Player Discussion David Krejci. IV

[Blowfish]

Pertaining to the Bruins' forwards, I think Cehlarik's ability to pass the puck rivals Krejci's. However, I can see why the Bruins may be concerned with his pace of play. I think it has less to do with how fast he can skate and more to do with his decision making. We saw it in his short stint with the Bruins. His passing was incredible, but he was prone to turning the puck over with his attempts. In today's NHL, turning the puck over in the neutral or offensive zones could very well lead to a breakaway or odd-man rush by the other team. From reading Divver and others that cover and watch Providence Bruins play, it sounds like he is still having trouble addressing that area of his game. Now, I wouldn't be opposed to the Bruins giving him another shot, but let's see what a line of DeBrusk-Krejci-Pastrnak can do.

This is a very fair assessment. He did make some questionable passes / perhaps trying too much however I see many players doing the same thing. Marchand is one them but I would never question him other than to roll my eyes and acknowledge Marchand has a tendency of doing this from time to time.

With Cehlarik Zach Blidth Fitz it's a numbers game that's impacting them ranging from a bruin healthy forward squad, NHL ice time promises, waiver rights, to games played.

 

[rocketdan9]

This is a very fair assessment. He did make some questionable passes / perhaps trying too much however I see many players doing the same thing. Marchand is one them but I would never question him other than to roll my eyes and acknowledge Marchand has a tendency of doing this from time to time.

With Cehlarik Zach Blidth Fitz it's a numbers game that's impacting them ranging from a bruin healthy forward squad, NHL ice time promises, waiver rights, to games played.

Celly now is #2 scorer down at Prov. 20 pts in 28 games after a slowish start

Seems like whenever you see a PRO game boxscore these days he is potting at least a point

Wouldn't hurt to see him up one more time before traded by the deadline? Last season there were rumors that a few teams were inquiring about him

 

[Gee Wally]

Get back on subject or go to another thread.

 

[BigGoalBrad]

Celly now is #2 scorer down at Prov. 20 pts in 28 games after a slowish start

Seems like whenever you see a PRO game boxscore these days he is potting at least a point

Wouldn't hurt to see him up one more time before traded by the deadline? Last season there were rumors that a few teams were inquiring about him

Yeah I think the fact that he didn't get a shot with all the recent injuries is the nail in his coffin. One more look would be nice but can't see it happening.

 

[Blowfish]

Yeah I think the fact that he didn't get a shot with all the recent injuries is the nail in his coffin. One more look would be nice but can't see it happening.

Only 2 forward injuries to date - that's not horrible by any means...the d was unbelievable.

The positive with Krejci is he has proven he's still got it...just needs one good speedy creative winger. Nash wasn't that. Hoping Don either tries someone from Providence (my preference is Zach or Cehlarik) or a Stone/Panarin.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

krejci better centering marchand and pasta tomorrow nite or hes a wasted center.

hopefully debrusk is back and put him with bergeron. maybe donato on his rw???

 

[LouJersey]

krejci better centering marchand and pasta tomorrow nite or hes a wasted center.

hopefully debrusk is back and put him with bergeron. maybe donato on his rw???

Shows the Bruins should have done what they needed to with Skinner or another highly skilled winger. He still has all the skills just needs another above average winger

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

krejci better centering marchand and pasta tomorrow nite or hes a wasted center.

hopefully debrusk is back and put him with bergeron. maybe donato on his rw???

in Edmonton they sy 'drasaitl cant generate his own line'
i say why the hell pay him 8.5 million dollars then?

obviously the reality is drasailt can do more to generage a line than broziak or kharia can. maybe hes not as good as McDavid. he might not even be as good as ryan Hopkins? but when you pay him 8.5 you are just wanting him to do what hes capable of... be better than brozak and kharia.

so is krejci as good as Bergeron? is he wasted if Bergeron has better wingers? is he not as capable as backes or Nordstrom or kuraly to make a second line better?

we are paying krecji 7 mill per year and we have been doing it for a few years. as long, as hes better than the guys making 3 and 4 million per year then hes not being wasted.

we want someone with talent on the second line... someone that makes the second line more dangerous. if krecji cant increase the threat leavel of the second line to be offensive then he shouldn't be getting paid. and if he is getting paid then he damn well should be able to add something to the second line.

honestly he does...

honestly... if people think hes being wasted its just a measure of how they perceive the game. it tells us they they cant appreciate a players performance unless it shows up in the stat line. if the ONLY time fans appreciate krejci is when he got an assist then those fans don't see the big picture.

luckily the coach is more capable of figuring out the best way to maximize the value of the players. Bergeron will be kept with marchand and those 2 will dominate. or... marchand will be kept with pastrnak. or marchand will be kept with both pastrnak and Bergeron.

its ok... krecji will make whoever he plays with a bit more dangerous on the second line. i wish krecji was good enough to make the second line good all by himself but the only player we have on the team that can make a line that good all by himself is marchand.

