special. In terms of his shot, he has a mediocre wrist shot and probably would not have managed to roof the puck like Krejci did in OT. He has a good snap shot though.

 

[Mainehockey33]

When I went to a game last year I watched Krejci and Marchand make cross ice passes and one timers after warm up. I’m not sure how long they’ve been doing this but it looked like they both work on one timers quite a bit.

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

bergeron has horrible hands and a horrible shot. but the guy is so smart. if he actually had good hands and a shot he would be the best player in the league.
with krejci linemates bergy prob gets similar to coyle numbers

OH boy....horrible hands!
Guy will probably be a career 1000 points with what atleast 4 seasons with 30 goals but hey he has a horrible shot and hands!

 

[Sevendust]

you think bergeron has good hands??
and a good shot?? he has everything else but those 2 he does not have

Absolutely, I even would say great. Not elite but great. You dont steal pucks, win that much faceoffs and score that much points with bad/average hands

 

[LSCII]

Absolutely, I even would say great. Not elite but great. You dont steal pucks, win that much faceoffs and score that much points with bad/average hands

This is exactly right. Face off winning percentage alone proves he's got great hands. It's laughable to suggest he has bad hands, but agenda driven posts are everywhere.

 

[Aussie Bruin]

Bergy's hands are fine. They're not absolutely elite by NHL standards, but they're more than capable. Krejci's are better though, probably better than anybody's on the current roster except Marchand. His puck control is top shelf. His shooting is better than Bergy's too - his one-timer has become a weapon and his wrister packs a real punch. Bergeron knows his shooting strengths - around the net and in the slot - and he tends to stick to them. He's generally really good in those areas, but he's been struggling a bit with his shot this season. I'm guessing his lingering groin issues have contributed to that.

For mine, where Bergy has the edge is in his defensive play, his record on the dot, his ability to seize the big moments and his general reading of the play and smarts to know what to do and where to be at the right times. As he's slipped just slightly past his peak and battled his injury, while Krejci's back to playing his best hockey, the narrow gap between them's probably just about disappeared and right now I think you can see that you can put both at 1C and, while the methodology will be slightly different, the results will be much the same.

For the playoffs a fit Bergeron on the 1st line still has to be the ultimate goal, but if he's still not quite there then I'd be confident that Krej could slot in there and do a fine job.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

bergy is my fav bruin of all time aside from cam and chara.
but his hands arent silky. dont care what you guys say.
his puck steals are mainly from his hockey iq and how he reads plays and other players.
i just said if bergy had krejci linemates his numbers would be what coyle has put up. krejci for the wingers he has had over the past couple years has put up great numbers.

 

[Rubber Biscuit]

i just said if bergy had krejci linemates his numbers would be what coyle has put up.

Forget the hands, this is the real outrageous part

 

[KrejciMVP]

Instead of always comparing Krejci and Bergeon which is pretty meaningless. I'd rather see how they can improve the roster so both can compete with Backstrom Kuznetsov and Point Stamkos this April

 

[Rubber Biscuit]

Instead of always comparing Krejci and Bergeon which is pretty meaningless. I'd rather see how they can improve the roster so both can compete with Backstrom Kuznetsov and Point Stamkos this April

They should definitely upgrade the roster but they can already compete with those guys

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

bergy is my fav bruin of all time aside from cam and chara.
but his hands arent silky. dont care what you guys say.
his puck steals are mainly from his hockey iq and how he reads plays and other players.
i just said if bergy had krejci linemates his numbers would be what coyle has put up. krejci for the wingers he has had over the past couple years has put up great numbers.

Right on DK. I think he did a great job and still is doing it. But again prt of your post imo is partly fault. Bergeron did add good numbers on chart threw the years playing with lesser teamates than DK in tougher position thru the years. Why would it be different now? Since the last couple of years, Bergeron is playing with 2 very good and gifted wingers which certainly helps his numbers. But you ar now comparing Bergeron to Coyle.....
I have been asking for a moment that DK and Pastrnak plays together while Bergy and Marchand do the dirty work against top opponents. Bergeron might be one of your favorite but probably for some other reason than how he plays the game of hockey.

