Player Discussion David Backes

[BNHL]

Well prepare yourself because clearly Loui will outproduce Backes playing with the Sedin twins. I mean that's not even a fair comparison as Backes very possibly will have Hayes on the RW. I can see the complaining now but it's just not a fair comparison.

Backes is a solid player. I mean if Sweeney had added the Dman we all thought he would, Id have been okay with Backes if this was a 4 year deal. But the combination of the 5th year and the fact the first year+ is lost thanks to no D makes it a tough pill to swallow for me.

I truly see no gain,other than we're out of it in 5 instead of 6.

 

[DKH]

To make it more fair,I'll say Loui's production last year will be about 15 points more than Backes this year.

TSN has Vatrano & Pastrnak at 22 goals a piece and Backes at 23.

Little off my 75 total but 67 isn't bad.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I truly see no gain,other than we're out of it in 5 instead of 6.

Well, that and adding another 3 zone player that can take faceoffs, and play key minutes at the end of games...

And a physical presence that is good on the cycle and in front of the net...

And a vocal leader (something the B's have lacked in recent years)...

And a PK guy that can ease the load on 46 and 37...



I mean, other than those things, I don't see much gain either.

 

[ashnathan]

Well, that and adding another 3 zone player that can take faceoffs, and play key minutes at the end of games...

And a physical presence that is good on the cycle and in front of the net...

And a vocal leader (something the B's have lacked in recent years)...

And a PK guy that can ease the load on 46 and 37...



I mean, other than those things, I don't see much gain either.

 

[BNHL]

TSN has Vatrano & Pastrnak at 22 goals a piece and Backes at 23.

Little off my 75 total but 67 isn't bad.

As you may know,I'm not sold on Vatrano either,but if those 3 get 67,that'll be good.

 

[DKH]

Well, that and adding another 3 zone player that can take faceoffs, and play key minutes at the end of games...

And a physical presence that is good on the cycle and in front of the net...

And a vocal leader (something the B's have lacked in recent years)...

And a PK guy that can ease the load on 46 and 37...



I mean, other than those things, I don't see much gain either.

Thanks Joe. I'm taking this as an endorsement.

In the past 2 hours I've been endorsed by the Adult Entertainment Industry & John Tortarella. A childhood friend of Jimmy Vesey says he told him he will endorse me as well.

The age of Bergeron & Krejci, the inexperience of Pastrnak & Spooner, and the style Claude implements and the 'bridge' D.

Just logical and a great signing

 

[member 96824]

Well, that and adding another 3 zone player that can take faceoffs, and play key minutes at the end of games...

And a physical presence that is good on the cycle and in front of the net...

And a vocal leader (something the B's have lacked in recent years)...

And a PK guy that can ease the load on 46 and 37...



I mean, other than those things, I don't see much gain either.

Thank god you mentioned vocal leader because I honestly had no idea which player you were talking about.

Outside of that one line you described Loui Ericsson to a T.

 

[Estlin]

TSN has Vatrano & Pastrnak at 22 goals a piece and Backes at 23.

Little off my 75 total but 67 isn't bad.

Frankly, that's an optimistic scenario. I'd be surprised to see more than one of those players hit 20 this season.

Well, that and adding another 3 zone player that can take faceoffs, and play key minutes at the end of games...

And a physical presence that is good on the cycle and in front of the net...

And a vocal leader (something the B's have lacked in recent years)...

And a PK guy that can ease the load on 46 and 37...

I mean, other than those things, I don't see much gain either.

Eriksson is a three-zone player who has played key minutes at the end of games. He also excels on the PK and plays well in front of the net, often taking a beating in the process. As for being a vocal leader, where did Backes's leadership take the Blues when he played there?

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Thank god you mentioned vocal leader because I honestly had no idea which player you were talking about.

Outside of that one line you described Loui Ericsson to a T.

Really? Loui Eriksson was a physical presence? Yeah he took a pounding, but he never delivered one.

Also unsure of how many times he was relied on to win key faceoffs.

 

[DKH]

90% of this board dispised Loui now he's a star.

 

[bearcountry17]

90% of this board dispised Loui now he's a star.

Wait until he puts up 70 points with the Sedins.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

90% of this board dispised Loui now he's a star.

Makes you realize just how much we miss Michael Ryder.

 

[PB37]

Frankly, that's an optimistic scenario. I'd be surprised to see more than one of those players hit 20 this season.



Eriksson is a three-zone player who has played key minutes at the end of games. He also excels on the PK and plays well in front of the net, often taking a beating in the process. As for being a vocal leader, where did Backes's leadership take the Blues when he played there?

There's obviously more to the equation than leadership, but he is the kind of guy that helps keep a lockerroom focused, which is what the Bruins have lacked coming down the stretch.

Who knows, maybe if Backes wasn't a leader, the Blues would have been worse? I've heard and know hockey players love having a leader of men like Backes around. It's not a sure fire instant lotto ticket, but I would rather have one around then not.