 

[KrejciMVP]

in Edmonton they sy 'drasaitl cant generate his own line'
i say why the hell pay him 8.5 million dollars then?

obviously the reality is drasailt can do more to generage a line than broziak or kharia can. maybe hes not as good as McDavid. he might not even be as good as ryan Hopkins? but when you pay him 8.5 you are just wanting him to do what hes capable of... be better than brozak and kharia.

so is krejci as good as Bergeron? is he wasted if Bergeron has better wingers? is he not as capable as backes or Nordstrom or kuraly to make a second line better?

we are paying krecji 7 mill per year and we have been doing it for a few years. as long, as hes better than the guys making 3 and 4 million per year then hes not being wasted.

we want someone with talent on the second line... someone that makes the second line more dangerous. if krecji cant increase the threat leavel of the second line to be offensive then he shouldn't be getting paid. and if he is getting paid then he damn well should be able to add something to the second line.

honestly he does...

honestly... if people think hes being wasted its just a measure of how they perceive the game. it tells us they they cant appreciate a players performance unless it shows up in the stat line. if the ONLY time fans appreciate krejci is when he got an assist then those fans don't see the big picture.

luckily the coach is more capable of figuring out the best way to maximize the value of the players. Bergeron will be kept with marchand and those 2 will dominate. or... marchand will be kept with pastrnak. or marchand will be kept with both pastrnak and Bergeron.

its ok... krecji will make whoever he plays with a bit more dangerous on the second line. i wish krecji was good enough to make the second line good all by himself but the only player we have on the team that can make a line that good all by himself is marchand.

How did Marchand and Pasta do with cave on the 1st line ? Krejci cant make a line better all by himself just the same Pasta and Marchand dont make Cave a 1st line center. That's unrealistic. Is he supposed to shoot the puck to after he makes a set up for the RW?

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

How did Marchand and Pasta do with cave on the 1st line ? Krejci cant make a line better all by himself just the same Pasta and Marchand dont make Cave a 1st line center. That's unrealistic. Is he supposed to shoot the puck to after he makes a set up for the RW?

And let's not forget that Bergeron's point totals with Marchand and without Pastrnak...

57, 64, 62, 55, 68, 53.

Pastrnak is the key to that line and is the biggest part to Bergeron and Marchand scoring jump.

Same way playing with wingers that everyone on here calls garbage, no skill, and AHLers makes Krejci look bad.

No one can make chicken salad out of chicken shit

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

How did Marchand and Pasta do with cave on the 1st line ? Krejci cant make a line better all by himself just the same Pasta and Marchand dont make Cave a 1st line center. That's unrealistic. Is he supposed to shoot the puck to after he makes a set up for the RW?

krecji is supposed to make ANYONE he plays with better... why did you mention cave ? cave is a minimum wage ahl player right?

marchand and pastrnak were the 2 best players on the team with cave... and they were also the 2 best players on the team with krejci. I would say that pastrnak looked very hurt for awhile. guys get hurt. they get hurt even fi they have a better center. when a shooter cant shoot... no center can help him much.

between December 6 and dec 20 krecji had an 8 game scoring streak where he had 11 points. it was pretty good. in the 4 games before that he had 0 points and in the 2 games after he had 0 points. so he had managed points in 8 of 14 games

between December 6 and dec 20 marchand had 4 goals and 8 assists in 6 of 8 games. he had a goal and 2 assists in the 4 games before. and a very healthy 5 points in the 2 games since. so with krecji 12 points 8 games and without krecji 8 points in 6 games. pretty much know measurable improvement with krejci.

pastrnak did pretty well with krecji… from dec 5 until dec 20 he had 3 goals and 11 assists for 14 points. in the 4 games before he had 2 goals and 2 assists... in the 2 games since he has 1 goal and 2 assists

so its a bit of a myth in a way to say that marchand/pastrnak were much better with krejci. he was undoubtedly much better but did he really make the line more dominant?

pick an 8 game segment of the season with Bergeron as the center and does it measure up?

krecji is a fine second line center... and he helps us. but to try to say he HAS TO PLAY WITH MARCHAND TO BE USEFUL really sells him short. you of all people should give him more credit then that. hes a good player and hes good even when hes not with marchand.

but we don't need him riding marchands coat tailes and putting the player before the team. the team is better with Bergeron playing with marchand

 

[shoulders7]

And let's not forget that Bergeron's point totals with Marchand and without Pastrnak...

