Player Discussion David Backes

[BNHL]

Would you like me to spell out in smaller wotds the obvious intent of my post? I thought i had made it pretty clear.

"The points will come and he'll end up with his usual 50ish, which he's not too far off from in regards to pacing." Haha,yes,smaller correctly spelled wotds.

 

[PlayMakers]

I have zero complaints about Backes.

Works hard, hits, makes good plays, plays both special teams and is the best net front presence on the team. On pace for 23 goals and a +18.

 

[PB37]

"The points will come and he'll end up with his usual 50ish, which he's not too far off from in regards to pacing." Haha,yes,smaller correctly spelled wotds.

Looking at points per game pace 20 games or so in is an exercise that's futile because 1 or 2 good/bad games still have a heavy influence due to the smaller sample sizes. That was my point and it looks like it's still flying right over your head. Your point was that because he's " only " on pace for 40 some odd points, he gets a below average rating, which is a pretty weak argument to be making.

 

[HiyaGeorgii]

I like Backes and what he has brought to the team so far, the fact that his signing ended the Loui nightmare is just a bonus. Backes is a solid top 6 forward on a team that is much more worried about preventing goals than scoring.

Much bigger issues on this team to worry about than David Backes. How about Krecji looking over matched in almost every game this season? How about a bottom six (besides Dominic Moore) who are pretty much space fillers? Still need a top 4 D and a top 6 forward, Backes isn't an issue.

Is this a joke?

 

[Fenian24]

Is this a joke?

No, I hated Loui Eriksson and could not be more pleased that he is gone and never to return. 3 years of soft, indifferent play and in his contract year he plays well. Even if Sweeney had used Eriksson's money on somebody besides Backes, whom I have always liked, I would consider it addition by subtraction.

 

[BNHL]

Looking at points per game pace 20 games or so in is an exercise that's futile because 1 or 2 good/bad games still have a heavy influence due to the smaller sample sizes. That was my point and it looks like it's still flying right over your head. Your point was that because he's " only " on pace for 40 some odd points, he gets a below average rating, which is a pretty weak argument to be making.

Well to replace his predecessor,he'll need to pick up the pace in a big way and I agree that 1 game can skewer the pace this early,such as his 3 point game to open. As for his leadership and hitting,blah blah blah,the team is 12-10,practically identical to last year. Thanks for the attempted condescension,so sorry you needed to do that.

 

[Pia8988]

id probably argue playoffs in the nhl now are a very competitive thing. parity was sought and achieved

the best player in the nhl Sydney Crosby often sees his team go out in the first round

our cup winning team here in boston was in overtime game 7 of the first round 1 goal away from elimination

la and Chicago have seen first round defeats in recent years... required 7 games to advance in cup years...

my feeling about 1 player being able to make a difference at playoff time unless hes a goalie... is very limited.

I look at the long draining process of the regular season for when leadership makes a differce. I look to guys who can turn around lengthy losing streaks by example... who can protect the kids development... who can make sure the team doesn't mutiny on the coach...

this is where everyone talks about leadership and character.

I mean even wayne gretzky got eliminated in the first round a few times...

almost everyone is a leader at playoff time... when we were in the playoffs we had probably 20 leaders... if you cant be a leader at playoff time something is seriously wrong with you

Sure, but my main point is how can you bash Loui as having never won anything on a team, but not in turn do the same for Backes. Seems disingenuous.

You say he lost in Dallas, Boston, and now Vancouver. But Backes has only lost in St Louis. Loui. At least has better international play.

 

[PB37]

Well to replace his predecessor,he'll need to pick up the pace in a big way and I agree that 1 game can skewer the pace this early

His predecessor is having a hard time duplicating himself.

 

[TMac21]

Giving Backes a C+ for now, was expecting a bit more. Don't think he and Krejci are a good fit.

 

[BNHL]

His predecessor is having a hard time duplicating himself.

As we learned before,he had a hard time adjusting here,so why not there? And according to Vancouver folks,the Sedins are no longer frontline players and that's the type of players he had his best seasons with. He's now playing with Granlund,and also according to Van fans,he's been their best player in 5 out of the last 6 games. At this point last year he had 19 points,I think if he was still here he'd have about 14,considering Krejci's been less than 100%.