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

Instead of always comparing Krejci and Bergeon which is pretty meaningless. I'd rather see how they can improve the roster so both can compete with Backstrom Kuznetsov and Point Stamkos this April

Wow. I Agreewith this and they need Pastrnak on DK wing.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

Forget the hands, this is the real outrageous part

bergy is a 50 point player if he had kuhlman and debrusk as his wings.

 

[JAD]

Wow. I Agreewith this and they need Pastrnak on DK wing.

You keep Marchand and Pastrnak together (for now) the team is winning. If it ain't broke don't fit it.

I know it's gone on and on, but there is a lot of time to find that RW fix for this season. All in due time.

 

[DiggityDog]

So I’ve read a few messages in this thread and I’m seeing that Bergeron has bad hands and a terrible shot.

He’s a five time 30 goal scorer which is an obvious indication his shot sucks. Accurate assessment there.

And his bad hands? What are you basing this on? Will he dangle through three guys and score? Probably not, he will make the best and most efficient play available to him which is elite players do. He won’t cough the puck trying some sick dangle like Pastrnak and even Marchand do from time to time. It’s cool when it happens, but give me the steady, responsible, and efficient play everyday of the week.

Could a guy with bad hands be as outstanding in the face off circle as he is? Or perhaps have his unparalleled stick positioning ability? Bergeron has outstanding hands. He just isn’t a flashy player like some of his more offensively geared teammates.

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

You keep Marchand and Pastrnak together (for now) the team is winning. If it ain't broke don't fit it.

I know it's gone on and on, but there is a lot of time to find that RW fix for this season. All in due time.

Maybe they will find someone... but in a physical tight game, Pastrnak and Marchand need to be split. Said it last year in PO and still beleive the same. I hope i am wrong but i think it will be the same in this PO unless Bergeron ain’t injured and can patch their defensive flaws...

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

bergy is a 50 point player if he had kuhlman and debrusk as his wings.

Ok ... Bergy is only a 50 pts players, bad hands and no shots. Got ya

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

bergy is a 50 point player if he had kuhlman and debrusk as his wings.

i mean...this is probably true, but it does nothing to support your claim that he has horrible hands & shot. 2nd line players get limited minutes compared to first line players.

Bergeron has a wicked snap shot...he's a lethal shooter from the bumper spot on the PP. He also moves the puck with incredible deftness from that spot. He constantly makes perfect one-touch passes and some really nice deflections as the PP1 bumper. the threat of his accurate, quick release from that spot combined with his ability to move the puck with one-touch to the open man is a big part of what makes that unit so dangerous. His hands and shot literally enable the other 4 guys to do their thing because it makes their puck movement so unpredictable.

With that said, his skillset is very focused on a certain set of situations and he obviously doesn't have the arsenal of tools that a guy like Crosby has.

 

[HellFish89]

Right on DK. I think he did a great job and still is doing it. But again prt of your post imo is partly fault. Bergeron did add good numbers on chart threw the years playing with lesser teamates than DK in tougher position thru the years. Why would it be different now? Since the last couple of years, Bergeron is playing with 2 very good and gifted wingers which certainly helps his numbers. But you ar now comparing Bergeron to Coyle.....
I have been asking for a moment that DK and Pastrnak plays together while Bergy and Marchand do the dirty work against top opponents. Bergeron might be one of your favorite but probably for some other reason than how he plays the game of hockey.