57, 64, 62, 55, 68, 53.

Pastrnak is the key to that line and is the biggest part to Bergeron and Marchand scoring jump.

Same way playing with wingers that everyone on here calls garbage, no skill, and AHLers makes Krejci look bad.

No one can make chicken salad out of chicken ****

The elite players certainly have made plenty of chicken salad, lemieux with rob brown and others, Crosby with Kunitz, sheary, etc. Krejci isn’t at that level and I’m not saying that he should be doing that, just pointing out that plenty of chicken salad has been made from chicken sh** over the years.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

The elite players certainly have made plenty of chicken salad, lemieux with rob brown and others, Crosby with Kunitz, sheary, etc. Krejci isn’t at that level and I’m not saying that he should be doing that, just pointing out that plenty of chicken salad has been made from chicken sh** over the years.

1st off, yeah...one of the 4 best players in hockey history can make bad players good. what does that have to do with this?

people constantly blame guys like Sheary and Guentzel for holding back Crosby. Not to mention those wingers are usually gone after 1 year with him because it doesnt work. Kunitz is a good player, regardless of Crosby.

or how about McDavid not being able to make Lucic score more than .25 ppg?


That Bergeron sure made stars out of Stempniak, Smith, Connolly...right?

 

[rocketdan9]

marchand and pastrnak were the 2 best players on the team with cave... and they were also the 2 best players on the team with krejci. I would say that pastrnak looked very hurt for awhile. guys get hurt. they get hurt even fi they have a better center. when a shooter cant shoot... no center can help him much.

between December 6 and dec 20 krecji had an 8 game scoring streak where he had 11 points. it was pretty good. in the 4 games before that he had 0 points and in the 2 games after he had 0 points. so he had managed points in 8 of 14 games

between December 6 and dec 20 marchand had 4 goals and 8 assists in 6 of 8 games. he had a goal and 2 assists in the 4 games before. and a very healthy 5 points in the 2 games since. so with krecji 12 points 8 games and without krecji 8 points in 6 games. pretty much know measurable improvement with krejci.

pastrnak did pretty well with krecji… from dec 5 until dec 20 he had 3 goals and 11 assists for 14 points. in the 4 games before he had 2 goals and 2 assists... in the 2 games since he has 1 goal and 2 assists

so its a bit of a myth in a way to say that marchand/pastrnak were much better with krejci. he was undoubtedly much better but did he really make the line more dominant?

pick an 8 game segment of the season with Bergeron as the center and does it measure up?

krecji is a fine second line center... and he helps us. but to try to say he HAS TO PLAY WITH MARCHAND TO BE USEFUL really sells him short. you of all people should give him more credit then that. hes a good player and hes good even when hes not with marchand.

but we don't need him riding marchands coat tailes and putting the player before the team. the team is better with Bergeron playing with marchand

All three looked pretty good actually

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

All three looked pretty good actually

I get that krejci got a 'bump' riding the coattails of the 2 best players

but really what argument is that... isn't that a total loser argument? aren't you saying the guy is crap unless we let marchand and pastrnak carry him? that is your argument right?

I mean its pretty clear the other 2 guys are good without krejci… but now you are saying he sucks without them?

its pretty clear they play great with pretty much anyone... but now you are saying the 7 million dollar player needs them to hold his hands? is that what your argument is?

to be clear... that's not my argument. he might not score 11 points on the second line but he will score more than cave. if we have a choice who makes the second line better krecji or cave??? then the answer is blatently obvious

krejci is being paid to help the team... hes not being paid to pad his stats. whether he scores 11 points in 8 games or 5 points doesn't matter if the team gets 8 points in those games instead of 12 points

the team success is what matters and krejci has a job to do like all 18 other skaters. his job is to make whoever he plays with better

marchand and pastrnak don't need him to succeed. but we have 9 other forwards that need the help. hes supposed to be helping them

honestly I don't get this argument you are putting forward here. you are saying he sucks unless he has good wingers so that means we have to focus on him and helping him???

no

we focus on helping the team and if he is being paid 7 mill that means he has a huge responsibility to be part of the solution... not a problem child we have to kiddyglove and bend over for

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

1st off, yeah...one of the 4 best players in hockey history can make bad players good. what does that have to do with this?

people constantly blame guys like Sheary and Guentzel for holding back Crosby. Not to mention those wingers are usually gone after 1 year with him because it doesnt work. Kunitz is a good player, regardless of Crosby.

or how about McDavid not being able to make Lucic score more than .25 ppg?