 

[HiyaGeorgii]

Let's be honest here, Backes hasn't been much better than last years version of Matt Beleskey. If this is what you are going to get for SIX MILLION per year then we are getting minimal bang for that kinda change.

 

[PB37]

As we learned before,he had a hard time adjusting here,so why not there? And according to Vancouver folks,the Sedins are no longer frontline players and that's the type of players he had his best seasons with. He's now playing with Granlund,and also according to Van fans,he's been their best player in 5 out of the last 6 games. At this point last year he had 19 points,I think if he was still here he'd have about 14,considering Krejci's been less than 100%.

Well for one, Backes wasn't brought in to specifically duplicate Eriksson's numbers last year. He was brought in as a jack of all trades, swiss army knife veteran who can do a lot of everything well and so far, he's done that: He's 4th on the team in scoring, he's playing on special teams ( although more offensively slanted than I thought he'd be used ), second in hits and blocked shots among forwards. He's brought in on the Bergeron line in key situations holding a lead, he's out on the ice 6v5, he's our best net front presence, his teammates have saluted his skills as a natural leader.

In regards to Eriksson, some fans opinions that's he's been their best player for 5 out of their 20 some odd games doesn't mean all that much to me; in the end, he should be one of the better players on a team filled with as much suck as that squad. I appreciated Eriksson and what he can bring out on the ice but I prefer Backes' game than Eriksson.

 

[VanIsle]

Funny how both Eriksson and Backes have the same amount of goals (5), assists (4), and points (9). Both also with 2 GWG.

Backes has done it in 5 less games though.

Both 6 million dollar men.

5 goals takes 89th spot in the total NHL rankings (forwards)
4 assists takes 178th spot in the total NHL rankings (forwards)

So technically they are on the fringe for 1st liners in goals and poor in the assist department, 2nd line scoring for average.

 

[BNHL]

Funny how both Eriksson and Backes have the same amount of goals (5), assists (4), and points (9). Both also with 2 GWG.

Backes has done it in 5 less games though.

Both 6 million dollar men.

5 goals takes 89th spot in the total NHL rankings (forwards)
4 assists takes 178th spot in the total NHL rankings (forwards)

So technically they are on the fringe for 1st liners in goals and poor in the assist department, 2nd line scoring for average.

Eriksson is on the "second or third "line now. Can only speculate he would have more than 9 points if still with Krejci,but with much less hits and leadership.

 

[Alan Ryan]

I have zero complaints about Backes.

Works hard, hits, makes good plays, plays both special teams and is the best net front presence on the team. On pace for 23 goals and a +18.

Yup—nothing to complain about. Terrific addition to this team.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Sure, but my main point is how can you bash Loui as having never won anything on a team, but not in turn do the same for Backes. Seems disingenuous.

You say he lost in Dallas, Boston, and now Vancouver. But Backes has only lost in St Louis. Loui. At least has better international play.

I think when a team is slumping loui goes along for the ride. A lot of players are like that which is why slumps become contagious.

There are some players known to stand up when team is slumping. These guys might fight to spark a team's emotions... might call a players meeting... might take a teammate to the woodshop...

There are some players that everyone points to and says he taught me how to win.

Here in boston a young Patrice Bergeron was assigned to Martin lapointe. In Edmonton a young Wayne gretzky talked about lee fogolin.

Certain players breed success. The legend of Burch goring in ny. Steve yzerman...

Playoffs help the rep but guys can be great leaders even when their team loses because as I said, at playoffs most team's have many great leaders.

For years st Louis is one of the best regular season teams... year in and out their commitment to defense and team play is at the best in nil

Backes is a hard worker that thrives in regular season but he's not a great talent. He doesn't have an extra gear for playoffs because he gives top gear all year long. He's an over achiever. But other guys coast during regular season and then look better in playoffs.

To me... that's not leadership.

I like my young kids watching a guy maximize his talent even if he is less talented rather than see a great talent half assing it. This is why I was ok getting rid of Kessel and Thornton and Seguin

I know other people love talent but I want talent that works hard

 

[DKH]

I have zero complaints about Backes.

Works hard, hits, makes good plays, plays both special teams and is the best net front presence on the team. On pace for 23 goals and a +18.

