Value of: David Jiricek

[Donuts]

desharnais

 

[Czechboy]

blowing Jiricek out of the water

Help me understand what you mean by 'blowing out of the water'

AHL Jiricek (Drafted in 2022)

AHL Mailloux (drafted in 2021)

I am seeing the younger player has 68 points in 98 AHL games (.69ppg)
I am seeing the older player has 56 points in 76 AHL games (.73ppg)

NHL totals are 4 for Mailloux and 11 for Jiricek.
NHL GPs are 6 for Mailloux (again, drafted a year earlier than him and has a full Pro season head start) and 50 for Jircek

Is it the .ppg in the small NHL sample size that you are pointing out?

I'd say this is damn close.. closer if they were in the same draft class but they weren't. I'd lean towards the younger player who was drafted higher personally. I get your 6 month argument but that puts them pro seasons apart. One is 2021 draft prospect and the other is a 2022 draft prospect.

And no knock on Mailloux at all... I'm just not seeing a far superior player. I imagine they'll both be in the AHL soon.lol

 

[Czechboy]

Jiricek is threatening to hold out if he is so they have no choice to keep and let him get caved in the NHL.

I would love a link for this?

 

[I am Canadian]

Easton Cowan, Robertson & 2026 1st round pick (top 10 protected).

 

[stevo61]

Easton Cowan, Robertson & 2026 1st round pick (top 10 protected).

An undersized goal scorer who doesn't score goals, a decent prospect and a protected pick. Makes a lot of sense for Columbus

 

[habsfan44]

Werenski-Provorov-Christiansen-Johnson-Harris-Mateychuk is our left shot defensemen depth chart

Severson-Gudbranson-Jiricek is our right side.

Now this would be a healthy group and Provorov is being asked to play the right side next to Werenski to give them a proper top 4 and Harris-Johnson gets made into an awkward pair but as you can probably see Jiricek reaching his potential is much more important to us than a left shot defender. People are just impatient these days because more and more kids are taking NHL jobs so if anyone follows an old-school timeline (ironically like Mukhamadullin) they start to panic

What you say is true but I think the impatience is more of a fan phenomenon , G.M's as a whole , tend to hold onto their high ceiling young prospects and only trade them on the rare occasions when their hand is forced and they are left with no alternatives .

 

[stevo61]

What you say is true but I think the impatience is more of a fan phenomenon , G.M's as a whole , tend to hold onto their high ceiling young prospects and only trade them on the rare occasions when their hand is forced and they are left with no alternatives .

It could be slightly different as Jiricek isn't a Waddell pick and GMs are generally more ok with trading players they didn't draft. That said they obviously understand what a 6'4" RHD could mean to this franchise if they can bring his best out

 

[majormajor]

At least he’s not a baby about being sent down and continue to work hard while Jiricek is threatening to hold out if he is so they have no choice to keep and let him get caved in the NHL.

Jiricek is under contract and there is no hold out.

Here is Mailloux, the player you say is "blowing him out of the water in the AHL and NHL", getting caved in in the NHL. This is what getting caved in is:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1851685933248098616

Jiricek is the Blue Jacket dot on the vertical median axis in between the two Oilers. Not getting caved in. Not getting blown out of the water by Logan Mailloux.

You have established your credibility at clown level.

An undersized goal scorer who doesn't score goals, a decent prospect and a protected pick. Makes a lot of sense for Columbus

There's not much reason for Columbus to take that offer, as a developing Jiricek would be worth more to the Jackets. But FWIW I find Easton Cowen + to be a more interesting offer than everything else in this thread.

 

[I am Canadian]

An undersized goal scorer who doesn't score goals, a decent prospect and a protected pick. Makes a lot of sense for Columbus

Fair for Robertson this year so far.

OHL regular season MVP and Playoff MVP makes Cowan better than a decent prospect. You are definitely selling him short on that.

 

[stevo61]

Jiricek is under contract and there is no hold out.

Here is Mailloux, the player you say is "blowing him out of the water in the AHL and NHL", getting caved in in the NHL. This is what getting caved in is:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1851685933248098616

Jiricek is the Blue Jacket dot on the center axis in between the two Oilers. Not getting caved in. Not getting blown out of the water by Logan Mailloux.