seasons ....... Bergeron ... Krejci
2008-2009 ......... not fair to Bergy, he was just returning from his concussion.
2009-2010 .... 52 ............... 52 .......... Both had crappy linemate, nobody else on the team reach the 45 pts that year.
2010-2011 ..... 57 ............... 62 .......... Krejci played with Horton-Lucic, Bergy with rookie Marchand and Recchi. Quality of linemate advantage Krejci
2011-2012 ..... 64 ............... 62 .......... Krejci played with Horton-Lucic, Bergy with Seguin-Marchand. Quality of linemate advantage Bergeron
2012-2013 ..... 32 ............... 33 .......... Krejci played with Horton-Lucic, Bergy with Seguin-Marchand. Quality of linemate advantage Bergeron
2013-2014 ..... 62 .............. 69 ........... Krejci played with Lucic-Iginla, Bergy with Marchand-Smith. Qola = Krejci
2014-2015 ..... 55 ............... 31 ........... Krejci played with Lucic-Erikson ?!? not sure, Bergy with Marchand-Smith. Qola = Bergeron
2015-2016 ..... 68 .............. 63 ........... Krejci played with Erikson-Belesky, Bergy with Marchand Connolly. Qola = Bergeron
2016-2017 ..... 53 .............. 54 ............ Krejci played with Backes-Stafford-Belesky-Vatrano-Cehlarik-Hayes . Bergy played with Marchand-Pastrnak. Qola = Bergeron
2017-2018 .... 63 ............... 44 ........... Krejci played with Rookie Debrusk-??? before Nash, can't remember, Bergy played with Marchand-Pastrnak. Qola = Bergeron
2018-2019 .... 79 .............. 73 ............ Krejci played with Debrusk-Nordstrom-Cehlarik-Backes, Bergy played with Marchand-Pastrnak. Qola = Bergeron
2019-2020 ... 24 ............... 19 ............. Krejci plays with Debrusk-Heinen-Bjork-Colye, Bergy play with Marchand-Pastrnak. Qola = Bergeron
11 seasons Total 609 ....... 562 ............. Qola: Krejci 2 ; Bergy 8

Of those 11 years, Bergeron led his line in scoring 5 times, Krejci 9 times.

Love Bergeron, always will, but on those last 11 years he was in a MUCH BETTER situation to produce offensive number than Krejci and the difference between the two is only 47 pts total, 4 pts a year. Not much I'd say.

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

seasons ....... Bergeron ... Krejci
2008-2009 ......... not fair to Bergy, he was just returning from his concussion.
2009-2010 .... 52 ............... 52 .......... Both had crappy linemate, nobody else on the team reach the 45 pts that year.
2010-2011 ..... 57 ............... 62 .......... Krejci played with Horton-Lucic, Bergy with rookie Marchand and Recchi. Quality of linemate advantage Krejci
2011-2012 ..... 64 ............... 62 .......... Krejci played with Horton-Lucic, Bergy with Seguin-Marchand. Quality of linemate advantage Bergeron
2012-2013 ..... 32 ............... 33 .......... Krejci played with Horton-Lucic, Bergy with Seguin-Marchand. Quality of linemate advantage Bergeron
2013-2014 ..... 62 .............. 69 ........... Krejci played with Lucic-Iginla, Bergy with Marchand-Smith. Qola = Krejci
2014-2015 ..... 55 ............... 31 ........... Krejci played with Lucic-Erikson ?!? not sure, Bergy with Marchand-Smith. Qola = Bergeron
2015-2016 ..... 68 .............. 63 ........... Krejci played with Erikson-Belesky, Bergy with Marchand Connolly. Qola = Bergeron
2016-2017 ..... 53 .............. 54 ............ Krejci played with Backes-Stafford-Belesky-Vatrano-Cehlarik-Hayes . Bergy played with Marchand-Pastrnak. Qola = Bergeron
2017-2018 .... 63 ............... 44 ........... Krejci played with Rookie Debrusk-??? before Nash, can't remember, Bergy played with Marchand-Pastrnak. Qola = Bergeron
2018-2019 .... 79 .............. 73 ............ Krejci played with Debrusk-Nordstrom-Cehlarik-Backes, Bergy played with Marchand-Pastrnak. Qola = Bergeron
2019-2020 ... 24 ............... 19 ............. Krejci plays with Debrusk-Heinen-Bjork-Colye, Bergy play with Marchand-Pastrnak. Qola = Bergeron
11 seasons Total 609 ....... 562 ............. Qola: Krejci 2 ; Bergy 8

Of those 11 years, Bergeron led his line in scoring 5 times, Krejci 9 times.

Love Bergeron, always will, but on those last 11 years he was in a MUCH BETTER situation to produce offensive number than Krejci and the difference between the two is only 47 pts total, 4 pts a year. Not much I'd say.