I haven't been around here to negative but checking to see any info on the rumors been hearing and if made it to here

That said Bruins followers really complaining about Backes?

****ing embarrassing- time to vacate till they win again (80% of the board I notice vanishes when they win) it's like the only time you get good talk is when they win

 

[DKH]

Eriksson is on the "second or third "line now. Can only speculate he would have more than 9 points if still with Krejci,but with much less hits and leadership.

I would have signed Loui 4/24 but that looks like a bad move

Wanted to give Dougie 6/33 and Loui 4/24 and draft Connor and Barzal

What was I thinking ?

In Don I trust

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I haven't been around here to negative but checking to see any info on the rumors been hearing and if made it to here

That said Bruins followers really complaining about Backes?

****ing embarrassing- time to vacate till they win again (80% of the board I notice vanishes when they win) it's like the only time you get good talk is when they win

Must be hurting their fantasy teams.

 

[Number8]

I don't know exactly what surgery Backes had --- but at minimum he had his bursa sac drained. I had that......... didn't want to lean on kitchen counter for a month. Let alone play hockey. Waaaaaay too soon to be groaning about him.

 

[PlayMakers]

I would have signed Loui 4/24 but that looks like a bad move

Wanted to give Dougie 6/33 and Loui 4/24 and draft Connor and Barzal

What was I thinking ?

In Don I trust

Fwiw, I would not have signed Loui. To any contract. Wasn't a fan and felt like he contract year'd us.

But I would have signed Dougie, and would still take him back.

I also liked Connor and Barzal and while I like the guys we got, I think I'd still prefer them. That said, I don't really second guess draft picks. The draft is a lot more chance than science.

 

[BNHL]

I would have signed Loui 4/24 but that looks like a bad move

Wanted to give Dougie 6/33 and Loui 4/24 and draft Connor and Barzal

What was I thinking ?

In Don I trust

Well if Loui was here,I'm saying he'd have more than 9 points for starters. But I also would not have gone more than 4 for Loui or 3 for Backes for that money. I'm fine with Dougie being gone and had no opinion on the draft,other than I wish we had gotten Arizona's pick.

 

[Estlin]

Hasnt a Backes led team been constant under achievers? Before last season St Louis made it out of the first round once.

You attack Loui and say his teams never won, but what has Backes won?

I don't understand this, either. Backes's alleged leadership got St. Louis nowhere.

Well if Loui was here,I'm saying he'd have more than 9 points for starters. But I also would not have gone more than 4 for Loui or 3 for Backes for that money. I'm fine with Dougie being gone and had no opinion on the draft,other than I wish we had gotten Arizona's pick.

I think so, too. He and Krejci worked well together. I'd rather have Eriksson than Backes on a $6 million-per-year contract.

 

[Cronuss]

Funny how both Eriksson and Backes have the same amount of goals (5), assists (4), and points (9). Both also with 2 GWG.

Backes has done it in 5 less games though.

Both 6 million dollar men.

5 goals takes 89th spot in the total NHL rankings (forwards)
4 assists takes 178th spot in the total NHL rankings (forwards)

So technically they are on the fringe for 1st liners in goals and poor in the assist department, 2nd line scoring for average.

Not to mention what Backes brings to the locker room/team chemistry, and the physicality.

Also, Krejci has largely been a black hole so far this year...

 

[Pia8988]

Not to mention what Backes brings to the locker room/team chemistry, and the physicality.

Also, Krejci has largely been a black hole so far this year...

3rd in points black hole

I don't understand this, either. Backes's alleged leadership got St. Louis nowhere.



I think so, too. He and Krejci worked well together. I'd rather have Eriksson than Backes on a $6 million-per-year contract.

Seems people just love his style. He's a "Bruin" so he gets a pass. Loui is just some soft Euro who won't pick his team up despite leading his team in points for the final stretch run. If only he grabbed someone and yelled in their face, or hit someone hard. Simple fact is if Loui is a perennial loser, Backes is just as much one if not more-so.


That said, I don't give Loui 6 years, and have been okay with Backes. I think he needs to be better for this team, but there are a lot of players that need to be better.

I kind of glossed over the part as well about Crosby, Chicago, and LA also losing in first rounds, which they have. But they all also have multiple cups, something a Backes led team has even gotten close to.