You have established your credibility at clown level.



There's not much reason for Columbus to take that offer, as a developing Jiricek would be worth more to the Jackets. But FWIW I find Easton Cowen + to be a more interesting offer than everything else in this thread.

It's interesting but from a need standpoint is not even close to something I'd want. We have Brindley and other potential buzzsaw types in the system but as we all well know we don't have much in the way of RHD

 

[redwings86]

Purely hypothetical as Jiricek isn't really playing, what would your team offer for him?

Looking mostly at a 1 for 1 swap as Columbus does not need more quantity pieces.

Jiricek remain. Jiricek get playtime.

 

[stevo61]

Fair for Robertson this year so far.

OHL regular season MVP and Playoff MVP makes Cowan better than a decent prospect. You are definitely selling him short on that.

He's a good player but I still question how high in a lineup he ultimately plays in the NHL. He'll be effective in an energy role but I'll be interested to see how much secondary offense he'll bring in his prime.

But anyway, the point is more we have Cowan types but desperately need a Jiricek to hit because there is noone else to fill the role he has the potential to fill

 

[MNRube]

You have established your credibility at clown level.

TBF that has been established for some time already

 

[majormajor]

It's interesting but from a need standpoint is not even close to something I'd want. We have Brindley and other potential buzzsaw types in the system but as well all well know we don't have much in the way of RHD

Exactly and it goes the same for just about every reasonable return we could get. Do folks around the HF league not get that we're just not going to be interested? We have a prized RD prospect who might be top pair someday, which coincidentally is the only organizational need not covered by the current prospect pool.

 

[I am Canadian]

He's a good player but I still question how high in a lineup he ultimately plays in the NHL. He'll be effective in an energy role but I'll be interested to see how much secondary offense he'll bring in his prime.

But anyway, the point is more we have Cowan types but desperately need a Jiricek to hit because there is noone else to fill the role he has the potential to fill

For sure, I understand that. From my perspective this was with Jiricek requesting a trade. If I had Jiricek I would definitely not want to move him under any circumstance.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Jiricek is under contract and there is no hold out.

Here is Mailloux, the player you say is "blowing him out of the water in the AHL and NHL", getting caved in in the NHL. This is what getting caved in is:

https://x.com/i/web/status/1851685933248098616

Jiricek is the Blue Jacket dot on the vertical median axis in between the two Oilers. Not getting caved in. Not getting blown out of the water by Logan Mailloux.

You have established your credibility at clown level.



There's not much reason for Columbus to take that offer, as a developing Jiricek would be worth more to the Jackets. But FWIW I find Easton Cowen + to be a more interesting offer than everything else in this thread.

Never said the bolded. Also, the guy’s you’re quoting model is as good as my mom’s hockey model.

as for the holdout, you seem to have a very short memory on whether he would report to the AHL if sent there (where he should be playing)

https://x.com/i/web/status/1751680478095003882

Not ideal for his development where you can’t send him down for risk of not reporting but not good enough for the NHL yet so he sit in the press box. I’m sure every team in the league is salivating at the thought of acquiring this guy.

If you’re going to call out someone else « credibility » you might as well do some research before looking like a fool.

**Here comes the mental gymnastic on why Jiricek said this and how he doesn’t really mean it because it doesn’t fit the narrative you’ve been pushing

 

[Xirik]

Never said the bolded. Also, the guy’s you’re quoting model is as good as my mom’s hockey model.

as for the holdout, you seem to have a very short memory on whether he would report to the AHL if sent there (where he should be playing)

https://x.com/i/web/status/1751680478095003882

Not ideal for his development where you can’t send him down for risk of not reporting but not good enough for the NHL yet so he sit in the press box. I’m sure every team in the league is salivating at the thought of acquiring this guy

A player that every team in the league would want, That sounds like he has high value and only one team will be able to get him. Whoever does it going to have to be willing to give up a lot to get him.

 

[StuckOutHere]

Matt Knies.

 

[Baksfamous112]

A player that every team in the league would want, That sounds like he has high value and only one team will be able to get him. Whoever does it going to have to be willing to give up a lot to get him.