Nice work. My pov:
Before Cassidy, Bergeron was not utilized in an O role. You also refer to players as they are now without putting them in perspective in each respective year. Seguin was a rookie, same as Pastrnak and MARCHAND when they started with Bergeron.
Marchand exploded under Cassidy.
Bergeron was not on the first pp with Julien on some of these years. I can say the same with DK under Cassidy though.
My point is that Bergeron would get his fair numbers as he always had, even in his beginning year playing with Debrusk. You simply did not take in your argument Bergeron defensive role under CJ and that is my main point. Bergeron was the shutdown center under CJ and still manage to produce at a pretty good level.
I am not arguing that DK would not have the same or better numbers playing with 63 and 88... I am saying some are throwing Bergeron as if he was a third line center without hands and shot despite having the privilege of seeing this player produce, being clutch and adding 837 points up to now. My argument still stands, for much years Bergeron had tougher assignments and lesser teamates and still manage adding points.

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

Nice work. My pov:
Before Cassidy, Bergeron was not utilized in an O role. You also refer to players as they are now without putting them in perspective in each respective year. Seguin was a rookie, same as Pastrnak and MARCHAND when they started with Bergeron.
Marchand exploded under Cassidy.
Bergeron was not on the first pp with Julien on some of these years. I can say the same with DK under Cassidy though.
My point is that Bergeron would get his fair numbers as he always had, even in his beginning year playing with Debrusk. You simply did not take in your argument Bergeron defensive role under CJ and that is my main point. Bergeron was the shutdown center under CJ and still manage to produce at a pretty good level.
I am not arguing that DK would not have the same or better numbers playing with 63 and 88... I am saying some are throwing Bergeron as if he was a third line center without hands and shot despite having the privilege of seeing this player produce, being clutch and adding 837 points up to now. My argument still stands, for much years Bergeron had tougher assignments and lesser teamates and still manage adding points.

Iforgot to add... and he would do the same if playing with Debrusk which is not a dumbell winger btw

 

[Gordon Lightfoot]

“Horrible” is such a dramatic term. Paille had “horrible” hands.

 

[CDJ]

I don’t see why we need to put down one elite Bruin to prop up another elite Bruin, that’s just me though

They’ll both be in the rafters. I think Bergeron is the better overall hockey player but offensively they do different things well

I hope somebody didn’t say Bergeron has a bad shot though, that’s just absurd. He’s not a weapon of mass destruction like Pastrnak is but he’s pretty damn good at shooting the puck when he’s healthy

 

[HellFish89]

Nice work. My pov:
Before Cassidy, Bergeron was not utilized in an O role. You also refer to players as they are now without putting them in perspective in each respective year. Seguin was a rookie, same as Pastrnak and MARCHAND when they started with Bergeron.
Marchand exploded under Cassidy.
Bergeron was not on the first pp with Julien on some of these years. I can say the same with DK under Cassidy though.
My point is that Bergeron would get his fair numbers as he always had, even in his beginning year playing with Debrusk. You simply did not take in your argument Bergeron defensive role under CJ and that is my main point. Bergeron was the shutdown center under CJ and still manage to produce at a pretty good level.
I am not arguing that DK would not have the same or better numbers playing with 63 and 88... I am saying some are throwing Bergeron as if he was a third line center without hands and shot despite having the privilege of seeing this player produce, being clutch and adding 837 points up to now. My argument still stands, for much years Bergeron had tougher assignments and lesser teamates and still manage adding points.

I think you missread everything in my post, if that's the conclusion you get. I did put it into perspective, Seguin didn't play with Bergy when he was a rookie, same with Pasta who didn't played with him in his two first years. In fact, the 1st season they both play with Bergeron they outscore him. I also did write rookie Marchand, because he did play with Marchand when he was a rookie and for that reason, I gave the edge in Qola to Krejci that year. What I showed is Bergy had better teamates almost all the time ...


Krejci also had alot of defensive responsability at the time the Bruins were contender, playing on the pk and in the last minute of a game with a one goal lead.

Other than that, while Bergy as slow down this year (hoping due to injury) and while he is defenitly less creative than Pasta, Marchand, Krejci, Seguin, his IQ and work ethic have made him a consistent point producer for the Bruins since the begining of his career and in those though years when there weren't much talent to help him, he did produce and he did lead the team, something Coyle wouldn't be able to do, unless we are really bad.

To me both Krejci and Bergeron are/were 1a and 1b. Krejci is like a 90 offense 80 defense, while Bergeron is a 80 offense 100 defense.