 

[HumBucker]

Frankly, that's an optimistic scenario. I'd be surprised to see more than one of those players hit 20 this season.

Why is that optimistic?

Vatrano scored at a 16-goal pace last season. It's not unreasonable to think that he might improve by 4 goals.

Pasta scored 15 in 51 games. If my math is correct, that's about a 24-goal pace over 82 games.

Backes has scored 20+ for each of his last 5 full seasons.

I fail to see how anyone would be surprised to see Backes and Pasta score 20+. It seems like quite a reasonable possibility, in fact.

 

[PlayMakers]

This is like being endorsed by
Military
Police & Firefighters
Teachers
Girl Scouts
Tom Brady & Roger Goodell
Fire Sweeney
Bob McKenzie

Lol.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Wait until he puts up 70 points with the Sedins.

He can put up 100 and I could care less, good riddance . I just wish they could have at least traded him for a bag of pucks.

 

[WestCoastBruinsFan]

Wait until he puts up 70 points with the Sedins.

And still misses the playoffs.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

And still misses the playoffs.

He's excellent at that

 

[BNHL]

He's excellent at that

It's always his fault and his alone. How many times has Patrice Bergeron missed the playoffs?

 

[member 96824]

Really? Loui Eriksson was a physical presence? Yeah he took a pounding, but he never delivered one.

Also unsure of how many times he was relied on to win key faceoffs.

Loui held his own physically, played strong in front of the net and cycled well.

I wasn't the largest fan of him during his tenure here, but if there's one thing he did well, it was play a physical style game when no one else on this ****ing team would. No one screened the goalie and took a beating in front of the net more than Loui Eriksson and that includes forwards that had 30-40 pounds on him. To me, yes that is a hockey player making a physical presence on a hockey game even if it doesn't light up the jumbotron highlight video synced up to a sweet Metallica song.

Forgive me for overlooking faceoffs though, honest mistake. But I will say, If that's the only difference you can find between David Backes and Loui Eriksson, the argument is null and void, no? Do you think David Backes is going to be the faceoff man in a key situation over Patrice Bergeron? How about David Krejci? I don't and statistically he shouldn't be because on his career he's at a lower win % than both...so are faceoffs really the trump card in this situation?

None of this is to demean the impact I think David Backes will have in the short term. Always been a big fan of him as a player...but what he and Loui bring to the table are very similar, despite seeming to be different players at first glance. The conversation should start and end with Loui brings more offense(assuming he continues on with what he got back to doing last year), Backes brings more hits. The "now the Bruins have a player who can play the PK and plays a three zone game" is very little more than jersey fluffing. Loui brought nearly everything that Joe laid out on his list, which was my original point in the first place.

EDIT: I read this back to myself and swear it is not typed with the "war paint on the cheeks" tone that it seems to read as

90% of this board dispised Loui now he's a star.

I don't think that's a path that you really want to go down....

 

[EverettMike]

Lol.

Funny Bill, when you say they botched the Dougie situation he doesn't give you such high praise. Haha.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

It's always his fault and his alone. How many times has Patrice Bergeron missed the playoffs?

No, its everyone of the 100's of players he's played with. You may want to read what I said and what does Bergeron have to do with it ?

Like I said I could care less he's gone

 

[member 96824]

No, its everyone of the 100's of players he's played with. You may want to read what I said and what does Bergeron have to do with it ?

Like I said I could care less he's gone

How much less?

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Loui held his own physically, played strong in front of the net and cycled well.

I wasn't the largest fan of him during his tenure here, but if there's one thing he did well, it was play a physical style game when no one else on this ****ing team would. No one screened the goalie and took a beating in front of the net more than Loui Eriksson and that includes forwards that had 30-40 pounds on him. To me, yes that is a hockey player making a physical presence on a hockey game even if it doesn't light up the jumbotron highlight video synced up to a sweet Metallica song.

Forgive me for overlooking faceoffs though, honest mistake. But I will say, If that's the only difference you can find between David Backes and Loui Eriksson, the argument is null and void, no? Do you think David Backes is going to be the faceoff man in a key situation over Patrice Bergeron? How about David Krejci? I don't and statistically he shouldn't be because on his career he's at a lower win % than both...so are faceoffs really the trump card in this situation?

None of this is to demean the impact I think David Backes will have in the short term. Always been a big fan of him as a player...but what he and Loui bring to the table are very similar, despite seeming to be different players at first glance. The conversation should start and end with Loui brings more offense(assuming he continues on with what he got back to doing last year), Backes brings more hits. The "now the Bruins have a player who can play the PK and plays a three zone game" is very little more than jersey fluffing. Loui brought nearly everything that Joe laid out on his list, which was my original point in the first place.

EDIT: I read this back to myself and swear it is not typed with the "war paint on the cheeks" tone that it seems to read as

Come on, man. I outlined what I meant pretty clearly. And when physicality is mentioned as a difference between Eriksson and Backes, you know what's being talked about.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

How much less?

What can I say? I like what I hate , Im working on being a better fan in general