And good them. I’m getting flacks because I wouldn’t trade Mailloux for him.

I personally don’t want that kind of player around my team. I don’t like the entitled young buck who hasn’t proven he can play a role on an NHL team on a regular basis and would throw a tantrum if sent down. Especially if he did that at 19.

Not only are you stuck with a head case who can’t properly develop but also it sets a bad example for everyone else on the team.

 

[stevo61]

And good them. I’m getting flacks because I wouldn’t trade Mailloux for him.

I personally don’t want that kind of player around my team. I don’t like the entitled young buck who hasn’t proven he can play a role on an NHL team on a regular basis and would throw a tantrum if sent down. Especially if he did that at 19.

Not only are you stuck with a head case who can’t properly develop but also it sets a bad example for everyone else on the team.

And just like Mailloux's investigation everyone will forget about it before long. It's easy to get the shots in now when his play isn't up to the level we want yet but it won't last

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Not sure his value but would love him in Montreal

 

[squashmaple]

Never said the bolded. Also, the guy’s you’re quoting model is as good as my mom’s hockey model.

as for the holdout, you seem to have a very short memory on whether he would report to the AHL if sent there (where he should be playing)

https://x.com/i/web/status/1751680478095003882

Not ideal for his development where you can’t send him down for risk of not reporting but not good enough for the NHL yet so he sit in the press box. I’m sure every team in the league is salivating at the thought of acquiring this guy.

If you’re going to call out someone else « credibility » you might as well do some research before looking like a fool.

**Here comes the mental gymnastic on why Jiricek said this and how he doesn’t really mean it because it doesn’t fit the narrative you’ve been pushing

Quoting something from almost a full year ago that occurred under an entirely different GM, front office, and coaching staff is certainly some mental gymnastics. There hasn’t been a peep from the Jiricek/Walsh camp under the Waddell regime, despite him sitting eight of ten games. Which leads me to believe that there is a plan, the player and agent are on board with said plan, and the org is just loath to discuss it publicly. As the only local reporter worth paying attention to (Portzline) already kind of burned this bridge with his coverage of the situation, I’m not surprised we haven’t heard anything. Waddell and Evason haven’t given me any reason not to give them the benefit of the doubt on this so far. If pretending issues with Jarmo are still even a little bit relevant is your whole argument, you don’t have an argument. You can want Mailloux more, which is certainly your right, but you’re not correct in your reasoning.

 

[majormajor]

Never said the bolded.

This you?

Which one? Mailloux? Because Mailloux is 6 months older and blowing Jiricek out of the water in both the NHL and AHL so far.

There it is. You said it. The lowest credibility poster I've encountered in ages. You should probably avoid typing things and putting them on the internet.

Also, the guy’s you’re quoting model is as good as my mom’s hockey model.

expected goals?

 

[Baksfamous112]

Quoting something from almost a full year ago that occurred under an entirely different GM, front office, and coaching staff is certainly some mental gymnastics. There hasn’t been a peep from the Jiricek/Walsh camp under the Waddell regime, despite him sitting eight of ten games. Which leads me to believe that there is a plan, the player and agent are on board with said plan, and the org is just loath to discuss it publicly. As the only local reporter worth paying attention to (Portzline) already kind of burned this bridge with his coverage of the situation, I’m not surprised we haven’t heard anything. Waddell and Evason haven’t given me any reason not to give them the benefit of the doubt on this so far. If pretending issues with Jarmo are still even a little bit relevant is your whole argument, you don’t have an argument. You can want Mailloux more, which is certainly your right, but you’re not correct in your reasoning.

Ah yes here comes the cope. So a change of GM and coach gave Jiricek a sudden change of heart and would be open to go down in the AHL to develop more yet he’s being healthy scratched in almost 80% of the games so far for… his own development? The guy thought last year he was NHL material because others in his draft class supposedly was. He put on a tantrum and now he’s stuck in the press box more often than not eating hot-dogs instead of playing meaningful minutes in the AHL and developing his game.

If you don’t see how that’s a problem then I don’t know what is

 

[General Fanager]

Not sure his value but would love him in Montreal

Agreed but they would ask for a lot...and rightfully so.