That Bergeron sure made stars out of Stempniak, Smith, Connolly...right?

in the lemiex argument I see you responding to here... they say rob brown was like crap that Lemieux made great??? brown still holds the whl single season scoring record. the guy wasn't crap.

moving on to your post. I don't get it. are a players scoring totals less if he doesn't have a particular linemate? sure... if that's your argument... sure

I mean dave semenko probably didn't help gretzky a lot padding his scoring title. was wayne Cashman one of the alltime scoring wizards?

not everyone has to be an offensive wizard. hockey is about scoring more goals then you allow. but if you cut down on how many you allow, that's good too. sometimes physical play is necessary or your star player will become intimidated.

putting a line together is more than just taking the 3 players with the best practice stickhandling tricks and sticking them together.

you do want a chemistry. and that chemistry is often elusive. and often coaches are mixing lines in a single period trying to find whatever chemistry is working that particular period

when us fans get into these arguments... its silly. each player has a responsibility to go out and play his game. and a coach has a responsibility to stick the players together in the right game situation to get productive results

but the players must do their best reguardless who they play with... how much they play... what time of the game they get onto the ice... how much they play.

whether the player is paid 7mill or 700k... they are expected to give the team what they got

 

[Mainehockey33]

I get that krejci got a 'bump' riding the coattails of the 2 best players

but really what argument is that... isn't that a total loser argument? aren't you saying the guy is crap unless we let marchand and pastrnak carry him? that is your argument right?

I mean its pretty clear the other 2 guys are good without krejci… but now you are saying he sucks without them?

its pretty clear they play great with pretty much anyone... but now you are saying the 7 million dollar player needs them to hold his hands? is that what your argument is?

to be clear... that's not my argument. he might not score 11 points on the second line but he will score more than cave. if we have a choice who makes the second line better krecji or cave??? then the answer is blatently obvious

krejci is being paid to help the team... hes not being paid to pad his stats. whether he scores 11 points in 8 games or 5 points doesn't matter if the team gets 8 points in those games instead of 12 points

the team success is what matters and krejci has a job to do like all 18 other skaters. his job is to make whoever he plays with better

marchand and pastrnak don't need him to succeed. but we have 9 other forwards that need the help. hes supposed to be helping them

honestly I don't get this argument you are putting forward here. you are saying he sucks unless he has good wingers so that means we have to focus on him and helping him???

no

we focus on helping the team and if he is being paid 7 mill that means he has a huge responsibility to be part of the solution... not a problem child we have to kiddyglove and bend over for

Do you think Pastrnak could produce at the level he is right now with guys like Nordstrom, Cave and Heinen? How about Marchand? Those two wingers always have either an all world center to play with or each other, so I don’t think it’s fair to compare their situation to Krejci.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

point of putting krejci on the first line is to try and get 2 lines going.
i think bergeron would be a better option at second line.

with the lack of talent we have in the top six hopefully bergeron can get more out of the other wingers.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Do you think Pastrnak could produce at the level he is right now with guys like Nordstrom, Cave and Heinen? How about Marchand? Those two wingers always have either an all world center to play with or each other, so I don’t think it’s fair to compare their situation to Krejci.

lets say alexander oveckin and nikita kucherov were on the team... and if they played with marchand and Bergeron they would score more... but then pastrnak would be suck with cave and Nordstrom

so we put marchand there and put oveckin with cave and Nordstrom? or we put kucerov with them?

why?

someone will have to play with norstrom and cave... so... why? who? when? what?

if we had someone better than pastrnak on the team... and only 2 good players to play with... why is pastrnak the only 1 that has the right to play with the 2 good players?

shoulding Ovechkin or kucherov or pastrnak be good enough to make cave and Nordstrom better?

whoever plays with cave and Nordstrom... shouldn't those guys end up better?

and whoever plays with marchand/Bergeron... shouldn't they also be better?

its NOT ABOUT THE NAME ON THE SWEATER BACK... its about the crest on the front

I expect the coach to find the line combo that makes the team have best chance of winning. I wont care if that costs some player 15% lower point total

when people criticise krecji its not because he is scoring less points with cave and Nordstrom. its because sometimes his effort sucks

sometimes

it didn't suck this month … and it didn't suck before too. sometimes it doesn't suck. when it doesn't suck we don't criticise him as much. some fans do... those are stupid fans. I cant speak for those fans. most fans criticise when his effort isn't good enough. most fans realize he doesn't have great wingers and don't expect him to lead the league in scoring. most fans just ask that he makes his best effort when we are needing him to earn his paychecks

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

point of putting krejci on the first line is to try and get 2 lines going.
i think bergeron would be a better option at second line.

with the lack of talent we have in the top six hopefully bergeron can get more out of the other wingers.

While i disagree with you on changing DK and Bergeron, atleast you are asking a centering change for the best of the Bruins not for DK emotion, happiness and stats.

Basically, you say switch DK for Bergeron to get things going on the second line (and PB still taking the hardest work d load at the same time) because you beleive Bergeron can acheive both assignment while you think DK wasn’t capable of being sucessful on one assignment.(stretching the offence).

Splitting Marchand and Pastrnak is the only way of strecthing the offence right now. Bergeron and Marchand will do the job. Pastrnak with Dk ain’t enough you seem to say. I think if they need Marchand to be added to be sucessful... Boston is in a deeper problem than i thought and it is calling Debrusk won’t answer the top 6 assignment. Then they need 2 top 6.

If stretching the offence on 2 lines ain’t good now, please explain what splitting one of NHL best line 200 feet is so good for the Bruins. If DK is as good as Bergeron on a 200 feet game, it still remains robbing Paul for Peter....otherwise you are asking Bergeron to be sucessful on 2 game facets of the gsme while you think DK wasn’t able to respond to one facet.. stretching offence.

 

[KrejciMVP]

The lengths fans go to to justify not giving Krejci talent. We really are Oakland A's of hockey. Jacob's really has made his mark over the decades

 

[DarrenBanks56]

While i disagree with you on changing DK and Bergeron, atleast you are asking a centering change for the best of the Bruins not for DK emotion, happiness and stats.

Basically, you say switch DK for Bergeron to get things going on the second line (and PB still taking the hardest work d load at the same time) because you beleive Bergeron can acheive both assignment while you think DK wasn’t capable of being sucessful on one assignment.(stretching the offence).

Splitting Marchand and Pastrnak is the only way of strecthing the offence right now. Bergeron and Marchand will do the job. Pastrnak with Dk ain’t enough you seem to say. I think if they need Marchand to be added to be sucessful... Boston is in a deeper problem than i thought and it is calling Debrusk won’t answer the top 6 assignment. Then they need 2 top 6.

If stretching the offence on 2 lines ain’t good now, please explain what splitting one of NHL best line 200 feet is so good for the Bruins. If DK is as good as Bergeron on a 200 feet game, it still remains robbing Paul for Peter....otherwise you are asking Bergeron to be sucessful on 2 game facets of the gsme while you think DK wasn’t able to respond to one facet.. stretching offence.

i actually think marshy and pssta are the two that must stay together. they are the most dynamic.

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

i actually think marshy and pssta are the two that must stay together. they are the most dynamic.

Well, if each duo of Bergeron Marchand, DK and Pastrnak ain’t capable of doing the job, well Boston is in serious problem. And if your thoughts are on not splitting 88 and 63, in what world will it make the Bruins better who ever centers them!

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

How did Marchand and Pasta do with cave on the 1st line ? Krejci cant make a line better all by himself just the same Pasta and Marchand dont make Cave a 1st line center. That's unrealistic. Is he supposed to shoot the puck to after he makes a set up for the RW?

How did Pastrnak, Marchand with Bergeron for more than a year?

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

And let's not forget that Bergeron's point totals with Marchand and without Pastrnak...

57, 64, 62, 55, 68, 53.

Pastrnak is the key to that line and is the biggest part to Bergeron and Marchand scoring jump.

Same way playing with wingers that everyone on here calls garbage, no skill, and AHLers makes Krejci look bad.

No one can make chicken salad out of chicken ****

Stats... you could atleast say that during that span he got 4 selke, got rob for atleast one, Boston win 1 cup and went in finl 1 time. That line was very good considering their assignment. Bergeron and Marchand were completed by Reechi........and whoever was available!